SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

hal2kilo

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Wow, Soto is coming out punching. You go girl. She brought out the 800 lb gorilla (politization of SCOTUS picks) right off the bat.
 

tweaker2

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CJ Roberts legacy is smack dab on the line here. I suspect he doesn't want his legacy to be smeared and tainted by McConnell and the Heritage Foundation's sordid engineering of the last two court picks.

So it seems to me the battle lines have been drawn over what Roberts wants his historical record to look like vs. what the powers that be behind the Repub's efforts at minority party control over the nation want for their monies and influence spent.

It seems to me the Repubs can win a battle here while losing the war on who ultimately gets to control the gov't for quite some time to come.
 
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K1052

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Listening to Kav it seems like as long as the constitution doesn't explicitly say anything in its text about specific rights then states can do whatever they want. This portends poorly for lots of things.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Listening to Kav it seems like as long as the constitution doesn't explicitly say anything in its text about specific rights then states can do whatever they want. This portends poorly for lots of things.
Just like boofing, if the text don't say it, it didn't happen!
 

K1052

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Got to say that the new conservatives on the court appear less concerned with preserving the court's appearance of neutrality than I expected despite using the word a lot. Figured they'd make it appear more anguished and thoughtful but nope. Seem slike a slam dunk for overturning.

Given Kavanaugh's reasoning stuff like Obergefell certainly appears quite vulnerable.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Got to say that the new conservatives on the court appear less concerned with preserving the court's appearance of neutrality than I expected despite using the word a lot. Figured they'd make it appear more anguished and thoughtful but nope. Seem slike a slam dunk for overturning.

Given Kavanaugh's reasoning stuff like Obergefell certainly appears quite vulnerable.
I really appreciated the argument of 'well that stuff happened a long time ago, can you tell us why we shouldn't just overturn it outright?'
 

KMFJD

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-Kavanaugh is saying that some of the Supreme Court's most celebrated decisions overruled precedent, and overruling Roe and Casey will deserve celebration because it restores the court's "neutrality" and returns the abortion debate to the states and Congress.

-The case is submitted. The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Half the states will have complete or near-total bans on abortion within six months

looks like states will be able to ban it
 
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-Kavanaugh is saying that some of the Supreme Court's most celebrated decisions overruled precedent, and overruling Roe and Casey will deserve celebration because it restores the court's "neutrality" and returns the abortion debate to the states and Congress.

-The case is submitted. The Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Half the states will have complete or near-total bans on abortion within six months

looks like states will be able to ban it
Maybe it will wake women up in the shithole states to what Republicans are really all about? Hopefully they will vote them out next time to overturn the bans?
 
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hal2kilo

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I still maintain that this is a political gift, for motivating more Dems to get their asses to the polls.
 
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MrSquished

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I was listening to some of the hearing driving to and from a couple of appointments. The conservative justices are intellectually bankrupt. They will use logic to overturn Roe V Wade but then use that same logic to uphold other rulings they agree with. It's all a game to them with women's lives and human rights.
 

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I was listening to some of the hearing driving to and from a couple of appointments. The conservative justices are intellectually bankrupt. They will use logic to overturn Roe V Wade but then use that same logic to uphold other rulings they agree with. It's all a game to them with women's lives and human rights.
It was obvious this was going to happen when they endorsed Texas' ridiculous abortion law.
 

HomerJS

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The current age of viability is 24 weeks. The record for youngest age for survival is 21 weeks.

Would a good solution be lower the age to 21 weeks?

Let advancements in science take care of the problem.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The current age of viability is 24 weeks. The record for youngest age for survival is 21 weeks.

Would a good solution be lower the age to 21 weeks?

Let advancements in science take care of the problem.
Pretty sure even 16 weeks was being floated as reasonable by the presenter, but that just won't be considered oppressive enough.
 
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The current age of viability is 24 weeks. The record for youngest age for survival is 21 weeks.

Would a good solution be lower the age to 21 weeks?

Let advancements in science take care of the problem.
How about we tell anti-choicers to pound sand and stop letting them move goal posts on us.

Few abortions take place late in pregnancy, and those that do are often due to fetal anomolies that are severe or fatal, or to protect a pregnant person's health (such as from a miscarriage late in pregnancy).
 

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My wife is dealing with a patient that managed to have an ectopic pregnancy where the embryo is trying to attach to the woman's liver. Doctors were thinking she had a greater than 50% chance of death. There's zero viability for the fetus to survive. She had two other kids. If she lived in a Sharia Christian State she could be dead with two kids with no mother.

I know this is a wildly rare case, but this shit happens and there needs to be reasonable discussion around it. But there's no reasonable discussion with Christian Sharia draconian policy.
 

K1052

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Next up is probably criminal prosecution of those that seek or procure abortions and anybody that knows/assists. Going to see some real loony stuff happen.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Next up is probably criminal prosecution of those that seek or procure abortions and anybody that knows/assists. Going to see some real loony stuff happen.
If we follow voting restriction logic, maybe we can make it illegal to provide water to doctors performing abortions.
 
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Next up is probably criminal prosecution of those that seek or procure abortions and anybody that knows/assists. Going to see some real loony stuff happen.
I hate playing the tit for tat war, but Boof said it himself in regards to Texas's implementation...what if people apply the same vigilante laws to guns? I say fuck it. Put it to the test liberals. Pass the same gun laws and start suing people for gun related things. I hate this is where we are but sometimes maybe smearing peoples faces in their own shitty policy is what is required to get them to understand.
 

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