Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Young Grasshopper]

Not an American mission, so I guess you're saying you have no issue with Elon fucking over the Ukrainians.

Ya Elon is really screwing over Ukrainians isn’t he:

SpaceX Starlink has 150,000 daily users in Ukraine 5 weeks after being activated, government official says

"This is crucial support for Ukraine's infrastructure and restoring the destroyed territories," vice prime minister Mykhailo Fedorov said.

www.businessinsider.com

Elon Musk's SpaceX now has about 150,000 daily users of its Starlink satellite internet service in Ukraine, a government official said Monday.

Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine's vice prime minister, tweeted that Starlink, a subsidiary of SpaceX, was providing "crucial support" for the country's infrastructure and "restoring the destroyed territories."

Putin derangement syndrome is making you guys lose your minds.

 

[Zorba]

Ya Elon is really screwing over Ukrainians isn’t he:

SpaceX Starlink has 150,000 daily users in Ukraine 5 weeks after being activated, government official says

"This is crucial support for Ukraine's infrastructure and restoring the destroyed territories," vice prime minister Mykhailo Fedorov said.

www.businessinsider.com

Putin derangement syndrome is making you guys lose your minds.

The guy literally admitted to knowingly disrupting a Ukraine mission against Russia. Your employer should really send you to the front, I'm guessing you'd be much better at stopping a bullet than propaganda.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

If you help Russia, even by omission of not helping those under attack by them, you are no better than they are.

 

[K1052]

Mass extinction of Russian artillery batteries continues apace

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700204393335787806

 

[K1052]

LMAO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700210659428815226

 

[Young Grasshopper]

The guy literally admitted to knowingly disrupting a Ukraine mission against Russia.

Then maybe Ukraine shouldn’t be using his equipment to launch attack missions?

No one of forcing Ukraine to use Starlink. They are free to use any other technologies available.

 

[Brovane]

Not an American mission, so I guess you're saying you have no issue with Elon fucking over the Ukrainians.

Nope never said that.

However Elon isn't the only one in the US that has been reluctant to give Ukrainians the assets they need in their fight against Russia.
I could make the argument that the Biden administration has been fucking over the Ukrainians for the entire conflict by delaying giving them the weapons that Ukraine needs to push Russia out of Ukraine. The Biden administration delays in delivery of military hardware or just giving permission for other countries to give Ukraine hardware has killed far more Ukrainians than Musk ever will and has prolonged the conflict.

 

[fskimospy]

Then maybe Ukraine shouldn’t be using his equipment to launch attack missions?

No one of forcing Ukraine to use Starlink. They are free to use any other technologies available.

Musk is fine with them using Starlink to launch attack missions, he just seems to be arbitrarily choosing which ones.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1620536119522922497

Come on man, this is basic stuff. Also, as a lover of peace you should be happy they are being used to kill invaders. Remember, Russia caused the war!

 

[Leeea]

Nope never said that.

However Elon isn't the only one in the US that has been reluctant to give Ukrainians the assets they need in their fight against Russia.
I could make the argument that the Biden administration has been fucking over the Ukrainians for the entire conflict by delaying giving them the weapons that Ukraine needs to push Russia out of Ukraine. The Biden administration delays in delivery of military hardware or just giving permission for other countries to give Ukraine hardware has killed far more Ukrainians than Musk ever will and has prolonged the conflict.

The flip side of that coin is if the Biden admin had not transferred as much artillery ammunition to Ukraine as it has Ukraine would not be here.

It is not just artillery ammunition either. The center piece of Ukraine's air defense network are two patriot systems that stopped* Russia's assault air assault on Kiev and gave Ukraine a safe place to organize and regroup. Ukraine's air force shelter in safety to launch storm shadow attacks from behind that shield. Ukrainian logistics don't need to worry about getting interdiction until they approach the front lines.

Then there is the finicial assistance, the artillery, and everything else.

Yes, Biden has dragged his feet on important systems like the F-16. But Biden always needs another card to play with Putin. Another wrench to pull to put more pressure. A deterrence that yes, we can still make it worse for Russia.


And Biden has to also stare down China, North Korea, and Iran.

For example, Biden cannot give ATACMS:

Third Offset Breakthrough: U.S. Army Using Existing Technology to Develop 'Warship-Killer' Missiles

At the CSIS’s Third Offset Conference last week, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced that Will Roper’s Strategic Capabilities Office has found a solution to the United States’ shortfall in coastal artillery. The simplicity is almost obvious: modify the Army’s existing Army Tactical Missile...

nationalinterest.org

ATACMS are long range supersonic ship killers. On a mobile, airliftable, easy to hide launcher. They are needed for Taiwan and the pacific islands.



