Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

[dank69]

Are you suggesting that Trump perhaps was going to fire Mueller but because of his mercurial nature he has now shifted his mood overnight and now wants to wait for "exoneration" which he thinks is coming soon? The thing is, we've been hearing from Trump and his lawyers for awhile now that he thinks he'll be exonerated and that the investigation will be completed soon. I'm just observing that what this article reports to be his mood is totally inconsistent with the rumor of him intending to fire Mueller. I tend to doubt that rumor.

Let's not forget that Trump lies for no reason at all. Saying he thinks he'll be exonerated could just be him trying to buff his image with the public. If he were to fire Mueller I'm sure he'd tell everyone he didn't want to do it but Republican Congress told him that it had to be done. Then the second he hears someone say it was a good thing he'll try to take credit for the decision. Basically the same thing that happened with Comey.

 

[woolfe9998]

Let's not forget that Trump lies for no reason at all. Saying he thinks he'll be exonerated could just be him trying to buff his image with the public. If he were to fire Mueller I'm sure he'd tell everyone he didn't want to do it but Republican Congress told him that it had to be done. Then the second he hears someone say it was a good thing he'll try to take credit for the decision. Basically the same thing that happened with Comey.

I think Trump says "I'll be exonerated" behind closed doors because he's in a delusional bubble. He tends to think that no matter what he's done, he'll always get away with it. In other words, he may just actually believe it. And as someone suggested above, his lawyer's may be encouraging him to believe it.

 

[woolfe9998]

His lawyers are suppose to meet with Mueller soon. They're just feeding him BS right now, but Trump is going to be seething mad once he finds out it's not going to stop.

Sure, but the rumor that he's currently planning to fire Mueller is totally inconsistent with all of that. Perhaps he decides he wants to fire him after that meeting. But right now we are addressing the rumor of current intent which is the basis of this thread.

(CNN) President Donald Trump's private lawyers are slated to meet with special counsel Robert Mueller and members of his team as soon as next week for what the President's team considers an opportunity to gain a clearer understanding of the next steps in Mueller's probe, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Also, just in:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-rosenstein-a-threat-to-his-presidency-report

Trump privately calling Rosenstein a threat to his presidency: report

Could be, but it says nothing about his intent to fire Rosenstein or anyone else.

 

[Maxima1]

Sure, but the rumor that he's currently planning to fire Mueller is totally inconsistent with all of that. Perhaps he decides he wants to fire him after that meeting. But right now we are addressing the rumor of current intent which is the basis of this thread.

The rumor was about when we already knew about the meeting they were going to set up. His intent would be to fire if it's not concluded. I don't see what's inconsistent?

Could be, but it says nothing about his intent to fire Rosenstein or anyone else.

Not saying it does, but Trump has given multiple signals that it's plausible.

And as someone suggested above, his lawyer's may be encouraging him to believe it.

They are. They've already suggested other dates (Thanksgiving) that it would have been done.

 

[sandorski]

Let's not forget that Trump lies for no reason at all. Saying he thinks he'll be exonerated could just be him trying to buff his image with the public. If he were to fire Mueller I'm sure he'd tell everyone he didn't want to do it but Republican Congress told him that it had to be done. Then the second he hears someone say it was a good thing he'll try to take credit for the decision. Basically the same thing that happened with Comey.

I suspect so too. He's likely just doing a setup.

 

[woolfe9998]

The rumor was about when we already knew about the meeting they were going to set up. His intent would be to fire if it's not concluded. I don't see what's inconsistent?

The OP's article quotes Jackie Speier as follows:

The rumor on the Hill when I left yesterday was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week. And on Dec. 22, when we are out of D.C., he was going to fire Robert Mueller," Speier told California's KQED News.

It's pretty clear that this rumor was of an intent to fire, not to wait and see and then maybe fire him. So yes, it's incompatible with what CNN is reporting to be his current state of mind.

They are. They've already suggested other dates (Thanksgiving) that it would have been done.

None of which suggests he's going to fire Mueller. He very well might. But the rumors we've heard so far are not that persuasive.

