Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

[zinfamous]

Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

wtf is all this about, then?

 

[Sunburn74]

wtf is all this about, then?

Looks like complete hogwash to me.
Just look at Mueller's picture. Does he look like the stepping down from not doing my job type?

 

[Younigue]

wtf is all this about, then?

LOL Where is he even getting this from? Mueller's a hound from what I've read about him. There's no quit in the dude.

 

[Jhhnn]

Would you need a warrant if some of the communications were attorney-client privileged emails? Or does that not apply?

Not at this stage. They might not be admissible in court. Only a fool would use a govt supplied service to transmit data they didn't want the govt to have, anyway. Achieving attorney client privilege involves some due diligence.

Oops.

 

[zinfamous]

Rumor, pretty much the same as every news cycle for the press. I see no reason for and nothing to recommend to President Trump to get rid of Mueller, he's doing a pretty good job of imploding all by himself. Why stir the pot when your opponent is burning the soup?

For the first time, you're right about something: Trump is making this too easy for Mueller every time he tweets or opens his mouth.

It's fucking hilarious, the Dotard and his historic stupidity.

Best not to do anything, because it's just getting worse for the sentient coronary.

 

[zinfamous]

LOL Where is he even getting this from? Mueller's a hound from what I've read about him. There's no quit in the dude.

who knows. From what I gather from the ~3 completely lost-in-the-field committed right wingers and the handful of Russian bots that still hang around here, they are spending their evenings wetting their beds after spending their days shitting their pants.

...so crap like this is all that is left. I have no idea what happened to their minds, but it's fascinating how whatever was there before--presumably prior to ~2015--is completely absent at this point.

 

[soundforbjt]

For the first time, you're right about something: Trump is making this too easy for Mueller every time he tweets or opens his mouth.

It's fucking hilarious, the Dotard and his historic stupidity.

Best not to do anything, because it's just getting worse for the sentient coronary.

Stupid Watergate!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So it seems we all agree, Trump isn't going to fire Mueller anytime soon and this latest "rumor" is just so much more press bullshit.

 

[Jhhnn]

So it seems we all agree, Trump isn't going to fire Mueller anytime soon and this latest "rumor" is just so much more press bullshit.

He may yet. I figure it would do him more harm than good but it's not like he's really very astute when it comes to such things. He's one helluva con artist, no doubt, but those skills don't serve him in these circumstances.

The key to appearing to be innocent is to never let 'em see you sweat simply because honest people wouldn't be sweating under the circumstances. Trump & his Repub sycophants aren't doing that well at all. Quite the contrary.

 

[Younigue]

So it seems we all agree, Trump isn't going to fire Mueller anytime soon and this latest "rumor" is just so much more press bullshit.

LOL! If this is agreeing it's hysterical!

 

[Ackmed]

I don't know about firing at this point, unless there is more that we don't know. It is sad when the investigators need investigating though. Several issues are concerning. Seems the Russia investigation has turned up more on the FBI and friends than those who allegedly colluded with Russia from Trumps team.

I'm honestly tired of the entire thing. I wish anyone guilty of anything was exposed, punished and we could just move along. No matter who it is, but that is not likely to happen.

 

[Younigue]

I thought this was interesting.

"If President Trump fires Robert Mueller, he will be impeached. And he will deserve to be impeached." ~ Joe Walsh Tea bagger I mean Tea Party

 

[trenchfoot]

I'm picturing Mueller as Dirty Harry and Trump as that nutjob in that iconic scene with that famous dare being uttered by Callahan.

And of course, there's me yelling "Go for it! Go for it!" lol

 

[woolfe9998]

I bet if you looked at the personal communications of FBI members about say, a mob boss they were investigating they probably had some pretty poor thoughts about them. Disliking your target doesn’t mean you are unprofessional.

The thing is, our system is set up to be adversarial in this way. The prosecutors go after people as hard as they can, then it’s up to the courts to see if their case has merit. There’s obviously a limit to that where prosecutors can’t be deliberately manipulating evidence, etc, to get a desired outcome, but there’s literally no evidence of that happening here.

This 1000 times. I've said all this before, but I want to re-emphasize it. Before we even get to the adversarial process, indeed, it must be understood that we are in the domain of politics, where virtually every adult in the country has an opinion and some form of ideological stance.

