SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

[kage69]

What's Biden have to do with it? He has no power over the SC.

For starters, he could have treated the GQP take over of the court for what it is, got behind an actual bill to balance the court instead of just a commission that he really didn't give a shit about.

As PoTUS, you have lots of options to influence people and make things happen, by carrot or by stick. With the widespread outrage we saw over Boof Kavanaugh and Aunt Lydia Barret being deposited on the court, he had some momentum to work with. He did say he didn't like the idea upfront, I just strongly disagree with his take on it. I get the thin majority worry, but to just write off everything that McConnell did. Ugh. Too late now, and I doubt these religious fascists will care about what removing Roe v Wade will mean for gun rights or vaccination mandates. Like they give a shit about precedent or feel any shame over ridiculous double standards. We're talking about the crowd who went frothy over mask mandates with the phrase "My Body, my choice" without a shred of irony but plenty of mockery.

I hope the people saying They Won't are right, I just don't think they are.

 

[ivwshane]

Having listened to some the justice’s responses and questions, if I were to guess how this would turn out it would be a 5/4 decision in favor of keeping the Mississippi law. The decision would state that abortion should be legal but restrictions are allowed. Currently women can have abortions at 21.5 weeks, this decision will bring that down to 15 weeks.

The majority will cite the history of the courts overturning bad decisions in the past, they will also cite states rights, and finally the ability to prevent pregnancies with contraception that’s cheaper than an abortion.

Listening to some of these justices was like listening to Ben Shapiro in a debate, they repeatedly tried to reframe the issue and justify breaking precedent and for the first time, taking away rights that have already been given.

The good news is that if the above happens, it will open up plenty options to effectively ban guns and cite the very flawed logic these justices used to essentially over turn roe.

 

[feralkid]

I still maintain that this is a political gift, for motivating more Dems to get their asses to the polls.

God, I hope you're right.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The good news is that if the above happens, it will open up plenty options to effectively ban guns and cite the very flawed logic these justices used to essentially over turn roe.

Oh yeah Barrett, Uncle Thomas, Captain Sexual Assault, Alito, and Gorsucks will definitely adhere to precedent then.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh yeah Barrett, Uncle Thomas, Captain Sexual Assault, Alito, and Gorsucks will definitely adhere to precedent then.

Lol of course they won’t but their hypocrisy will be shown and their legacy of partisan judges will be sewed.

 

[kage69]

Lol of course they won’t but their hypocrisy will be shown and their legacy of partisan judges will be sewed.

I don't think millions of American women who did vote but not for this will take a lot of comfort in that, particulary with these kinds of decisions lasting for generations. I would have liked to have seen more of fight really, though I concede it's harder when you're dealing with slim majorities and up against team sports fans who put party ahead of country.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

This is about where I'm at with this whole shebang. Sounds like this will overturn RvW at the state level.

As a Californian, again, I'll be fine. Red states can dilute their political power by adding a bunch of unwanted, sometimes broken kids to their populations.

 

[trenchfoot]

Lol of course they won’t but their hypocrisy will be shown and their legacy of partisan judges will be sewed.

The really sad part of all of their hypocrisy is they really wouldn't care, just as McConnell repeatedly shows he could give a rat's ass how his being the King Hypocrite of the Party of Hypocrites is of no concern to him and of no concern to all of those folks who vote for these morally and ethically barren power mongers.

 

[Zorba]

The good news is that if the above happens, it will open up plenty options to effectively ban guns and cite the very flawed logic these justices used to essentially over turn roe.

They literally do not care about being consistency.

 

[Saylick]

The more and more I see shit like this happen, the more I wish we could just magically gather all of the GOP, along with their politicians, onto an isolated piece of land and let them run their own government so that it doesn't impact everyone else. More importantly, I would prefer that the politicians, Mitch McConnell and his ilk, including DJT, be forced to live there as well. I want to see them smell their own excrement, with none of that whole "I'm gonna take my wealth and live on a private island away from my constituents" bullcrap. I want to see this Trumplandia country implode by their own backwards ass laws and to see pitchforks and torches of crowds marching up to their politicians' estates. I'm tired of seeing corrupt politicians being able to insulate themselves from the consequences of their actions by deflecting or being able to convince their base that their problems are caused by some out group. If only they could be gathered up and have no one else to blame but themselves, that they'd see the folly of their actions. I hate to say it but I think we're approaching a point where we have two main groups of people with completely different lifestyle choices that are inherently incompatible. I'm down to let conservative states do their own thing, but only if it meant their politicians can't just use their wealth to skirt their own backwards ass laws (e.g. banning abortion in their own state but having the money to get abortions for themselves by traveling to another state) AND only if they didn't receive more federal handouts than their own tax revenues generated.

 

[gothuevos]

Lol of course they won’t but their hypocrisy will be shown and their legacy of partisan judges will be sewed.

So..."moral" victories while they continue to interpret laws as they see fit?

 

[sportage]

Well hold on here....
Let us ask, WHAT WOULD TRUMP DO???
What would Trump do, what would the trumpies do if things were reversed?
Say that this court was poised to reverse Roe vs Wade as they are, but lets say that trump and his trumpies wanted things to remain the same with no change to abortion laws?
Well in that case we know exactly what trump would do and exactly how his followers would react if the court ruled against their wishes, they would simply ignore the courts ruling. End of story.

They would defy the law and get their abortion despite of the law and despite of the court and despite any court decision. Ignore it just as if it never happened. Then, when challenged by enforcement, pro choice-ers should simply fight back. Attacking violently, if necessary, those who would dare threaten your quest for an abortion. Kind of like a mini insurrection. The bottom line, women's rights could still end up getting their abortions however only after a complete disregard for the law and for those enforcing the law. And that is what trump would do. What the trumpies would do.
Remember.... Personal freedoms and all that. No one will dictate to me what I do with my body, and all that. Burn down the system when you disagree with that system, and all that.

