SCOTUS hearing on Roe V Wade

[Paratus]

Yes, nearly all.

As I understand it too. Of course if they need an abortion after 15 weeks it’s generally due to health related problems or problems accessing healthcare.

The Texas 6 week abortion ban not so much however.

Saw a write up that said If a woman was immediately concerned after the first missed period and everything lined up right she’d have maybe 3 days to get an abortion.

 

[ElFenix]

These are the same states that teachers had to go on strike to get republican to actually provide school funding, then immediately voted republican in the next election.

They hate democrats more than they care about themselves and their rights.

The largest voter turnouts in this country's history have come when hatred for the other party was at its highest. Republicans remembered that lesson starting in the early 90s.

 

[Zorba]

There's some that think he should try and expand the court. The problem for Dems is that they want to fight with paper straws when their opponents are bringing AR-15's. I'm convinced there is no bottom to the depravity of the GOP at this point.

Yeah, and we should expand the courts. However, he has no avenue to accomplish that at the moment.

 

[MrSquished]

The fact that three judges on the SC were selected by a guy that tried to overthrow our democracy is insane.

 

[ElFenix]

The fact that three judges on the SC were selected by a guy that tried to overthrow our democracy is insane.

where is the rage +1 reaction when you need it

 

[HomerJS]

I'm actually hoping SCOTUS overturns RvW. The ensuing tidal wave will sweep at least 1/4 of those deplorables out to sea.

Take the new filibuster proof majority and take a hatchet to all the laws that need enacting including the codification of RvW into law.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm actually hoping SCOTUS overturns RvW. The ensuing tidal wave will sweep at least 1/4 of those deplorables out to sea.

Take the new filibuster proof majority and take a hatchet to all the laws that need enacting including the codification of RvW into law.

The main issue with all that is that SCOTUS has taken over as a sort of super legislature so whatever laws the Democrats pass will likely be struck down by ever more inventive constitutional interpretations. This is why we need to use that majority to pack the court and reign in the out of control court.

 

[vi edit]

I'm actually hoping SCOTUS overturns RvW. The ensuing tidal wave will sweep at least 1/4 of those deplorables out to sea.

Take the new filibuster proof majority and take a hatchet to all the laws that need enacting including the codification of RvW into law.

I don't think that actually will work that way. Republicans have far too much of a map and local advantage. They have destroyed state democracies to the point where it's an absolute minority rule. The only hopes Dems have is single issue voting things like this end up being a non-issue and the base is less motivated to turn up. Then Dems can claw back a few points they need that way. I really don't see it creating some new wave of voters that we haven't seen yet.

 

[ElFenix]

Of course if they need an abortion after 15 weeks it’s generally due to health related problems or problems accessing healthcare.

there's financial implications too. as we heard this morning, abortions aren't cheap. $600 + other fees and expenses. ~40% of the country can't handle a several hundred dollar expense out of the blue. i'm going to posit that women most likely to have abortions (afaik generally younger and poorer) heavily fall into that percent. and younger women are also less likely to realize they may be pregnant until they're deeper into a missed cycle.

so, there's lead time to realize that a person is pregnant, there's lead time to then save money, there's also arranging one's schedule to get off work, travel to provider, more time for any waiting periods and procedural hurdles that states have already implemented, etc. and that's assuming a pregnant person immediately decides they're going to have an abortion.

now, most abortion happen by the 21st week. abortions after that are generally due to complications. no idea how many abortions happen between 15 and 21 weeks. but for those that happen toward the end of that period, moving to 15 might cut the maximum lead time in half for a lot of women.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm actually hoping SCOTUS overturns RvW. The ensuing tidal wave will sweep at least 1/4 of those deplorables out to sea.

Take the new filibuster proof majority and take a hatchet to all the laws that need enacting including the codification of RvW into law.

Could very well happen, I think

 

[Juiblex]

They are not going to overturn RvW... John Roberts allowed Obamacare to happen. He seems to vote liberal in many of the cases. Most conservatives don't trust him at all. Thomas is the only one who seems to be a conservative.

 

[fskimospy]

They are not going to overturn RvW... John Roberts allowed Obamacare to happen. He seems to vote liberal in many of the cases. Most conservatives don't trust him at all. Thomas is the only one who seems to be a conservative.

I doubt they will explicitly overturn it as they are afraid of the backlash from invalidating souch a popular decision. I expect them to functionally overturn it though.

Oh, and Roberts mattered when it was a 5-4 majority. Kavanaugh is the swing justice now and he’s ultra ultra right wing.

 

[K1052]

I doubt they will explicitly overturn it as they are afraid of the backlash from invalidating souch a popular decision. I expect them to functionally overturn it though.

After hearing the arguments and questions I think Roberts is afraid of this, the others not so much.

 

[eelw]

Yeah, and we should expand the courts. However, he has no avenue to accomplish that at the moment.

And frankly, Biden doesn’t really care about SCOTUS. Far more important things to do before this issue.

 

[abj13]

now, most abortion happen by the 21st week. abortions after that are generally due to complications. no idea how many abortions happen between 15 and 21 weeks. but for those that happen toward the end of that period, moving to 15 might cut the maximum lead time in half for a lot of women.

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2019

This report summarizes U.S. data on the number of legal induced abortions and abortion-related deaths in 2019.

www.cdc.gov

>90% of abortions occur prior to 13 weeks, but about 5% of abortions occur after 15 weeks. That's >20,000 women per year that would be impacted (CDC's numbers are an underestimate since it doesn't get data from all 50 states).

And for anyone wondering, only ~1% of abortions occur after 21 weeks (and of those, the majority are in the low twenties).

 

[IronWing]

I'm actually hoping SCOTUS overturns RvW. The ensuing tidal wave will sweep at least 1/4 of those deplorables out to sea.

