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Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

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rcpratt said:
Wow, that was disappointing after you played it up so much.
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Old's rule applies 🙂

Still I thought it was funny, the idea of renaming the entire team because of this one dude. I wonder if it was intentional or just someone who was stoned or something.
 
AMDZen said:
The haters are so hilarious at this point, its jut laughable.

Well, Tebow can never start in the NFL. Starts.
Well, Tebow can never win in the NFL. Wins
Well, Tebow will never be able to come back and win if down 14 pts. Comes back against Miami down 15 pts.
Well, Tebow will never be able to beat a good team like the Jets. Wins vs Jets.
Well, I doubt he can keep it up. Wins 4 in a row.

Well, Tebow will never be able to win a superbowl

I hope you idiots keep it up though, Tebow feeds on it and its only going to make him better.
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lol, talking about getting on ones knees to polish tebows knob.

tebow won't have a NFL career as a starting QB beyond this season or the next.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Yes, Tebow has prayed and willed the Defense to play better. LOL.
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Its called playing for a leader who leads by example and who doesn't turn the ball over. The defense plays harder because their will and passion to play is there. It wasn't with Orton.

Indianapolis Colts are a prime example. Everyone is like "Well Manning doesn't play defense so why is their defense playing so bad." Because Peyton Manning isn't there being a leader, it really does make that big of a difference.

Believe what you want. Our defense is playing a ton better, in no small part because of Tebow. His attitude and will to win, his leadership, his passion rubbing off and because he isn't turning it over. The running game has a lot to do with it to, keeping possession of the ball, which is also in large part due to Tebow. He is accounting for 1/3-1/2 of our run offense. The option works because the defense is watching him, making holes bigger for McGahee to run through.

I am an atheist and Tebow's faith is something I couldn't care less about, anymore than I care about someone's sexual preference if I'm listening to their music. Or even if they're actually a guy, Lady Gaga still makes great music. I don't even care what Michael Jackson was doing at his ranch, because I love his music and that will never change. As long as Tebow is winning on the football field, I couldn't care less that I think he is wasting his life away as a virgin - when he could be out banging everything that moves.
 
AMDZen said:
Indianapolis Colts are a prime example. Everyone is like "Well Manning doesn't play defense so why is their defense playing so bad." Because Peyton Manning isn't there being a leader, it really does make that big of a difference.
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There are MANY reasons why Manning elevates the defense, with the most critical being his ability to sustain long drives and keep the defense off the field and therefore, rested. The Colts defense is bad and lacks talent in key areas, but they would not be nearly as inept if the offense could regularly sustain long drives so they could remain rested.
 
While I find the idea that Tebow will be the next Elway silly, I'm happy to see the Broncos have some success. The NFL has gotten too obsessed with QBs like Brady and Rogers and every team thinks they can run that kind of offense. Most teams can't run systems that complicated.

So what do you do when your QB isn't HOF caliber? Up until now, the approach has been to run the same offense half as well. What I'm happy to see Denver do is play a completely different style that defenses aren't used to playing, and make it much simpler than the standard NFL offense. Sure, teams will be able to train for the spread option and stop it (Jets held the offense to 10 points), but imagine if every mid-level offense played some kind of vastly different offensive scheme. You could have the Texans (now mid-level with Yates playing) running the wishbone, Seattle playing Oregon's blur, Baltimore working out of the old single wing and so on. It would be exceptionally difficult for even the best defenses to plan for a completely new offense every week.

Edit: Also think of how much more exciting it would be. Every game would be substantively different to watch for more than just the quality of the play.
 
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IndyColtsFan said:
There are MANY reasons why Manning elevates the defense, with the most critical being his ability to sustain long drives and keep the defense off the field and therefore, rested. The Colts defense is bad and lacks talent in key areas, but they would not be nearly as inept if the offense could regularly sustain long drives so they could remain rested.
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Agreed I didn't elaborate too much on Manning, but nearly everything I said about the Broncos defense playing better under Tebow applies to Manning as well. I understand its not just the one reason I gave.