Last I checked, 31% of Americans are registered democrats, 24% repubs and 42% independents. Most of the independents have a lean one way or the other. So the country is comprised of adults who are in the general ballpark of 50/50 left/right. In an investigation involving, what, 20 agents, you should expect about 10 dems/libs. Actually, if you want to look at the specific attitude toward Trump in the country - we're about 60/40 against/for on him. So assume 12 of the investigators are anti-Trump on average. If you adjust for the rumored conservative lean of the FBI, maybe we set it back to 10/10.

In any event, you get the point. Roughly half these agents are expected to have a low opinion of Trump before there is an investigation. Then once you have the investigation, Eski is correct - the process encourages its participants to increasingly view who they are investigating in a poor light. Attorney's do this as well to the opposing side in the next phase of the process. That's why we have defense attorneys as well. And of course juries and judges. Believe it or not, the system is actually pretty good. We tend to hear more about bad outcomes in the news.

Put simply, the fact that an agent or even several disliked Trump, even strongly, means exactly jack shit. As an argument for dismissing Mueller, it's tantamount to fraud because these people can't in good faith believe what they're saying. There is no justification whatsoever for not letting Mueller gather his evidence and submit it to the judicial system for evaluation and disposition. This is our process, and it's a pretty one.

I do hope this rumor turns out to be untrue. It's going to be very bad for the country otherwise.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The press drawing the public's attention to the thought of him doing so has drawn their ire and would add to his already dismal ratings. Go free press!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not at this stage. They might not be admissible in court. Only a fool would use a govt supplied service to transmit data they didn't want the govt to have, anyway. Achieving attorney client privilege involves some due diligence.

Oops.

My understanding is that AC privilege is not always inviolate. If a client is seeking advice on a legal matter that is one thing but if the commit is how to get away with committing a crime then the attorney would be complicit in the crime if he or she helped. If not it's still not privileged because of the client's criminal intent.

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But inconsistent with an intent to fire Mueller.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But om doing something stupid. with an intent to fire Mueller.

I think that it’s his lawyers blowing smoke up trump’s ass. They’re lying to him to keep him from doing something stupid.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But inconsistent with an intent to fire Mueller.

I think that it’s his lawyers blowing smoke up trump’s ass. They’re lying to him to keep him f

Problem is its Trump, what will his mood be later today or tonight or early in the AM?

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But inconsistent with an intent to fire Mueller.

Maybe he's going through one of the classic stages of grieving and he's finally accepted his fate that he's going to get what's coming to him? I mean sure, knowing Trump, that could be a very temporary kind of thing what with his well known mood swings and all but one can hope.

edit - Fanatical beat me to it!

 

[woolfe9998]

Problem is its Trump, what will his mood be later today or tonight or early in the AM?

Are you suggesting that Trump perhaps was going to fire Mueller but because of his mercurial nature he has now shifted his mood overnight and now wants to wait for "exoneration" which he thinks is coming soon? The thing is, we've been hearing from Trump and his lawyers for awhile now that he thinks he'll be exonerated and that the investigation will be completed soon. I'm just observing that what this article reports to be his mood is totally inconsistent with the rumor of him intending to fire Mueller. I tend to doubt that rumor.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But inconsistent with an intent to fire Mueller.

It will be interesting to see how his tone changes after his lawyers meet with Mueller's team this week. I doubt that Donald will get the Christmas present he wants.

 

[zinfamous]

I think that it’s his lawyers blowing smoke up trump’s ass. They’re lying to him to keep him from doing something stupid.

agreed

 

[Maxima1]

Trump firing Mueller seems incompatible with the latest reporting on Trump's state of mind:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/trump-russia-investigation/index.html

Basically, that says that Trump has shifted from being very agitated over the investigation to assuring his people that Mueller will soon finish and exonerate him in writing. It's delusional, of course. But inconsistent with an intent to fire Mueller.

His lawyers are suppose to meet with Mueller soon. They're just feeding him BS right now, but Trump is going to be seething mad once he finds out it's not going to stop.

(CNN) President Donald Trump's private lawyers are slated to meet with special counsel Robert Mueller and members of his team as soon as next week for what the President's team considers an opportunity to gain a clearer understanding of the next steps in Mueller's probe, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Also, just in:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-rosenstein-a-threat-to-his-presidency-report

Trump privately calling Rosenstein a threat to his presidency: report

 

[soundforbjt]

It will be interesting to see how his tone changes after his lawyers meet with Mueller's team this week. I doubt that Donald will get the Christmas present he wants.

That’ll be the real test, his lawyers are telling him it’s all going to be over at the first of the year. When they meet with Mueller and find out how bad it is, what are they going to tell Trump to placate hiim?