I doubt it would motivate very many people to get off their butts and vote.

 

[MrSquished]

The main issue with all that is that SCOTUS has taken over as a sort of super legislature so whatever laws the Democrats pass will likely be struck down by ever more inventive constitutional interpretations. This is why we need to use that majority to pack the court and reign in the out of control court.

You'll have a better chance of separating the country into two than get a dem majority to pack the court and maintain that.

It's time to end the failed union with the cancerous Southern states. Should have let them go back in 1865. The just don't have the right morals. I mean when you think about it the modern Republican base is made up of people in states who thought slavery was cool to continue who were then pissed about civil rights. That do not belong in an honorable nation.

 

[ElFenix]

After hearing the arguments and questions I think Roberts is afraid of this, the others not so much.

it's why mississippi's ask in its briefs changed completely when judging amy replaced rbg. in a 5-4 court the chief could have assigned himself the majority opinion to preserve this "We'Re NoT pOlItIcAl" narrative he's tried to hold together for the people in the middle who don't think too hard about these things. on a 6-3 court with 5 votes to get rid of it entirely he can't do that. he'd have to pull his fanboy kav with him to not get rid of it entirely.

 

[sportage]

It's all a game to them.

Never a more truer statement be told.
It truly "is" only a game. In 1973 the liberals ruled the game and we got Roe vs Wade. In 2021 the far right extremist conservatives rule the game and thus they "will indeed definitely" ban abortion. And that will be that....

And don't expect those liberal women to wake up anytime soon, nor the many conservative women who also support Roe vs Wade. They knew this day would come yet they voted republican election after election, or in the case of the liberal women they never voted at all.

Face it, America has a liberal ideology at heart. America desires a progressive society, a society that moves forward and never backwards, and the desire to expand rights and freedoms for all. The very reality that a republican should or could ever win any election in America is totally mind boggling. That fluke of nature should never happen. It goes against nature itself.

 

[theeedude]

Someone please remind me, what was the turnout for women of reproductive age in 2016 presidential election with a vacant SCOTUS seat on the table and Trump having openly said that his appointees will overturn Roe?

 

[hardhat]

I wasn't alive when Roe v Wade happened. From what i have read and heard it seemed like a direct result of horror stories of back alley abortions happening.

Do you think that US citizens will tolerate a return to that kind of suffering when there is no where near as many people affiliated with a christian church in our society today?

I personally believe that republicans mostly are successful in our political system because of their approach to preserving the status quo. Democrats generally have some ideas that most people agree with and some they aren't sure about. So the safer option is the party that doesn't really do much.
Overturning Roe v Wade will be a very large change from the status quo and certainly will not be undone until republicans are out of control. The news media will absolutely blast the horror stories of women who cannot abort after rape, or who have complications from unsafe procedures. And Roberts will no longer preserve the legitimacy of any authority the court has. I don't see any other way forward.

 

[Sunburn74]

I wasn't alive when Roe v Wade happened. From what i have read and heard it seemed like a direct result of horror stories of back alley abortions happening.

Do you think that US citizens will tolerate a return to that kind of suffering when there is no where near as many people affiliated with a christian church in our society today?

I personally believe that republicans mostly are successful in our political system because of their approach to preserving the status quo. Democrats generally have some ideas that most people agree with and some they aren't sure about. So the safer option is the party that doesn't really do much.
Overturning Roe v Wade will be a very large change from the status quo and certainly will not be undone until republicans are out of control. The news media will absolutely blast the horror stories of women who cannot abort after rape, or who have complications from unsafe procedures. And Roberts will no longer preserve the legitimacy of any authority the court has. I don't see any other way forward.

Oh yeah the court is totally illegitimate at this point. Its purely partisan. I for one welcome Roe being overturned. Elections have consequences and I'm tired of barking up a tree that republicans are evil. Maybe this sort of thing will drive the point home, we'll get a supermajority in the senate and just pass abortion rights, voting rights, and all the stuff we need to put an end to this horseshit. Or maybe people won't care at all.

 

[sportage]

Putting things into perspective, and considering what is at stake.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I wasn't alive when Roe v Wade happened. From what i have read and heard it seemed like a direct result of horror stories of back alley abortions happening.

Do you think that US citizens will tolerate a return to that kind of suffering when there is no where near as many people affiliated with a christian church in our society today?

I personally believe that republicans mostly are successful in our political system because of their approach to preserving the status quo. Democrats generally have some ideas that most people agree with and some they aren't sure about. So the safer option is the party that doesn't really do much.
Overturning Roe v Wade will be a very large change from the status quo and certainly will not be undone until republicans are out of control. The news media will absolutely blast the horror stories of women who cannot abort after rape, or who have complications from unsafe procedures. And Roberts will no longer preserve the legitimacy of any authority the court has. I don't see any other way forward.

Americans have tolerated 40 years of stagnant wages while the oligarchs have laughed all the way to the bank. Americans have tolerated 20 years of healthcare costs spiraling out of control. Americans have tolerated colleges becoming factories for creating crippling debt for their children while offering degrees that keep being worth less and less. Americans tolerated Wall Street bundling junk home loans into AAA rated securities to loot their retirements. Then Americans tolerated bailing those criminals out. And Americans have again tolerated the housing bubble swelling to never before seen heights. Americans have tolerated a return to Jim Crow with the death of the Voting Rights Act. Americans tolerated a coup attempt on January 6th and then voted the traitors back in power last month. Americans will 100% tolerate poor people who can't afford to cross state lines dying of botched coathanger abortions.

In the US we have such a ridiculous case of Stockholm Syndrome where we don't realize we're the shithole country.

 

[conehead433]

Putting things into perspective, and considering what is at stake.

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