M0oG0oGaiPan
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I like watching him play and I hope he continues to do well but there's no doubt Elway is looking at drafting another QB. Or maybe pick up Jamarcus
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Wait! Are you claming that pro sports take pains to feature and market their stars and other popular players? The deuce, you say! D:
JujuFish
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You're off your game today, Perk. Perhaps a pep talk from Tebow will do the trick?Crap! Once again, I'm a day late and a dollar short, with crashtestdummy having already given a more focused answer.
I'll start out by saying I live in Denver, and I'm a Bronco fan. We've been dealing with this Tebow debacle for so long that everyone is just happy to be talking about Tebow winning, rather than the whole Tebow/Orton toss-up.
I think the Broncos should draft a QB in the first round. I'd like to keep Tebow playing until other teams prove they can game plan around him so effectively that he stops winning. I'm thinking that happens about midway through next season, and the Broncos go maybe 7-9 next year. That gives the new QB a year of practice before he has to carry the team.
Tebow has proved one thing this year - he is a hell of a weapon. This year you see what happens when you game plan around his strengths. He embarrasses defenses, especially in key situations in the 4th quarter. He can play like shit all game and then pulls out the win, leaving the other teams going "WTF?" In games with Orton at QB I'm sure the players, just like the fans, weren't expecting any miracles. Now the players feel like anything is possible, and so do the fans, which is why everyone here is so head over heels for the kid.
If he keeps winning you simply have to keep starting him. There's no arguing with W's. However, if he begins to struggle, I think you play your new QB, and use Tebow as your ultimate ace in the hole. Let both Tebow and the new QB take reps with the first team and continue to practice the best plays out of the option playbook they've been using all year. Then, play him on 3rd and 4. On 4th and inches. Play him when the defense is looking exhausted in the 4th quarter and you want to punish them with the run game. Play him alongside your QB, or in the wildcat, and you get all sorts of trick play options - he could pass block, he could lead block for the RB, he could take the ball and run to the edge, etc. Use him as the weird, flex/hybrid player he is and you can confuse the hell out of defenses all day.
Tebow is a gimmick when he's your only play, he's a monster threat if you can use him on key plays. The same strengths you see with RBBC. Granted, I think this situation is unlikely, because it means your new QB and Tebow have to be team players and leave their egos at the door. Probably impossible for NFL athletes, but you never know.
I think the Broncos should draft a QB in the first round. I'd like to keep Tebow playing until other teams prove they can game plan around him so effectively that he stops winning. I'm thinking that happens about midway through next season, and the Broncos go maybe 7-9 next year. That gives the new QB a year of practice before he has to carry the team.
Tebow has proved one thing this year - he is a hell of a weapon. This year you see what happens when you game plan around his strengths. He embarrasses defenses, especially in key situations in the 4th quarter. He can play like shit all game and then pulls out the win, leaving the other teams going "WTF?" In games with Orton at QB I'm sure the players, just like the fans, weren't expecting any miracles. Now the players feel like anything is possible, and so do the fans, which is why everyone here is so head over heels for the kid.
If he keeps winning you simply have to keep starting him. There's no arguing with W's. However, if he begins to struggle, I think you play your new QB, and use Tebow as your ultimate ace in the hole. Let both Tebow and the new QB take reps with the first team and continue to practice the best plays out of the option playbook they've been using all year. Then, play him on 3rd and 4. On 4th and inches. Play him when the defense is looking exhausted in the 4th quarter and you want to punish them with the run game. Play him alongside your QB, or in the wildcat, and you get all sorts of trick play options - he could pass block, he could lead block for the RB, he could take the ball and run to the edge, etc. Use him as the weird, flex/hybrid player he is and you can confuse the hell out of defenses all day.
Tebow is a gimmick when he's your only play, he's a monster threat if you can use him on key plays. The same strengths you see with RBBC. Granted, I think this situation is unlikely, because it means your new QB and Tebow have to be team players and leave their egos at the door. Probably impossible for NFL athletes, but you never know.
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angminas
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Well said. As much as I defend Tebow from haters, I am also quick to suggest that he's wasted at quarterback.