*and revealed the previously unknown capability of the system to stop some types of hyper-sonic missiles. I wonder if China had to toss their entire invasion plan in the recycle bin after that was revealed.

 

[K1052]

IIRC ATACMS has no update capacity or other guidance besides GPS/INS so its utility against moving naval assets would be rather limited. The Pentagon is apparently really reluctant to part with them due to their place in the plans to defend Korea. Though I'm pretty skeptical 50-100 units we might give to Ukraine is really going to make a huge difference there especially while the US can draw reworked ones from older inventory.

If we're not going to provide that then we should assist them in building (better) replacements for their Tochka-U inventory or getting the Grom into production.

 

[Leeea]

IIRC ATACMS has no update capacity or other guidance besides GPS/INS so its utility against moving naval assets would be rather limited. The Pentagon is apparently really reluctant to part with them due to their place in the plans to defend Korea. Though I'm pretty skeptical 50-100 units we might give to Ukraine is really going to make a huge difference there especially while the US can draw reworked ones from older inventory.

If we're not going to provide that then we should assist them in building (better) replacements for their Tochka-U inventory or getting the Grom into production.

If they were never upgraded to target ships then yea, it doesn't make sense to hold them back.

South Korea doesn't need them.

Two months after the president of South Korea presses the button its spits out a modern military loaded for bear 3,600,000 strong. Heavy armor, heavy artillery, modern comms, fighter jets, and all the ammo it will need.
Perun did a video on it:

Spoiler: hide youtube link

South Korea makes the rest of us look pathetic. Sometimes I wonder if the PLA's priorities are all wrong. China is all occupied with Taiwan, but they have an excessively well armed neighbor that hates their guts:

South Koreans Have the World’s Most Negative Views of China. Why?

The explanation goes well beyond the oft-mentioned THAAD dispute.

thediplomat.com

If South Korea ever decides to get revenge I don't think the PLA can dream of stopping them.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Musk is fine with them using Starlink to launch attack missions, he just seems to be arbitrarily choosing which ones.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1620536119522922497

Come on man, this is basic stuff. Also, as a lover of peace you should be happy they are being used to kill invaders. Remember, Russia caused the war!

Wrong. What he is referring to regarding front lines is communication, NOT launching drone attacks:

SpaceX curbed Ukraine's use of Starlink internet for drones -company president

SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

Using Starlink with drones went beyond the scope of an agreementSpaceX has with the Ukrainian government, Shotwell said, adding the contractwas intended for humanitarian purposes such as providing broadband internet to hospitals, banks and families affected by Russia's invasion.

"We know the military is using them for comms, and that's ok," she said. "But our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes."

Like I said, no one of forcing Ukraine to use Starlink, but with the way some people in this thread are talking you would think Ukraine launched their own guided drones using their own satellites and Musk somehow took them down using Starlink.

Ridiculous.

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong. What he is referring to regarding front lines is communication, NOT launching drone attacks:

SpaceX curbed Ukraine's use of Starlink internet for drones -company president

SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

Like I said, no one of forcing Ukraine to use Starlink, but with the way some people in this thread are talking you would think Ukraine launched their own guided drones using their own satellites and Musk somehow took them down using Starlink.

Ridiculous.

Lol - what do you think they do at the front lines, genius. They kill people, which is what you said he didn’t want it to be used for.

Ukraine has been using them to facilitate killing orcs from the start.

How can you be this inept. Maybe you really are Russian - fetal alcohol syndrome or something from that country of degenerates?

 

[WelshBloke]

Curious that Grasshopper is still "fighting the good fight" even after his boss got squished.
Obviously someone took over the payroll. Unless he's such cuck that he's happy to support the people who killed the guy that employed him and gave him this brief without pay?

 

[fskimospy]

Curious that Grasshopper is still "fighting the good fight" even after his boss got squished.
Obviously someone took over the payroll. Unless he's such cuck that he's happy to support the people who killed the guy that employed him and gave him this brief without pay?

I don’t know - he certainly sounds like a native English speaker to me. I think he might just be a useful idiot.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don’t know - he certainly sounds like a native English speaker to me. I think he might just be a useful idiot.

I am unconvinced either way at the moment. I know classic tankies and even they are just pretty much quiet about Ukraine. I'd think that to put that much effort into supporting Putin you either need to be in an information vacuum or being paid for it.

