Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Ajay]

This guy should be no where near military contracts

Stop scheduling Military and NSA satellite programs that were going to use SpaceX. Make Elon burn some of his billions to keep the company alive. A little bit of shooting of our nose to spite our face, still - actions must have consequences.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Stop scheduling Military and NSA satellite programs that were going to use SpaceX. Make Elon burn some of his billions to keep the company alive. A little bit of shooting of our nose to spite our face, still - actions must have consequences.

I'd rather the US govt just 'encourage' the board to force musk to step down. SpaceX has done some truly amazing things, despite Musk I think we all realize now (rather than because of). Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Indus]

Dumb Russkie bot thinks Russkies are worth their weight in gold. But they're more of a cancer:

 

[Ajay]

I'd rather the US govt just 'encourage' the board to force musk to step down. SpaceX has done some truly amazing things, despite Musk I think we all realize now (rather than because of). Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Fair enough. Musk is a risk taker and a great salesman and has put his money were his mouth is. But he got over his skies, and then clued in the whole world by his irrational posts on Twitter. If the gov't can apply this kind of pressure - then yeah, go for it!

 

[Brovane]

Stop scheduling Military and NSA satellite programs that were going to use SpaceX. Make Elon burn some of his billions to keep the company alive. A little bit of shooting of our nose to spite our face, still - actions must have consequences.

Legally under Federal Acquisition Regulations they cannot just not contract with SpaceX because Musk is a A$$hat.

Practically as of right now SpaceX has the only US space launch vehicle that is certified for DOD launches that has openings for additional launches. The only other operational launch vehicle that is also certified uses Russian Booster engines and getting more rocket engines from Russia is kind of out of the question right now. The ULA Vulcan should have it's first flight by 2024 but even then it will take more time(+additional launches) for the LV to be certified for DOD launches.

I'd rather the US govt just 'encourage' the board to force musk to step down. SpaceX has done some truly amazing things, despite Musk I think we all realize now (rather than because of). Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Musk has majority voting control of SpaceX, he has something like 70%+ voting power. Unless Musk decides to stepdown the board cannot force him.

Legally as much as it sucks, SpaceX is allowed to set its Term of Service which included geo-fencing off areas of Russia like Crimea.

The US government has now purchased Starlink terminals for Ukraine that has the geo-fencing controlled by US government (Different TOS) as part of the contract with SpaceX. I wouldn't be surprised if the US government has set the geo-fencing on those terminals to preclude Ukraine from operating the terminals inside of Russia proper.

 

[Ajay]

Legally under Federal Acquisition Regulations they cannot just not contract with SpaceX because Musk is a A$$hat.

Practically as of right now SpaceX has the only US space launch vehicle that is certified for DOD launches that has openings for additional launches. The only other operational launch vehicle that is also certified uses Russian Booster engines and getting more rocket engines from Russia is kind of out of the question right now. The ULA Vulcan should have it's first flight by 2024 but even then it will take more time(+additional launches) for the LV to be certified for DOD launches.



Musk has majority voting control of SpaceX, he has something like 70%+ voting power. Unless Musk decides to stepdown the board cannot force him.

Legally as much as it sucks, SpaceX is allowed to set its Term of Service which included geo-fencing off areas of Russia like Crimea.

The US government has now purchased Starlink terminals for Ukraine that has the geo-fencing controlled by US government (Different TOS) as part of the contract with SpaceX. I wouldn't be surprised if the US government has set the geo-fencing on those terminals to preclude Ukraine from operating the terminals inside of Russia proper.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Do you realize how much you have drifted? Cause you gotta save face to some irrelevant dispiute on the interwebs? You've transitioned into to a full blown Goebbels-Disciple. You sure thats where you want to be?

I have ‘drifted’? This coming from someone who is upset Musk didn’t allow Ukraine to use Starlink technology to kill people, and equates that to Musk supporting ‘genocide’ and ‘abduction of children’.

‘Musk isn’t letting Ukraine use his satellites to kill people, so let’s get him removed from the board of his own company!’

I get that your pissed to see Ukraine is failing at its counteroffensive, but some of you guys are going off to the deep end with some of your hyperbole.


Want to know what real abduction and genocide looks like? Look no further than these kidnappers who salaries are all being paid by Joe Taxpayer:

https://x.com/narrative_hole/status/1699974053065363795?s=46

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The EU could take action of some sort.

 

[Brovane]

The EU could take action of some sort.

Because SpaceX did not allow Starlink terminals to be used in a way that violates the TOS?