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glenn1
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Who gives a shit about his throwing motion? He very well might have a decent career in the mold of Bernie Kosar, who threw sidearm for heavens sake.
Capt Caveman
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Kosar could still release the ball quickly, Tebow takes forever to release the ball. He was able to get away with it in college but as shown so far in the NFL, he isn't a QB.
so you're saying Tebow might end up winning a superbowl...
...riding the bench backing up a future HOFer QB
preslove
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Tim Tebow will never be Dan Marino, Tom Brady, or Peyton Jesus. He could definitely be a cross between Ben Rapelisberger spliced with Vince Young or Michael Vick. This might not be possible in Denver, especially given former quarterback in management there, but it could definitely work if given a chance.
I'm a gator fan (though fucking Meyer and the pieces of shit in the state of Pennsylvania are testing my ability to care about college fb), so I've watched my fair share of the dude. His running threat allowed him to not have to force balls into coverage, which was the major factor in his only throwing 6 INT in his worst college season, which was his first season starting:
Tebow also played very smart at UF by throwing the ball away when he had to. Too many gifted quarterbacks force balls into coverage situations that lead to interceptions, which lead to lost games. The offense is flashy and all, but defense wins championships. Pittsburgh has more trophies of late than the Colts, even though Manning is on a totally different level than rapey mctall-fucklisberger. Roethlisberger is very good quarterback, though. He's smart and nimble in the pocket and makes clutch throws. He hasn't had to put up huge numbers because his defense has been absolutely beastly at times.
If Chicago had rapey mcraperape instead of sexy Rexy, they would have won a superbowl by now. Rexy lost them a superbowl and many games with INTs.
Tebow is smart and can run forward. I think he'd also be effective scrambling around behind the line of scrimmage, like rapey mcgee of the Stealers.
Tebow is a very good qb who will not lose the game for you. He would work well in a Baltimore/Chicago/Pittsburgh, defense heavy setting. Build an offense with qb draw plays and hire option qbs as backups to Tebow. There are a hell of a lot more of them now than there were in Randall Cunningham's day.
Look at Philly nowadays with Vick and Vince Young. Running quarterbacks are a growing trend, and there is enough talent to set up a qb package with Tebow at the helm and competent option qbs.
I'm a gator fan (though fucking Meyer and the pieces of shit in the state of Pennsylvania are testing my ability to care about college fb), so I've watched my fair share of the dude. His running threat allowed him to not have to force balls into coverage, which was the major factor in his only throwing 6 INT in his worst college season, which was his first season starting:
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Passing Passing Passing Passing Passing Passing Passing Passing Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2006 Florida SEC FR QB 22 33 66.7 358 10.8 12.5 5 1 201.7
2007 Florida SEC SO QB 234 350 66.9 3286 9.4 10.4 32 6 172.5
2008 Florida SEC JR QB 192 298 64.4 2746 9.2 10.6 30 4 172.4
2009 Florida SEC SR QB 213 314 67.8 2895 9.2 9.8 21 5 164.2
Career Florida 661 995 66.4 9285 9.3 10.4 88 16 170.8Tebow also played very smart at UF by throwing the ball away when he had to. Too many gifted quarterbacks force balls into coverage situations that lead to interceptions, which lead to lost games. The offense is flashy and all, but defense wins championships. Pittsburgh has more trophies of late than the Colts, even though Manning is on a totally different level than rapey mctall-fucklisberger. Roethlisberger is very good quarterback, though. He's smart and nimble in the pocket and makes clutch throws. He hasn't had to put up huge numbers because his defense has been absolutely beastly at times.
If Chicago had rapey mcraperape instead of sexy Rexy, they would have won a superbowl by now. Rexy lost them a superbowl and many games with INTs.
Tebow is smart and can run forward. I think he'd also be effective scrambling around behind the line of scrimmage, like rapey mcgee of the Stealers.
Tebow is a very good qb who will not lose the game for you. He would work well in a Baltimore/Chicago/Pittsburgh, defense heavy setting. Build an offense with qb draw plays and hire option qbs as backups to Tebow. There are a hell of a lot more of them now than there were in Randall Cunningham's day.