However, I think its the biggest reason. What separates a good defense from a great one isn't just talent level. Its playing hard on every down and wanting it. A lot of that is coaching thats changed the Broncos game, and some of it is Tebow.

Who wants to go out and play for Curtis Painter after throwing another INT? Or making another terrible decision?

Our defense wants to go out and play well, for John Fox, for the team, for many reasons - and one of them is Tebow. Whether the haters want to admit it or not.
 
Arkaign said:
Hilarious easter egg in the NFL site right now.

Step one : go to www.nfl.com
Step two : highlight 'standings' on the nav bar, and click 'playoff picture'
Step three : click on Oakland Raiders to expand the section

Step five : LOL @ the Denver reference.

Edit : putting it here, just in case it gets edited or taken down ..

Two of the next three games are against NFC North teams with a combined 18-4 record. That will be a challenge. So will holding off the fast-charging Denver Tebows, who split their series with Oakland and have a superior division record.
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Still there. That is funny.
 
CPA said:
Tebow has started 9 games. Compare the first 9 games. It's not close.
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Yup, some people are slow on the uptake. TEBO > ELWAY right now. The only thing Elway did better back then was his ability to throw a baseball, but that matters not in the NFL.
 
SP33Demon said:
Yup, some people are slow on the uptake. TEBO > ELWAY right now. The only thing Elway did better back then was his ability to throw a baseball, but that matters not in the NFL.
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The problem is that you're assuming that a) stats in the first 9 games are an accurate predictor of later success and b) that John Elway's early statistics are reflective of his later success.

Two other QBs who had better stats than John Elway (and Tim Tebow) early in their careers: Matt Schaub and Tony Eason. Both of these guys are solid starters and certainly didn't prevent their teams from having success (except in a certain Super Bowl game...), but they are not Elway-esque in their career arcs.

But that's not the point. Tim Tebow doesn't have to be John Elway. Hell, John Elway didn't win a title until he was passed his prime because the team was too reliant on him being John Elway. With this defense, he just has to not make mistakes and provide a steady, unspectacular offense. So far, that's what he's done.
 
crashtestdummy said:
But that's not the point. Tim Tebow doesn't have to be John Elway. Hell, John Elway didn't win a title until he was passed his prime because the team was too reliant on him being John Elway. With this defense, he just has to not make mistakes and provide a steady, unspectacular offense. So far, that's what he's done.
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Not to mention the fact that Elway didn't win until he had a great running game, and defense. Elway didn't have to sling the shit out of it on the two SB's we won. We had Terrell Davis to run around for over 100 yards every game and a stout Defense.
 
waggy said:
great. then trade him away to a team that will love him. like da bears!

...we will send back cutler..and heinei!
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I feel bad for Bears fans if they can't be happy with Cutler. I saw a few games this year and it looks like the majority of the problem is the pass blocking.
 
SP33Demon said:
Yup, some people are slow on the uptake. TEBO > ELWAY right now. The only thing Elway did better back then was his ability to throw a baseball, but that matters not in the NFL.
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Yes, but my question to you stands, "Do you really believe his career accomplishment arc will follow Elway's?"

Demon, I know you as a thoughtful and highly informed baseball commentator, so let me run this analogy past you:

In 2009, when J.A. Happ went 12-4 with a 2.93 ERA for the Phillies, did you think he was bound for continued success and even stardom? I'm guessing not.

So, yeah, right now Tebow is "just winning" and it sure as hell makes for a great story! But when you raise the fact that Tebow is doing better at this stage of his career than John Elway did, does this mean you really, really think he will come even close to having Elway's arc of professional success?

I mean, Cole Hamels went 9-8 with a 4.09 ERA for the Phils in his first year. Does this mean that you ever would have used that as an argument for Happ being as good or better than Hamels?

I'm just trying to smoke out what you mean when you point out the Tebow-Elway comparison.

Does it really have any strong evaluatory relevance for you, or were you just funnin'?



Ok, just saw that crashtestdummy just made the same point, better phrased, in post #189.
 