And so, when trumps court overturns settled law come next June, all that the pro choice folks need to do is just ignore it. Go out and get their abortions just as before and by whatever means safely available, ignoring enforcement. And if necessary cause violence against anyone challenging your personal freedoms, desires, and beliefs. Damn the law, damn the courts, and damn to what those hypocritical conservative righties demand that you do with your own body.

So, where have we heard this personal freedoms, personal rights, it's my body to do with what I chose to do... thing before? Where have we heard that? Oh I know, we hear it at every trump rally, on every Q blog, on every fox news program, and from every trumpie supreme court justice that trump put on that high court. And you probably have also heard this from every republican serving in congress. Just ask Mitch McConnell about that.... when President Obama had every constitutional right and every legal right to chose one if those trumpie supreme court justices himself, yet law nor courts nor the constitution meant diddly squat to Mitch McConnell nor Donald Trump.
Pro choice-ers out there, just ignore the trump court regardless of how they rule Come June. Remember, in todays world that is the thing to do.

 

[Meghan54]

Interestingly, there was study-of-studies highlighted in the Economist this week, highlighting that Ivermectin may reduce risk of death from COVID in regions where there is a very high prevalence of worms in humans. (but has no measurable benefit otherwise)

Indirectly implying that worms may be a comorbidity for COVID that can be significantly reduced by treating the worms, although that was not directly studied.

But should the worms instead be protected from harm? Stop murdering the worms! Ban Ivermectin! Just adopt them instead.

Why do you think treating an internal parasite that saps nutrients, calories, and damned near everything the body uses/produces might help in treating COVID?

 

[Sonikku]

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-Kavanaugh is saying that some of the Supreme Court's most celebrated decisions overruled precedent, and overruling Roe and Casey will deserve celebration because it restores the court's "neutrality" and returns the abortion debate to the states and Congress.

-The case is submitted. The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Half the states will have complete or near-total bans on abortion within six months

looks like states will be able to ban it

I think at this rate that's the best case scenario...

 

[conehead433]

JFC why has there not already been a federal law passed to protect women's rights to get an abortion?
Edit: In answer to my own question, I guess no one ever felt it was needed, until now.

 

[TheVrolok]

The fact that three judges on the SC were selected by a guy that tried to overthrow our democracy is insane.

I mean it's so absolutely insane I don't even know what to say. We are heading to some really really dark times. I worry for my kids (although they're rich and white looking even though they're half Latin).

 

[TheVrolok]

The main issue with all that is that SCOTUS has taken over as a sort of super legislature so whatever laws the Democrats pass will likely be struck down by ever more inventive constitutional interpretations. This is why we need to use that majority to pack the court and reign in the out of control court.

Dems need to start playing the game that Republicans have been winning for decades. The door is rapidly closing.

 

[TheVrolok]

Lol of course they won’t but their hypocrisy will be shown and their legacy of partisan judges will be sewed.

... so?

 

[Zorba]

JFC why has there not already been a federal law passed to protect women's rights to get an abortion?
Edit: In answer to my own question, I guess no one ever felt it was needed, until now.

Because people won't vote for someone for being pro-choice, but will vote against them for being pro-choice. So politicians tend to be right if center on abortion rights.

 

[kage69]

Gosh but adoption sure seems to be coming up a lot. Aunt Lydia Barret has her marching orders apparently.

Susan Collins has no comment on Kavanaugh's precedent comments, shocker. My god what a moron. May the women of New England hound that short sighted tool right out of office.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So when we lose the right to bodily autonomy, can we proceed to sterilize anyone we want?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Gosh but adoption sure seems to be coming up a lot. Aunt Lydia Barret has her marching orders apparently.

Susan Collins has no comment on Kavanaugh's precedent comments, shocker. My god what a moron. May the women of New England hound that short sighted tool right out of office.

Maine is like new England's Florida

 

[Paratus]

So when we lose the right to bodily autonomy, can we proceed to sterilize anyone we want?

I’ve said it before, if the state can make incubators out of women they can forcibly sterilize men.

It would be an interest of the state for men to have skin in the game and reduce the amount of women’s liberty the state is forced to take. So allow any woman who didn’t want to be pregnant for any reason to file charges against the father.

Simple DNA test would confirm him as the father, arrest and imprison him until the prison surgeon can perform a vasectomy, then fine for the cost of the surgery and prison stay.

Unintended pregnancies will drop like a rock after all the careless men are forcibly sterilized by the state.

 

[brycejones]

I’ve said it before, if the state can make incubators out of women they can forcibly sterilize men.

It would be an interest of the state for men to have skin in the game and reduce the amount of women’s liberty the state is forced to take. So allow any woman who didn’t want to be pregnant for any reason to file charges against the father.

Simple DNA test would confirm him as the father, arrest and imprison him until the prison surgeon can perform a vasectomy, then fine for the cost of the surgery and prison stay.

Unintended pregnancies will drop like a rock after all the careless men are forcibly sterilized by the state.

But it's the ebil womins who schemed to trap the man and steal his seed.

 

[dank69]

JFC why has there not already been a federal law passed to protect women's rights to get an abortion?
Edit: In answer to my own question, I guess no one ever felt it was needed, until now.

Americans have not given Democrats enough power long enough to enact much of anything in my lifetime. They barely had enough power during a brief window to pass the ACA and had to water it down in order to pass it.