 

[rommelrommel]

The flip side of that coin is if the Biden admin had not transferred as much artillery ammunition to Ukraine as it has Ukraine would not be here.

It is not just artillery ammunition either. The center piece of Ukraine's air defense network are two patriot systems that stopped* Russia's assault air assault on Kiev and gave Ukraine a safe place to organize and regroup. Ukraine's air force shelter in safety to launch storm shadow attacks from behind that shield. Ukrainian logistics don't need to worry about getting interdiction until they approach the front lines.

Then there is the finicial assistance, the artillery, and everything else.

Yes, Biden has dragged his feet on important systems like the F-16. But Biden always needs another card to play with Putin. Another wrench to pull to put more pressure. A deterrence that yes, we can still make it worse for Russia.


And Biden has to also stare down China, North Korea, and Iran.

For example, Biden cannot give ATACMS:

Third Offset Breakthrough: U.S. Army Using Existing Technology to Develop 'Warship-Killer' Missiles

At the CSIS’s Third Offset Conference last week, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced that Will Roper’s Strategic Capabilities Office has found a solution to the United States’ shortfall in coastal artillery. The simplicity is almost obvious: modify the Army’s existing Army Tactical Missile...

nationalinterest.org

ATACMS are long range supersonic ship killers. On a mobile, airliftable, easy to hide launcher. They are needed for Taiwan and the pacific islands.



*and revealed the previously unknown capability of the system to stop some types of hyper-sonic missiles. I wonder if China had to toss their entire invasion plan in the recycle bin after that was revealed.

Even if ATACMS has an anti-shipping role under what scenario do you see the USA putting ATACMS in Taiwan prior to a PRC attack?

 

[Brovane]

Musk is fine with them using Starlink to launch attack missions, he just seems to be arbitrarily choosing which ones.

SpaceX setup geo-fencing around Russia and in the areas of Ukraine that Russia occupies.

Specifically Musk/SpaceX didn't want someone putting a Starlink dish on a drone and then sending it deep behind Russian lines (Like Crimea) and using the Starlink terminal mounted on a drone to attack targets. Want to use Starlink at the front lines to control drones in the local area np, want to use Starlink to request a artillery strike on a Orc position np. I suspect that if Ukraine asked the US for some Starlink terminals that the US controls the geo-fencing on and asked if they could put those terminals on some drones to target a airfield 200+ miles inside of Russia that the US would say no. However if Ukraine asked for US controlled terminals to put on drones to attack inside of Crimea the US would say yes.

 

[fskimospy]

SpaceX setup geo-fencing around Russia and in the areas of Ukraine that Russia occupies.

Specifically Musk/SpaceX didn't want someone putting a Starlink dish on a drone and then sending it deep behind Russian lines (Like Crimea) and using the Starlink terminal mounted on a drone to attack targets. Want to use Starlink at the front lines to control drones in the local area np, want to use Starlink to request an artillery strike on a Orc position np. I suspect that if Ukraine asked the US for some Starlink terminals that the US controls the geo-fencing on and asked if they could put those terminals on some drones to target a airfield 200+ miles inside of Russia that the US would say no. However if Ukraine asked for US controlled terminals to put on drones to attack inside of Crimea the US would say yes.

I get that but it seems like a pretty arbitrary distinction.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Uh big if true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700271181541130440

 

[rommelrommel]

It’s good, but giving them a dozen isn’t meaningful and I worry that’s what Biden will do. A hundred a month would be more like it.

 

[Indus]

Uh big if true

View attachment 85558

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700271181541130440

Hope its not a day late and a dollar short!

 

[kage69]

Lol - what do you think they do at the front lines, genius. They kill people, which is what you said he didn’t want it to be used for.

Ukraine has been using them to facilitate killing orcs from the start.

How can you be this inept. Maybe you really are Russian - fetal alcohol syndrome or something from that country of degenerates?

I remember musing that very possibility here several hundred pages ago, and in that time he's done nothing but validate the suspicion. Probably not getting paid. We may be dealing with something more... congenital with this one.

 

[K1052]

It’s good, but giving them a dozen isn’t meaningful and I worry that’s what Biden will do. A hundred a month would be more like it.

I’m reserving judgement till I see exactly what the plan is. An initial package of a dozen would be ok as long as they keep getting resupplied.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I’m reserving judgement till I see exactly what the plan is. An initial package of a dozen would be ok as long as they keep getting resupplied.

i think a dozen can work for one particular bridge .......