 

[Younigue]

That’ll be the real test, his lawyers are telling him it’s all going to be over at the first of the year. When they meet with Mueller and find out how bad it is, what are they going to tell Trump to placate hiim?

That he's pretty? <--- that made me gag just thinking about it.

 

[woolfe9998]

That’ll be the real test, his lawyers are telling him it’s all going to be over at the first of the year. When they meet with Mueller and find out how bad it is, what are they going to tell Trump to placate hiim?

Oh, I'm sure they'll come up with something. Lawyers are good at that. They may tell him that Mueller said the investigation would not end soon, but so far he has no evidence directly implicating Trump in anything. They may have to twist Mueller's words a bit, but they'll placate him somehow. No one who works for Trump can survive without learning how to coddle him.

 

[trenchfoot]

It may appear that Trump has the ability to preserve some sense of credibility in his words even though we all know he is an habitual liar. It may also appear that in the fog that his constant lying creates and sustains, his lies are being taken as the truth by his supporters and laughed at by others who know better, but there are also those that exist between the two and those are the ones that allow Trump to get away with so much shit that it looks as if he is actually for the most part believable.

His words do carry the weight of the office he holds and that may be why some folks tend to believe him or at least want to believe him out a false sense of patriotism or some other round-about rationale being put in play.

Point being, Trump has this habit of skipping the reasoning processes we all possess to some degree or another where whatever comes to his mind will instantly come out of his mouth no forethought involved at all. Then the inevitable backtracking and walk-backs have to be employed by his surrogates with Trump stubbornly sticking to what he originally said in his attempt to preserve some sense of awareness, knowledge and validity of his ramblings. Repeat ad nauseum.

He reminds me of those many authoritarians high and low that I've had to deal with who believe their status allows them to shout down any and all objections and/or counterpoints that disagree or disprove their words or actions. Invariably, these guys end up making fools of themselves.

However, the image they see themselves as will allow them to ignore the damage they've caused themselves as they've convinced themselves they are so high in authority as to make them immune from their own words and actions.

I've seen this firsthand too many times for it to be coincidental.

Trump is a classic case and also a barrier breaker in this regard.

 

[Younigue]

Oh, I'm sure they'll come up with something. Lawyers are good at that. They may tell him that Mueller said the investigation would not end soon, but so far he has no evidence directly implicating Trump in anything. They may have to twist Mueller's words a bit, but they'll placate him somehow. No one who works for Trump can survive without learning how to coddle him.

I'd like to think you're wrong. I want to believe and hope that Mueller does have loads of evidence and that they are just sifting through it. Call me an optimist.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'd like to think you're wrong. I want to believe and hope that Mueller does have loads of evidence and that they are just sifting through it. Call me an optimist.

I wasn't commenting on what evidence Mueller has. I was commenting on how Trump's lawyers might spin whatever Mueller tells them in order to placate Trump. I'm not even sure Mueller would share all the evidence he has with Trump's lawyers.

 

[Perknose]

I suspect so too. He's likely just doing a setup.

Call me a pessimist, but all this sounds like a set-up before Trump fires Mueller. After all, who's really going to stop him? I believe Rosenstein won't do his bidding, so he'd have to do his own Saturday Night Massacre of firings until he found someone in the AG office who would. But if Mueller's investigation gets too close to threatening Trump or his clan with indictments, I believe this impulsive man-child with strong authoritarian tendencies will do just about anything to stop that.

. . . And that he believes he'd get away with it. After all, this is the guy who publicly said he could shoot someone in Times Square and skate.

 

[yllus]

He won't fire Mueller. The game plan is to discontinue by anything that comes up from the FBI or Justice Department as horribly biased, and that gives the Republican Congress enough air cover to not act on impeachment. Why bother firing if nothing will come of it anyways?

Hell, by pointing at the FBI as the new bad guys, maybe he'll get even more votes in 2020.

 

[Maxima1]

The OP's article quotes Jackie Speier as follows:

It's pretty clear that this rumor was of an intent to fire, not to wait and see and then maybe fire him. So yes, it's incompatible with what CNN is reporting to be his current state of mind.

i don't know if that one-liner response should be taken as is. Everyone also says "fire Mueller". The aspect of the meeting, which occurs around the same time could have been left out. The CNN article about his state of mind also suggests he could lose his **** over the meeting. Also, I know it's just a "rumor". Dec. 22 could easily come and nothing happens.

