Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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The decision to accept this has to be Ukraine's because they have been paying in blood for Putin's Special Operation.
I completely agree. The victim of the invasion should get to determine their terms.

Ukraine will not give land to ‘occupiers’, says Zelensky

Meanwhile... looks like Trump will be slandering Ukraine and taking personal aim at Zelensky next.
I worry what our money and our influence can buy when paired with Russian interests, spies, and saboteurs.
When Ukraine says no to surrendering additional land FOR FREE, Trump will step in to attack Ukraine in some way.

And as he is a MAGA Nazi, it has always got to be a personal attack on the person. They only have one method, and its the same god damn thing every single time. Always a mask used to redirect attention away from the subject matter and the victims of MAGA's horrid inhumane policy. MAGA Nazis want their minions fixated on any person standing in the way of their goals. Never policy.
In this case, the policy is Trump is helping Russia take down Ukraine, Europe, NATO.
 

DZero

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I think Europe should start to make a paralel NATO but without USA and Russians lapdogs like Hungary and Slovak, heck, Trump is making too much to reach to the extremes to say that the current NATO is done if Trump decides to not to give the weapons that Europeans already gave the money to.

And despite the way how Spain answered to Trump's ideas... I'll take this part, which unexpectedly aged like fine wine.
The Spanish Ministry of Defense, which had initially approved the order in 2023 to replace aging Harrier and F-18 aircraft, now plans to redirect 85% of that defense spending into European defense projects. The government cited recent developments in NATO defense spending as the main reason behind the decision — a move that also serves as a pointed response to former US President Donald Trump’s push for NATO members to raise their defense budgets to 5% of GDP.

While Spain has pledged to commit 2% of its GDP to defense and recently approved a €10.47 billion military investment package, Sánchez’s government is now focusing that funding on European defense industries rather than American systems.
If Trump redirects the weapons to Ukraine back to the US, Europe should now pressure Trump to not to apply the same with the money given to them to buy weapons, at the same time Europe should start to fund to their own weapon program. If Trump decides to scam Europe, Europe should show they are not a joke.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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The peace process is all lies from Trump and his minions.

Russia's demand is STILL to abandon all 4 oblasts, minimum. Granting Russia a massive foothold on the other side of the river. For free.
It is complete and utter suicide. Europe needs more nuclear weapons. Yesterday. As it is clear that these lies only serve as propaganda for Russia, to get our people onboard under false pretenses.
MAGA Nazis are one and the same with Vlad the Butcher and Russia's genocidal crusade. Always have been. Always will be.

Trump's envoy Witkoff may have "misunderstood" Putin's demands regarding ceasefire in Ukraine – Bild

Bild reports that Russia has not abandoned its demand for complete control over Crimea and Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Kherson oblasts prior to any ceasefire, and has only agreed to a "sectoral" ceasefire.
However, in peace proposals leaked to the media Putin appeared willing to discuss a ceasefire after the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces only from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.
Bild’s sources say this could have been the result of Witkoff misinterpreting what Putin said about a "peaceful withdrawal" from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts: Russia is demanding the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from these oblasts, but Witkoff thought the proposal was for Russian troops to withdraw from there.
"Witkoff doesn't know what he's talking about," the German tabloid quotes an anonymous Ukrainian official as saying. According to Bild, it’s an assessment shared by "representatives of the German government".
 

DZero

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The peace process is all lies from Trump and his minions.

Russia's demand is STILL to abandon all 4 oblasts, minimum. Granting Russia a massive foothold on the other side of the river. For free.
It is complete and utter suicide. Europe needs more nuclear weapons. Yesterday. As it is clear that these lies only serve as propaganda for Russia, to get our people onboard under false pretenses.
MAGA Nazis are one and the same with Vlad the Butcher and Russia's genocidal crusade. Always have been. Always will be.

Trump's envoy Witkoff may have "misunderstood" Putin's demands regarding ceasefire in Ukraine – Bild

Bild reports that Russia has not abandoned its demand for complete control over Crimea and Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Kherson oblasts prior to any ceasefire, and has only agreed to a "sectoral" ceasefire.
However, in peace proposals leaked to the media Putin appeared willing to discuss a ceasefire after the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces only from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.
Bild’s sources say this could have been the result of Witkoff misinterpreting what Putin said about a "peaceful withdrawal" from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts: Russia is demanding the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from these oblasts, but Witkoff thought the proposal was for Russian troops to withdraw from there.
"Witkoff doesn't know what he's talking about," the German tabloid quotes an anonymous Ukrainian official as saying. According to Bild, it’s an assessment shared by "representatives of the German government".
Russia is winning time to pull the final strike: an attempt to get to Kiev, but also will attempt to get Belarus being fully annexed to Russia sooner than 2030 (estimated time when Lukashenko quits).