 

[Pens1566]

Legally under Federal Acquisition Regulations they cannot just not contract with SpaceX because Musk is a A$$hat.

Practically as of right now SpaceX has the only US space launch vehicle that is certified for DOD launches that has openings for additional launches. The only other operational launch vehicle that is also certified uses Russian Booster engines and getting more rocket engines from Russia is kind of out of the question right now. The ULA Vulcan should have it's first flight by 2024 but even then it will take more time(+additional launches) for the LV to be certified for DOD launches.



Musk has majority voting control of SpaceX, he has something like 70%+ voting power. Unless Musk decides to stepdown the board cannot force him.

Legally as much as it sucks, SpaceX is allowed to set its Term of Service which included geo-fencing off areas of Russia like Crimea.

The US government has now purchased Starlink terminals for Ukraine that has the geo-fencing controlled by US government (Different TOS) as part of the contract with SpaceX. I wouldn't be surprised if the US government has set the geo-fencing on those terminals to preclude Ukraine from operating the terminals inside of Russia proper.

I'm sure they can find a loophole based on his admission to directly communicating with Putin.

 

[Brainonska511]

Even for a habitual liar this is remarkably dishonest.

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It's not SpaceX's job or place to police the actions of governments.

 

[fskimospy]

I have ‘drifted’? This coming from someone who is upset Musk didn’t allow Ukraine to use Starlink technology to kill people, and equates that to Musk supporting ‘genocide’ and ‘abduction of children’.

‘Musk isn’t letting Ukraine use his satellites to kill people, so let’s get him removed from the board of his own company!’

I get that your pissed to see Ukraine is failing at its counteroffensive, but some of you guys are going off to the deep end with some of your hyperbole.


Want to know what real abduction and genocide looks like? Look no further than these kidnappers who salaries are all being paid by Joe Taxpayer:

https://x.com/narrative_hole/status/1699974053065363795?s=46

I mean clearly human life means nothing to you as you support genocide so why do you care anyway?

More dead orcs on the pile!

 

[fskimospy]

Do you realize how much you have drifted? Cause you gotta save face to some irrelevant dispiute on the interwebs? You've transitioned into to a full blown Goebbels-Disciple. You sure thats where you want to be?

He hasn’t drifted at all. The lies change but the objective has always been the same. Back when he used to say he was in favor of peace it was intended to limit western support for Ukraine. When that didn’t work she shifted to ‘Ukraine can’t win’. When that turned out to be false and as Russia’s army continues to degrade he’s become angrier and more nakedly bloodthirsty. If Ukraine has a major breakthrough my prediction is he will start claiming they have to stop so Russia doesn’t start a nuclear war.

The most important thing to know is he doesn’t care about truth or lies and has never cared. For whatever reason he’s internalized the moral degeneracy of Russian culture.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Defending a criminal nation has to be a criminal act.

 

[Perknose]

Another tragic victim of this war:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700066777470824668

 

[K1052]

Because SpaceX did not allow Starlink terminals to be used in a way that violates the TOS?

Zooming out a bit if Musk personally is the arbiter of what does and does not constitute a violation it is going to be very hard if not impossible for Starlink to sell services to any other government besides the US. Even if something isn't a contractual violation Musk could unilaterally decide to do what he wants anyway and let that country just take him to court. No gov who can't literally walk into Hawthorne with guns and order SpaceX staff to turn stuff on is likely to sign a contract for essential services, military or otherwise.

At the end of the day he is a defense contractor despite his protestations and not behaving like one has implications for SpaceX's future. He seems to think this is a fence he can straddle at will but I think he's eventually going to find out that is not possible in some quite real terms.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Russia has now lost at least 2300 tanks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700198514976817557

@Young Grasshopper - Why is Russia still failing and losing ground?

 

[Zorba]

Because SpaceX did not allow Starlink terminals to be used in a way that violates the TOS?

You think if AT&T disrupted an American military operation in a way that blew its cover, all because the CEO wanted to interfere with international politics, anyone would give a shit about their TOS?

Elon has shown Starlink is a massive opsspec risk and should not be used by governments. It also has to make you wonder about the security of their other classified work.

 

[fskimospy]

Russia has now lost at least 2300 tanks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1700198514976817557

@Young Grasshopper - Why is Russia still failing and losing ground?

Although to be clear he should say it is comparable in *number* - Russian equipment is mostly junk.

