Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[HendrixFan]

and Young has a great RB in CJ2k a few years back, which keep the defense honest, but now CJ2k turns into CJMIA after he got pay.

Let see how Vince young going to perform this sunday with the Eagles.

The year CJ ran for 2K yards, the Titans were 0-6 without Young starting even though Johnson was running around like crazy. They went 8-2 after Young came in as starter and Johnson's numbers were better during that time.

It helps to have a great runner back there no doubt, especially since Young can take off. But the difference between 0-6 and 8-2, all other pieces being equal, cannot be overstated.

 

[CPA]

That's easy.

You would think, but Brady has been throwing interceptions left and right lately and a couple weeks ago Tebow had more fantasy points.

 

[SillyOReilly]

I'm confused about the Jets making the AFC championship game 2 years in a row.

They suck.

 

[a123456]

I haven't followed Tebow as closely as others, we don't always get Denver down here in NC. But what I have seen is that he has helped win in the games comming from behind in the late 4th quarter. That's when the other team is running a prevent defense. Tebow's unusual style is perfect for scoring on the prevent defense.

Interesting point. I did notice that the Jets changed from their usual 3-4 to a more prevent formation with extra DBs (i.e. small guys). Based on the probable run/pass pct with 5 minutes left in the game, I'm not really sure it was the best move to focus more on stopping the pass. Obviously, they had plenty of time to run the ball all the way down the field.

It could explain why he seems to play better during the last 5 minutes of games, when teams are more likely to be in a prevent defense.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

He said that there was a short term benefit to Young but long term he couldn't learn an offense. A record like that isn't short term. Young also was leading the AFC in passer rating when his season was up with the Titans last year, while improving his passer rating each season.

I didn't put together your little story because it makes no sense and contradicts what he actually said.

it wasn't my story to put together, but I'm not surprised you're confused on that

also, a player winning games doesn't verify that they've learned an offense, it just means they won the game with whatever offense he did know how to execute

The goal in the NFL is to make it to and win the Superbowl. With a QB like VY or Tebow you can consistently win a bunch of games against the baddies and mediocres of the league, but you're going to have zero chance against the cream of the crop, you aren't going anywhere in the playoffs if you even get there. Its one thing to be a winning QB, its an entirely different level to be a Superbowl winning QB.

Anyone with any logical reasoning skills will realize that Tebow needs to improve as a passer (he's always below 50% ffs) for him to be a franchise player over the long haul and give his team a legitimate shot to make it to and win the Superbowl on a year to year basis. And given what little improvement (if any at all) we've seen from him throughout his college career and the better part of two NFL seasons, the prospect of him becoming a legitimate passer is not good at all.

This isn't the case of a green QB coming in and being initially overwhelmed by NFL speed and complexity, the dude just can't throw, its like he just doesn't understand the basic principal of leading a target.

 

[monk3y]

Anyone with any logical reasoning skills will realize that Tebow needs to improve as a passer (he's always below 50% ffs) for him to be a franchise player over the long haul and give his team a legitimate shot to make it to and win the Superbowl on a year to year basis. And given what little improvement (if any at all) we've seen from him throughout his college career and the better part of two NFL seasons, the prospect of him becoming a legitimate passer is not good at all.

This isn't the case of a green QB coming in and being initially overwhelmed by NFL speed and complexity, the dude just can't throw, its like he just doesn't understand the basic principal of leading a target.

Obviously my opinion will be taken as biased just because I'm a gator fan but hear me out. While winning the superbowl is the ultimate goal, no team in the league would not want to make it into the playoffs. Funny things happen in the NFL and in sports in general. I agree Tebow can't pass but I'm not sure why people are writing him off to be the worst QB on the planet. The fact of the matter is that there have been QBs throughout the years that have been able to do just enough to win.

Looking back at Superbowl winning quarterbacks there are plenty of elite quarterbacks but there are also some that do just enough. I'm not claiming Tebow will win a superbowl, I'm just saying there's no reason to say he NEVER will. I know everyone uses this as an example but Joe Namath has won a superbowl and is in the Hall of Fame (his numbers are atrocious). Trent Dilfer has a ring. Strange things happen in the NFL, if you can excel in 2 out of the 3 aspects of the game (defense and special teams) your offense just needs not make mistakes and you can win ball games.

