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SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

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Moonbeam said:
It seems to me that establishment Democrats are terrified of appearing too radical. This means that every time they get a chance to do something the majority of Americans want they shoot themselves in the back to prove to the minority how moderate they are. Now we have not only a Supreme court that will take down R v W, but an Attorney General with milk toast for balls, a 6 3 Supreme court, and two Democratic Senators who will block the any possibility of fixing the filibuster with no guarantee that is they did fix it it would make any difference. Republicans may be utterly morally bankrupt and hideous but Democrats are sickening.
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No. Americans are sickening for continually voting the GOP into power. Period. Now it is too late. People are waking up only to find the system is so rigged against them that it doesn't matter.
 
HomerJS said:
Think of the dichotomy pro lifers protect that fetus until born.
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Not me, or many Pro-Life Catholics I know. We are in favor, especially with the poor, of giving every possible chance to raise children - not just give birth to them.
That said, many of the practicing Catholics I know are kinda going over the deep end, IMHO. I know why, but it's off topic right now.
 
dank69 said:
No. Americans are sickening for continually voting the GOP into power. Period. Now it is too late. People are waking up only to find the system is so rigged against them that it doesn't matter.
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You cant fault man for being manipulated by a master manipulator and the powers behind Fox and kin IS master manipulators.
Is it unfortunate? Yea. Is it their own fault? mmmmmayhaps?
 
KMFJD said:
I'm gonna lay some of the blame on RBG for not retiring sometime during Obama's presidency
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It might not have made a difference. Remember that the Gorsuch appointment should have been Merrick Garland, until Bitch McConnell and the senate GOP obstructed the pick until the darkie was out of office (10 months later).

They of course had no qualms approving Barrett with 46 days left in Trump's term. Prime GOP hypocrisy on display, as usual. 🙄
 
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Pohemi420 said:
It might not have made a difference. Remember that the Gorsuch appointment should have been Merrick Garland, until Bitch McConnell and the senate GOP obstructed the pick until the darkie was out of office (10 months later).

They of course had no qualms approving Barrett with 46 days left in Trump's term. Prime GOP hypocrisy on display, as usual. 🙄
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Yeah but the swing would be Roberts right now would doesn't seem like he wants to change things. Lots of blame to go around. The lady had pancreatic cancer and decided to hold on to power. Now her legacy is being gutted. Same will probably happen with Breyer. He has less than a year to retire before the next midterms and no indications are present he will.
 
Sunburn74 said:
Yeah but the swing would be Roberts right now would doesn't seem like he wants to change things. Lots of blame to go around. The lady had pancreatic cancer and decided to hold on to power. Now her legacy is being gutted. Same will probably happen with Breyer. He has less than a year to retire before the next midterms and no indications are present he will.
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Yep. Unless Dems hold the white house in 24, it's unlikely Breyers position will go to a liberal judge. Even then.
 
dank69 said:
No. Americans are sickening for continually voting the GOP into power. Period. Now it is too late. People are waking up only to find the system is so rigged against them that it doesn't matter.
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Why wouldn't they vote them in? They do exactly what they say they are going to do. They deliver, 'buckets and buckets of stick it to the other side shit' Democrats promise, yap, and fail to act on anything. And where not so true, when we get some crumbs, those facts get buried by the other side.
 
MrSquished said:
The fact that three judges on the SC were selected by a group (Heritage Foundation) that cares more about conservatives being in power than democratic rule and then nominated by a guy that tried to overthrow our democracy is insane.
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FTFY
 
TheVrolok said:
Yep. Unless Dems hold the white house in 24, it's unlikely Breyers position will go to a liberal judge. Even then.
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*snort*

If the Rs take the Senate in 22 McConnell is going to hold the seat open till doomsday waiting for an R president to fill it. Multiple Senate Republicans explicitly said they would do exactly this in 2016 if Hillary won.
 
K1052 said:
*snort*

If the Rs take the Senate in 22 McConnell is going to hold the seat open till doomsday waiting for an R president to fill it. Multiple Senate Republicans explicitly said they would do exactly this in 2016 if Hillary won.
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I do believe that would likely be the case, at least that they'd try. Republicans have learned well that the "wait it out, pack the judiciary, and then let them legislate from the bench" is tried and true.
 
TheVrolok said:
I do believe that would likely be the case, at least that they'd try. Republicans have learned well that the "wait it out, pack the judiciary, and then let them legislate from the bench" is tried and true.
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Republicans: The size of the Supreme Court is sacrosanct.

Also Republicans: We will not confirm Supreme Court justices for Democratic presidents because that is bad for us.
 
Ajay said:
Not me, or many Pro-Life Catholics I know. We are in favor, especially with the poor, of giving every possible chance to raise children - not just give birth to them.
That said, many of the practicing Catholics I know are kinda going over the deep end, IMHO. I know why, but it's off topic right now.
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Last night I watched part one of a (debate-conversation) between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris with Bret Weinstein moderating:


The debate included the notion of the dangers of dogma and religious dogma etc. In part one I noted a rather striking commonality of opinion between the two as to point of view with one one major bone of contention to my understanding coming down to if there is any escape from the dogma prison. Harris sees the way out as reliance on simple intuitive fact, like that the worst situation we could ever find ourselves in and everyone else is bad and a life more free of misery is better, and this is fact, whereas Peterson sees that intuition not as fact but a moral judgment and that moral judgment is possible in the dogmatic Christian community based on the overriding notion in Christianity of the WORD, the speaking of truth as the highest moral principle. Truth transcends dogma because the rules of dogma are a hierarchical structure, their universality based on time and place and context with the truth.