Look at Philly nowadays with Vick and Vince Young. Running quarterbacks are a growing trend, and there is enough talent to set up a qb package with Tebow at the helm and competent option qbs.
Capt Caveman
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Vick, Young and other running QBs have proven that running QBs don't last in the league. They were able to get away with it in college b/c players are smaller and slower. In the NFL, QBs that have to rely on run don't last. Both Vick and Young are proof and have had to learn to become pocket passers primarily now.
There's a reason you don't see the single wing, wild-cat, option anymore b/c those QBs eventually get injured and defenses eventually learn to scheme it.
Yeah, I can see this working. Tebow can stall out sometimes if used too much, like the nine straight 3 and outs in one of his recent games. He'd be more effective overall in a part-time role, in unorthodox plays, as an excellent change of pace. Especially on pure passing downs like 3rd and long, you'd ideally want a more passing oriented QB to increase the chances of success.
He always seems like he'd be better as a RB/TE/QB/WR who takes some snaps in shotgun. He can definitely run block if needed and using him less but when the situation was important would increase the overall effectiveness since teams wouldn't play around stopping him as much.
Defense guys already over pursue a ton because that's the only thing they know. Imagine having to switch that pursuit mentality on and off over the course of the game. It might be better than Johan Santana's circle change.
Having all running all the time doesn't seem prudent because you can't adapt to new things. If you have both, then you could run Tebow more when you're ahead and use him less when you're way behind.
As far as injuries goes, I think he's fine. I see Tebow easily lasting 5-7+ seasons given his size and mobility. That tends to be the average prime for star RBs, who take approximately the same number of hits as him. If he wants to play 15 years or whatever, then he has to lower the number of contact plays he has.
it was me you were agreeing with and spidey who wanted to bet with you or i. it is he that is mentally handicapped, not you, and that was a known issue that has nothing to do with this thread.
angminas
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AMDZen
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SP33Demon
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And he does it again. 149.3 rating.
Where are the haters now? /crickets
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311204016
Where are the haters now? /crickets
Yep, tied with Oakland for the division. The haters going to keep hating if he takes them to the playoffs?
Fingolfin269
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I think this whole situation is hilarious. The problem now is that I'd he doesn't win the super bowl the response will be 'see!!!!'
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Really? This is just stupid talk.
Vick has been in the league what... 10 years now? Vince Young is still in the league... and how about that other Young... Steve? Running QB with a damn good career. How about Randall Cunningham? How about Daunte Culpepper who had a pretty decent career. Yes, injuries happen. But Matt Forte got injured today. So did Kyle Orton in one play. Adrian Peterson got injured this year. Kenny Britt. Jamaal Charles. Ahmad Bradshaw. Tony Romo. The list goes on and on. Injuries happen, to everyone, all the freaking time. Tom Brady?
My point is that you can't predict injures. Sure, limit teh amount of hits the guy takes. Or... how about let him do the hitting, rather than being a sitting statue getting blind sided from behind.
And he can't pass at all right? He threw for 67%, 2 td's and another 0 int perforamce today. His receivers suck by the way.
He's not the best passer in the NFL by any means, but he's not the worst either. Not even close.
Nobody is on Ponders dick about being a shitty QB but he lost the Vikings the game today. You won't see Tebow make that mistake. Just saying.
If the Broncos somehow make it to the playoffs than Tebow did what MANY other QB's would not have been able to do, plain and simple. To expect them to even win a playoff game is expecting to much. The team... as whole, just doesn't have the talent.
Yeah, he had a good passing game today. He did what he had to do. They barely ran the read option today. Normal running plays and normal passing plays. Vik's secondary blew the coverage 4 times very badly but he made the passes to take advantage of it unlike his bad throws earlier in the season to the wide open receivers.
They miss Von Miller. Defense wasn't getting as much pressure and they gave up tons of points. I wonder why he didn't go Sean Lee and just play with the club hand.
With the Raiders' loss today, I see a relatively easy division title for the Broncos. Who knew after they were supposed to get Luck this year?
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