I don't think he will EVER be a QB that will win it for his team. He is just a player that given the right situation, will do enough to not lose the game for his team. That's all he has done this season. The reason Kyle Orton was not able to win games was because even with completing 59 percent of his passes, he was turning the ball over. 7 INTs and 2 fumbles lost. Tebow while largely doing nothing on offense and only completing 44% of his passes, has maximized the chances of his team winning games by only turning the ball over 2 times (1 INT, 1 fumble) while scoring 10 TDs.

 

[a123456]

I'm not claiming Tebow will win a superbowl, I'm just saying there's no reason to say he NEVER will. Trent Dilfer has a ring.

I went back and looked at Dilfer's numbers out of curiosity. They were pretty bad.

8 games
59.3 completion %
12 TD, 11 INT
136.5 yards/game
76 QB rating

In the playoffs, he was
9/14, 130y, 1TD,0 INT
5/16, 117y, 0/0
9/18, 190y, 1/1
12/25, 153y, 1/1

So, the bar is pretty low on what is the minimum it takes to win a SB if you have the bar none #1 defense and good surrounding pieces. It's vaguely possible Tebow can win a SB in the same way Dilfer backed into one but Denver's current team is not even close to that level at this time. If he was on the 2000 Ravens team, I wouldn't exactly count him out if he was in in his 7th year or something and showed some solid signs of improvement with passing.

That said, it's tough to improve things like accuracy so we'll see.

I'm really hoping he improves because he makes watching games so much more fun.

 

[KMFJD]

 

[FallenHero]

Sounds kind of like the Bears, and when was the last time you won the super bowl? 1986?

Sounds like 25 years of mediocrity to me, with one fluke SB run where Manning kicked your ass.

Two can play at this game.

Uh, I don't really take anything personally. Sorry to see that you are.

 

[Muse]

I knew Tim Tebow would be a successful QB in the NFL when he was still in college. His character, skills and physical gifts spelled win. I'd have been surprised otherwise, baring injury. What you've seen is probably just a prelude of what's to come.

 

[darkswordsman17]

shut up.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011103006/2011/REG8/lions@broncos#menu=highlights&tab=recap

:thumbsup:

He had an awesome sack in the 4th. Such an explosive quick first step off the line and then pancaked the DT on the way to the sack. I thought he was considered smallish for the NFL, but he looked quick and powerful on that play.

Fern

He's the real deal and living up to the hype that he's like Derrick Thomas. I think he's actually a more complete player, and that's scary. He's the real star of that team and he's barely getting any recognition. Then again, I think he might prefer it that way.

I knew Tim Bebow would be a successful QB in the NFL when he was still in college. His character, skills and physical gifts spelled win. I'd have been surprised otherwise, baring injury. What you've seen is probably just a prelude of what's to come.

Hmm, maybe Tebow should take some pointers from this Bebow guy.

 

[Analog]

Tebow in OT in SD!!

 

[spidey07]

Tebow in OT in SD!!

When Vick runs = next generation of QB
When Newton runs = talent
When Tebow runs = not fit for NFL even when he gets the first down in OT

Racists

-edit-
Looks like Tebow will get his 5th win.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

Will Jesus pull out? oh that sounded dirty...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Chip shot if needed after that run

 

[Analog]

Field goal good!!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

And it is good

 

[spidey07]

Tebow WINS! 4 in a row with Tebow!

 

[slayer202]

unbelievable

 

[Analog]

He cured cancer in that OT too!

 

[spidey07]

He cured cancer in that OT too!

You get players rallying around thir qb or leader and the team can be dangerous.

 

[OutHouse]

Tebow WINS! 4 in a row with Tebow!

nm

 

[angminas]

You get players rallying around thir qb or leader and the team can be dangerous.

Yeah, he's even inspiring the defense to play better, and he just does not turn over the ball. At this point, I won't be surprised by anything less than a trip to the AFC championship. I'd guess that's just about as far as this train can go this year, but we'll see. New QB, new coach, new offense, new defensive monster...we really don't know what this team is capable of.

 

[Miramonti]

Not turning the ball over in defensive games is instrumental to their success, and generally why teams with sh!tty passers don't succeed in the long run. Tebow was pretty good in 3rd down, and that's unexpected. Chargers clearly sacrificed the rush pressure to make Tebow pass, but they couldn't capitalize.

 

[szechuanpork]

the Holy Spirit is strong with this one