 

[Brovane]

Zooming out a bit if Musk personally is the arbiter of what does and does not constitute a violation it is going to be very hard if not impossible for Starlink to sell services to any other government besides the US. Even if something isn't a contractual violation Musk could unilaterally decide to do what he wants anyway and let that country just take him to court. No gov who can't literally walk into Hawthorne with guns and order SpaceX staff to turn stuff on is likely to sign a contract for essential services, military or otherwise.

At the end of the day he is a defense contractor despite his protestations and not behaving like one has implications for SpaceX's future. He seems to think this is a fence he can straddle at will but I think he's eventually going to find out that is not possible in some quite real terms.

SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving control of geo-fencing to the US government that the US government then supplied those terminals to Ukraine.

You think if AT&T disrupted an American military operation in a way that blew its cover, all because the CEO wanted to interfere with international politics, anyone would give a shit about their TOS?

Elon has shown Starlink is a massive opsspec risk and should not be used by governments. It also has to make you wonder about the security of their other classified work.

It wasn't a American military operation was it? As I noted above SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving the US government control over the geo-fencing with those devices that where then given to Ukraine.

Do you remember in the beginning of the war how Russia was able to hack Viasat terminals and brick a lot of them used by Ukraine right when the war started? I would say dependence on any one commercial vendor for your communications is probably not the best policy.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

By contrast and just for giggles, is there a count of how many they lost in WWII ?

 

[Zorba]

SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving control of geo-fencing to the US government that the US government then supplied those terminals to Ukraine.




It wasn't a American military operation was it? As I noted above SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving the US government control over the geo-fencing with those devices that where then given to Ukraine.

Do you remember in the beginning of the war how Russia was able to hack Viasat terminals and brick a lot of them used by Ukraine right when the war started? I would say dependence on any one commercial vendor for your communications is probably not the best policy.

Not an American mission, so I guess you're saying you have no issue with Elon fucking over the Ukrainians.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Zooming out a bit if Musk personally is the arbiter of what does and does not constitute a violation it is going to be very hard if not impossible for Starlink to sell services to any other government besides the US. Even if something isn't a contractual violation Musk could unilaterally decide to do what he wants anyway and let that country just take him to court. No gov who can't literally walk into Hawthorne with guns and order SpaceX staff to turn stuff on is likely to sign a contract for essential services, military or otherwise.

At the end of the day he is a defense contractor despite his protestations and not behaving like one has implications for SpaceX's future. He seems to think this is a fence he can straddle at will but I think he's eventually going to find out that is not possible in some quite real terms.

Ya, cause staying out of wars is really going to hurt SpaceX’s bottom line going forward. I guess that’s why their valuation has gone from 30 billion to 150 billion in just 4 years.

I’d say the status quo is working just fine for them. Maybe your should speak with Elon and see if you can replace the him as the CEO, since you are so successful and running/growing companies and he’s just a charlatan who doesn’t know anything.

The Starlink contract with Ukraine states it is to be used for civilian/humanitarian uses, not military ones.

End of story.

 

[K1052]

SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving control of geo-fencing to the US government that the US government then supplied those terminals to Ukraine.

Selling service to the Pentagon is a long term cash cow. If they refused to contract for US military purposes that probably puts a huge dent in the company's future potential revenues. The US government could even command this legally at some point through the DPA or in the most extreme circumstances nationalize the company if need be. Not selling to the US government is not really an option. Selling service to other governments is and presents far more chances for Musk to meddle.

It wasn't a American military operation was it? As I noted above SpaceX had no problem selling Starlink services to the US government and giving the US government control over the geo-fencing with those devices that where then given to Ukraine.

Do you remember in the beginning of the war how Russia was able to hack Viasat terminals and brick a lot of them used by Ukraine right when the war started? I would say dependence on any one commercial vendor for your communications is probably not the best policy.

What I'm saying is the Starlink would likely not be considered a reliable service to bid. Redundant communications is a must but I doubt they'd even get a look at this point by a lot of nations given the Elon of it all.

 

[K1052]

Ya, cause staying out of wars is really going to hurt SpaceX’s bottom line going forward. I guess that’s why their valuation has gone from 30 billion to 150 billion in just 4 years.

I’d say the status quo is working just fine for them.

The Starlink contract with Ukraine states it is to be used for civilian/humanitarian uses, not military ones.

End of story.

Might want to learn the difference between market cap and revenue/profit. SpaceX sells lots of launch service to the military and the Pentagon is dabbling with Starlink use. They are a defense contractor and just because they launch civilian stuff too doesn't mean they aren't.

It is not accurate that Ukraine can't use Starlink for military purposes. The rub is that Musk seems to be personally and on a whim deciding the extent of those capabilities.