None of which suggests he's going to fire Mueller. He very well might. But the rumors we've heard so far are not that persuasive.

I was just responding to you that we know that is what his lawyers are doing. They know the investigation wasn't going to end by Thanksgiving or the other dates they have fed to Donnie.

 

[zinfamous]

His lawyers are suppose to meet with Mueller soon. They're just feeding him BS right now, but Trump is going to be seething mad once he finds out it's not going to stop.

(CNN) President Donald Trump's private lawyers are slated to meet with special counsel Robert Mueller and members of his team as soon as next week for what the President's team considers an opportunity to gain a clearer understanding of the next steps in Mueller's probe, according to sources familiar with the matter.

Also, just in:

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-rosenstein-a-threat-to-his-presidency-report

Trump privately calling Rosenstein a threat to his presidency: report

The only threat to Donald Trump's presidency is Donald Trump

 

[Younigue]

Not the only, the biggest threat.

 

[dawp]

I honestly hope he does as that will likely be the beginning of the end of trumps reign.

and I think he's dumb enough to ignore advice and do it anyways.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I honestly hope he does as that will likely be the beginning of the end of trumps reign.

and I think he's dumb enough to ignore advice and do it anyways.

I'm surprised that he doesn't tweet that the California wildfires are the greatest thing to happen to them since sliced bread followed by organized religion saying they're God's judgement for allowing the gays..

 

[DisarmedDespot]

I look forward to FIVR's prediction of Mueller's firing to be just as wrong as his predictions of the Las Vegas shooter being ISIS, the Mueller probe focusing on Democrats and a war with North Korea starting soon.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I look forward to FIVR's prediction of Mueller's firing to be just as wrong as his predictions of the Las Vegas shooter being ISIS, the Mueller probe focusing on Democrats and a war with North Korea starting soon.

It was actually making the rounds on MSM so there are several outlets talking about it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Only 4 more days to go! lol

 

[trenchfoot]

That he's pretty? <--- that made me gag just thinking about it.

That made me think of that famous quote by Bender (Futurama): "Looks like father time took a bat to his face."

 

[Jhhnn]

I wasn't commenting on what evidence Mueller has. I was commenting on how Trump's lawyers might spin whatever Mueller tells them in order to placate Trump. I'm not even sure Mueller would share all the evidence he has with Trump's lawyers.

Prosecutors don't engage in full disclosure to opposing counsel until after charges are finalized & filed. This is a little different but the same principles apply. It's a courtesy for them to meet with Trump's lawyers at all.

 

[Zorba]

I honestly hope he does as that will likely be the beginning of the end of trumps reign.

and I think he's dumb enough to ignore advice and do it anyways.

I can't believe how many people think this congress will actually act. There is zero chance this congress impeaches and convicts Trump for firing Mueller. I have a hard time believing they would even with solid evidence that he was in bed with the Russians, but no way in hell they will for anything less than that. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional and has much too high of an opinion of republican's integrity.

 

[Stokely]

I think that 99% of politicians would realize that doing exactly what Nixon did would be political suicide.

But this is Trump. He's already done and said things many times that would have ended careers (anyone remember Dukakis on the tank, and Dean's yell? Those wouldn't even be a blip on Trump's radar).

Trump is a vindictive child who has been the big fish in small ponds his whole life...he surrounds himself with yes men like many (bad) managers. So I think it's entirely possible that he fires Mueller (via Sat. night massacre v2). Who will dare tell him it's a bad move?

And is it a bad move? I think he might get away with it. Congressworms constantly show they have no spine unless 1) they are about to die or retire or 2) it might affect their reelection chances. So it will boil down to this: Will the members of Congress deem that the public--including many GOP supporters--would be sufficiently angry over this that they will suffer for it in 2018/2020? I think unfortunately that is an open question. I believe the core GOP supporters in much of this country will be just fine with Mueller being fired.