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JS80 said:
there should be an internet meme that goes something to the tune of Tebow - turning atheists into agnostics
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Most people thought he didn't have a prayer. 😛

But he proved them wrong on a "kneed to know" basis. :whiste:
 
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Perknose said:
Yes, but my question to you stands, "Do you really believe his career accomplishment arc will follow Elway's?"

Demon, I know you as a thoughtful and highly informed baseball commentator, so let me run this analogy past you:

In 2009, when J.A. Happ went 12-4 with a 2.93 ERA for the Phillies, did you think he was bound for continued success and even stardom? I'm guessing not.

So, yeah, right now Tebow is "just winning" and it sure as hell makes for a great story! But when you raise the fact that Tebow is doing better at this stage of his career than John Elway did, does this mean you really, really think he will come even close to having Elway's arc of professional success?

I mean, Cole Hamels went 9-8 with a 4.09 ERA for the Phils in his first year. Does this mean that you ever would have used that as an argument for Happ being as good or better than Hamels?

I'm just trying to smoke out what you mean when you point out the Tebow-Elway comparison.

Does it really have any strong evaluatory relevance for you, or were you just funnin'?



Ok, just saw that crashtestdummy just made the same point, better phrased, in post #189.
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Nah, I'm just funnin. However, I think Tebow does have a better shot than your J.A. Happ baseball comparison. I see Tebow more as a Vance Worley, who is predicted to come back to earth next year once teams figure his tendencies out (late movement on pitches). Tebow has been exceptional in protecting the ball and getting yards with his feet which are half the battle. He will only get better passing too, although I reiterate that I expect teams to figure him out next year. This year he may ride his newness to the Super Bowl, crazier things have happened.
 
AMDZen said:
Broncos are a national team now too. Anyone catch how many Bronco fans were in the stands there in SD yesterday? A friend of mine who went to the game said it was nearly half Bronco fans. He would be down getting a beer, the crowd would go wild and he assumed something good happened for the Chargers and nope - it was a huge sack by the Broncos.

Tebow is making that happen. Not only is he winning on the road against division teams (all 3 on the road, all 3 he has started this year) but he is taking away their home stadium advantage.
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It's always like that here. You should have seen it when Green Bay was here a few weeks ago. Denver fans like to come here to get out of the cold.

They beat the Dolphins, the Chargers and the Chiefs... all horrible teams this year. Big deal. They got killed by the Packers and the Lions and the Titans beat them too. See how they do against the Steelers or the Patriots. This is not a Superbowl caliber team.
 
SP33Demon said:
Nah, I'm just funnin. However, I think Tebow does have a better shot than your J.A. Happ baseball comparison. I see Tebow more as a Vance Worley, who is predicted to come back to earth next year once teams figure his tendencies out (late movement on pitches). Tebow has been exceptional in protecting the ball and getting yards with his feet which are half the battle. He will only get better passing too, although I reiterate that I expect teams to figure him out next year. This year he may ride his newness to the Super Bowl, crazier things have happened.
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I don't get the "figure him out" angle on how to defend. There have been plenty of strong running QBs starting with Vick. Teams should know by now.

I mean even if he's moves to total pocket QB, his ability to get out and scramble is worth a ton. Look what happens when Vick or Newton get flushed out, they're dangerous and Tebow is as well.
 
Arkaign said:
Hilarious easter egg in the NFL site right now.

Step one : go to www.nfl.com
Step two : highlight 'standings' on the nav bar, and click 'playoff picture'
Step three : click on Oakland Raiders to expand the section

Step five : LOL @ the Denver reference.

Edit : putting it here, just in case it gets edited or taken down ..

Two of the next three games are against NFC North teams with a combined 18-4 record. That will be a challenge. So will holding off the fast-charging Denver Tebows, who split their series with Oakland and have a superior division record.
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It's not the only one - check out this article on power rankings (specifically #21) from week ten.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...a-shakeup-after-big-wins-by-pats-texans-bears
 
THE TIM TEBOW LEAD DENVER BRONCOS WILL UPSET THE UNDEFEATED 18-0 PACKERS IN THE SUPERBOWL REMINDING US ALL OF THE 2007 PATRIOTS!

YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST!!!

/sarcasm
 
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