Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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mooncancook

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Like how North Korea is getting around some of the sanctions they got hit with, I wonder how effective those sanctions levied on Putin and his oligarch cronies will be monitored and enforced.

It seems to me there will always be black market operators more than willing to exploit the sanctions for fun and profit. China will surely be a major avenue of clandestine trade meant to mitigate the effects of the sanctions as far as import/export of sanctioned goods and services are concerned.
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I talked to couple friends in mainland China, and it appears that the majority of mainland Chinese think that Russia's invasion is justified. They argue that it's the West that has been breaking promises with Russia and pushing Russia to its limit and forcing Russia to react. Since their mind is pretty much fvcked and controlled by the ccp, you can bet that the Chinese government is not neutral and instead they are in bed with Putin. They just won't admit it because they still need the wealth from the West.

I find that it's really hard to talk to mainland Chinese when there's any politics involved. They have been brainwashed to pro Russia and against US and West, they think the Western countries are jealous of China's growth and power and wanted to oppress their growth and prosperity. There's hypocrisy there though, as few mainland Chinese want to go to live in Russia yet a large number want to live in Western countries.
 
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mooncancook said:
I talked to couple friends in mainland China, and it appears that the majority of mainland Chinese think that Russia's invasion is justified. They argue that it's the West that has been breaking promises with Russia and pushing Russia to its limit and forcing Russia to react. Since their mind is pretty much fvcked and controlled by the ccp, you can bet that the Chinese government is not neutral and instead they are in bed with Putin. They just won't admit it because they still need the wealth from the West.

I find that it's really hard to talk to mainland Chinese when there's any politics involved. They have been brainwashed to pro Russia and against US and West, they think the Western countries are jealous of China's growth and power and wanted to oppress their growth and prosperity. There's hypocrisy there though, as few mainland Chinese want to go to live in Russia yet a large number want to live in Western countries.
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This is funny (not in a ha-ha way) to me...it wasn't that long ago, the worrld was worried about the Sino-Soviet conflict.

www.thoughtco.com

What Was the Sino-Soviet Split?

The Sino-Soviet Split of 1960, started by a split in ideologies about communism, caused massive strain on Chinese and Russian relations in the 1900s.
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BoomerD said:
This is funny (not in a ha-ha way) to me...it wasn't that long ago, the worrld was worried about the Sino-Soviet conflict.

www.thoughtco.com

What Was the Sino-Soviet Split?

The Sino-Soviet Split of 1960, started by a split in ideologies about communism, caused massive strain on Chinese and Russian relations in the 1900s.
www.thoughtco.com www.thoughtco.com
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Yes, and that relationship can be very fragile as well as it is very calculating. Currently the agenda is "the enemy of our enemy is our friend". When a government has total control of the media it is scary.
 
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Lookie what Ukrainian forced managed to capture

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499449235921645576

T-80BVM Main Battle Tank | Military-Today.com

The T-80BVM is a refurbished and upgraded version of the T-80BV main battle tank. It was first publicly revealed in 2017. Russian Army plans to upgrade its T-80 series tanks in order to keep them in operational service.
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That's "V" Team.
They probably list to the "Z" team when they were doing exercises.
Be interesting to see data on where V vs Z marked equipment were deployed and captured
 
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dank69 said:
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Hey, it's a way out of Russia. Get sent to Ukraine and give yourself up right away (they pay you for that too!).
 
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dank69 said:
Kyiv = Ukranian spelling
Kiev = Russian spelling

Think of it like calling a trans woman she/her vs. calling a trans woman he/him. The latter makes a person a piece of shit if they do it on purpose.
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So, I can properly say Bruce Jenner wants me to call her Bruce because she is so entitled, right?

I'm not comprehending the whole pronoun thing. I grew up when you didn't get to choose your own pronouns and decide what sex you want to be going forward. If anyone can explain all this to me, please do...
 
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Can someone enlighten me as to what the point of this is?

https://imgur.com/8EQz7Qu

Why even negotiate? Negotiations shouldn't be on the table until every single Russian is out of Ukraine. What could Ukraine possibly want to give Putin? What could Russia offer in exchange?
 
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dank69 said:
Can someone enlighten me as to what the point of this is?

https://imgur.com/8EQz7Qu

Why even negotiate? Negotiations shouldn't be on the table until every single Russian is out of Ukraine. What could Ukraine possibly want to give Putin? What could Russia offer in exchange?
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The Ukrainians now have cities with no heat, power or water. Opening up humanitarian escape corridors for civilians was primary goal of Ukrainians today.
(Edit: obligatory snark, it only took 7 days of Russian missiles, artillery, and bombs, to achieve what Texas accomplished inadvertently by negligence)
 
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dank69 said:
Can someone enlighten me as to what the point of this is?

https://imgur.com/8EQz7Qu

Why even negotiate? Negotiations shouldn't be on the table until every single Russian is out of Ukraine. What could Ukraine possibly want to give Putin? What could Russia offer in exchange?
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Well they did negotiate the (supposedly) safe corridors for civilians...
Just words and ink on paper that mean nothing really.
 
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Dave_5k said:
The Ukrainians now have cities with no heat, power or water. Opening up humanitarian escape corridors for civilians was primary goal of Ukrainians today.
(Edit: obligatory snark, it only took 7 days of Russian missiles, artillery, and bombs, to achieve what Texas accomplished inadvertently by negligence)
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Homerboy said:
Well they did negotiate the (supposedly) safe corridors for civilians...
Just words and ink on paper that mean nothing really.
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And what did they give the Russians in return?
 
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