The way I see your Christianity is that you fall on the less dogma constrained side of religious spectrum which will make you unpopular with everybody, generally but loved my me in particular. 🙂

You may enjoy the debate. I may watch part two tonight God willing and the cows don't escape.
 
Ajay said:
Not me, or many Pro-Life Catholics I know. We are in favor, especially with the poor, of giving every possible chance to raise children - not just give birth to them.
That said, many of the practicing Catholics I know are kinda going over the deep end, IMHO. I know why, but it's off topic right now.
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I'm more in favor of no one but the woman having a right to her own person. I mean sure, if we're going to do this then why not allow rape but counsel them afterwards to be kind?

If you take away this right, for any reason you have made up that absolutely does not exist in reality, and absolutely not in the Bible where it's thoroughly explained that life begins with the first breath, then women are now forced against their will to give up the right to their own body.
 
MichaelMay said:
I'm more in favor of no one but the woman having a right to her own person. I mean sure, if we're going to do this then why not allow rape but counsel them afterwards to be kind?

If you take away this right, for any reason you have made up that absolutely does not exist in reality, and absolutely not in the Bible where it's thoroughly explained that life begins with the first breath, then women are now forced against their will to give up the right to their own body.
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When do religious people think women have ownership of their bodies when pregnant, or they lose all rights to their body the moment conception occurs?
 
MrSquished said:
When do religious people think women have ownership of their bodies when pregnant, or they lose all rights to their body the moment conception occurs?
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I don't think they consider them to have any rights what so ever pregnant or not. Literally every verse restricting how women may act, what positions they may have or when they may speak go "because Eve" at some point.

That fucking creation story the Catlicks don't even believe in is still the main reason for their opposition to women having any rights.
 
Moonbeam said:
Why wouldn't they vote them in? They do exactly what they say they are going to do. They deliver, 'buckets and buckets of stick it to the other side shit' Democrats promise, yap, and fail to act on anything. And where not so true, when we get some crumbs, those facts get buried by the other side.
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Yet they don't see that Democrats have not been given the power to do anything for the last 40 years. Something that is plain as day. Anyone complaining that Democrats haven't done enough can go fuck the same goat as conservatives and "independents."
 
dank69 said:
Yet they don't see that Democrats have not been given the power to do anything for the last 40 years. Something that is plain as day. Anyone complaining that Democrats haven't done enough can go fuck the same goat as conservatives and "independents."
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Mulla Nasridin was sitting in a train station one day when a boy ran by and knocked off his hat. people turned to him and said, why don't you do something about that spoild brat kid. The Mulla replied that things weren't working out that way. Some time later the group was joined by a soldier waiting for the train and the boy ran up and knocked his hat off. The soldier jumped up and shot him.
 
Moonbeam said:
Mulla Nasridin was sitting in a train station one day when a boy ran by and knocked off his hat. people turned to him and said, why don't you do something about that spoild brat kid. The Mulla replied that things weren't working out that way. Some time later the group was joined by a soldier waiting for the train and the boy ran up and knocked his hat off. The soldier jumped up and shot him.
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How about you just say whatever you think you are saying here.
 
Sunburn74 said:
Yeah but the swing would be Roberts right now would doesn't seem like he wants to change things. Lots of blame to go around. The lady had pancreatic cancer and decided to hold on to power. Now her legacy is being gutted. Same will probably happen with Breyer. He has less than a year to retire before the next midterms and no indications are present he will.
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Breyer not retiring this summer is just the ultimate show of liberal unilateral disarmament. If he doesn't retire before the mid terms, we will end up with a 7-2 court and we'll be royally fucked.
 
dank69 said:
How about you just say whatever you think you are saying here.
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I have little idea why I said what I said. It was what came to mind immediately on reading your post. Since I said it to you maybe you can tell me what it meant if anything. Perhaps, thinking about it a bit, we won't know till the soldier arrives for his train.
 
Well, If the supreme court is deemed too far right radical after this decision and thus next allowing the threatening of additional settled law such as gay marriage, which I think will definitely happen, in that case the idea of expanding the court to 12 justices or even 16 will be totally justified and an urgent necessity by Joe Biden and democrats.

I mean.... either THAT, or the high court losing any and all credibility. We can not have an US supreme court that only panders to the radical far right agenda with complete disregard for settled law from previous US supreme courts. I see expansion as the only solution if America wants to keep her supreme court in any form.

But look at the bigger picture before us. Republicans in congress, in particular Mitch McConnell, have already perverted the entire system and especially the US constitution with blocking Obama from his constitutional right as president to install his own nominated justice. So technically and realistically, to expand the high court would do no more damage than has already been done by this republican congress.
 
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