Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Republican response to this investigation is descending into panic and hysteria at this point. They are throwing everything they can think of at Mueller in a desperate attempt to discredit him because it seems like they think what he’s going to find will be really bad.

Mueller cannot hire or fire based on politics according to what is permitted by law and regulation. It would be absolutely against policy to decide to take anyone on board with that in mind.

 

[fskimospy]

Mueller cannot hire or fire based on politics according to what is permitted by law and regulation. It would be absolutely against policy to decide to take anyone on board with that in mind.

It’s a really scary argument when you think about it. Republicans are essentially arguing for a partisan purge of the FBI and the special counsel. The idea that the president can’t be investigated by people who don’t like him runs against everything our legal system is based on.

 

[Jaskalas]

It’s a really scary argument when you think about it. Republicans are essentially arguing for a partisan purge of the FBI and the special counsel. The idea that the president can’t be investigated by people who don’t like him runs against everything our legal system is based on.

I agree, but such feelings from Republicans are naturally derived from our hyper partisan society. We are fractured to the point of beginning real, lasting, damage. As evidenced by the idea that only party members belong in justice.

OTOH, those are some very partisan comments Republicans have concerns with. Is it considered normal for investigators to be actively gunning for their target, on a personal grudge / hatred level? I can see a standard where impartiality is being called for. I suppose we don't know what that looks like anymore. I mean, who isn't tweeting personal seething hatred for Trump unless they voted Republican?

Can a hyper partisan society maintain an impartial justice system?

 

[fskimospy]

I agree, but such feelings from Republicans are naturally derived from our hyper partisan society. We are fractured to the point of beginning real, lasting, damage. As evidenced by the idea that only party members belong in justice.

OTOH, those are some very partisan comments Republicans have concerns with. Is it considered normal for investigators to be actively gunning for their target, on a personal grudge / hatred level? I can see a standard where impartiality is being called for. I suppose we don't know what that looks like anymore. I mean, who isn't tweeting personal seething hatred for Trump unless they voted Republican?

I bet if you looked at the personal communications of FBI members about say, a mob boss they were investigating they probably had some pretty poor thoughts about them. Disliking your target doesn’t mean you are unprofessional.

The thing is, our system is set up to be adversarial in this way. The prosecutors go after people as hard as they can, then it’s up to the courts to see if their case has merit. There’s obviously a limit to that where prosecutors can’t be deliberately manipulating evidence, etc, to get a desired outcome, but there’s literally no evidence of that happening here.

If Republicans can show actual misconduct I will be the first person to join them in condemning how the investigation is being conducted. If they can’t, they need to shut up.

Can a hyper partisan society maintain an impartial justice system?

This is one of the biggest dangers of what Republicans are doing right now. They are trying to infuse partisanship into criminal investigations. They might succeed in convincing the public that the FBI can no longer be trusted, but they will inflict so much damage on our country. Sadly I think they just don’t care.

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is one of the biggest dangers of what Republicans are doing right now. They are trying to infuse partisanship into criminal investigations. They might succeed in convincing the public that the FBI can no longer be trusted, but they will inflict so much damage on our country. Sadly I think they just don’t care.

but at least their team will "win" :roll:

 

[Jhhnn]

So, when the Special Counsel replaced Strzok barely 2 months into the investigation, last July, that's somehow a bad thing? It seems to me that was done to remove any hint of impropriety or bias.

Firing Mueller would be an act of desperation & basically an admission of guilt. Trumpsters might go for it, but they're only 28% of eligible voters.

 

[Puffnstuff]

So, when the Special Counsel replaced Strzok barely 2 months into the investigation, last July, that's somehow a bad thing? It seems to me that was done to remove any hint of impropriety or bias.

Firing Mueller would be an act of desperation & basically an admission of guilt. Trumpsters might go for it, but they're only 28% of eligible voters.

That might actually be a trigger for something bigger and better like a mass exodus from the republitard party.

 

[m8d]

LOL, such an easy mark. I need to start a right wing nutjob blog to draw in fools like this and rake in mountains of ad revenue, because there are apparently a whole lot of rubes willing to lick this garbage up.

Pro tip: Mueller ain't stepping down.

Conservatism is a racket and the base are the marks.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Fake news, even though the president can legally do this.

It's good that you found some new friends. Too bad that they're Russian.

 

[theeedude]

Read up on Mueller. He is one tough cookie. GOP has a suicide wish picking a war with the FBI.
https://www.military.com/daily-news...-is-investigating-russian-meddling-in-us.html

Mueller would earn the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry in his time in Vietnam. The citation for his Bronze Star said that during an attack on his rifle platoon, "2nd Lt. Mueller fearlessly moved from one position to another, directing the accurate counterfire of his men and shouting words of encouragement to them."
During the firefight on Dec. 11, 1968, Mueller "personally led a fire team across the fire-swept terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine who had fallen in a position forward of the friendly lines," the citation said.

Mr "bone spurs" better measure up if he wants to mess around with real men.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Rumor, pretty much the same as every news cycle for the press. I see no reason for and nothing to recommend to President Trump to get rid of Mueller, he's doing a pretty good job of imploding all by himself. Why stir the pot when your opponent is burning the soup?

 

[fskimospy]

Rumor, pretty much the same as every news cycle for the press. I see no reason for and nothing to recommend to President Trump to get rid of Mueller, he's doing a pretty good job of imploding all by himself. Why stir the pot when your opponent is burning the soup?

It’s amazing that you guys have convinced yourselves of this.

What a weird bubble to be in.

 

[theeedude]

It's conservative echo chamber going nuts, and everyone else watching it from the sidelines wondering what meds they are on.

 

[mikeymikec]

It’s amazing that you guys have convinced yourselves of this.

It's probably what happens when one's only news source is https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

 

[fleshconsumed]

It’s amazing that you guys have convinced yourselves of this.

What a weird bubble to be in.

It's conservative echo chamber going nuts, and everyone else watching it from the sidelines wondering what meds they are on.

Thing is these people have political weight, they still put all the GOP in congress. You can laugh at them for living in a bubble, but sadly they hold all the power and there is nothing really stopping them from drumming up rhetoric that will eventually be used to justify removing Mueller.

 

[theeedude]

Thing is these people have political weight, they still put all the GOP in congress. You can laugh at them for living in a bubble, but sadly they hold all the power and there is nothing really stopping them from drumming up rhetoric that will eventually be used to justify removing Mueller.

A wave is coming in 2018. If Trump fires Mueller, the wave will turn into a Tsunami. If GOP loses any house of Congress, the investigations will start in earnest, Republican malfeasance will be exposed, and then 2020 will be an even bigger disaster for the GOP. If 2020 is a disaster for GOP, post census redistricting will be done by increasingly Democrat legislatures, undoing Republican Gerrymanders and doing some of their own, meaning the House will tilt to the left for the entire 2020s. Republicans are playing dangerous games, they should realize they are playing for keeps.

 

[Thebobo]

Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Mueller is going to Kick ass. What's up in the air is how Trumps going to spin it in an attempt to save his tiny ding a ling. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Trump has been running not just a sloppy government he assembled a team of fired and indicted individuals and it appears he may they all have broken the law through their attempts to block the investigation.

Now, the FOX news will absolutely spin his kicking ass down as him being smart. I have no clue about anything. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the FOX Hannity media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Here I fixed it for you, welcome.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Thing is these people have political weight, they still put all the GOP in congress. You can laugh at them for living in a bubble, but sadly they hold all the power and there is nothing really stopping them from drumming up rhetoric that will eventually be used to justify removing Mueller.

We can easily see in 5 days just how accurate this story is....... errr rumor i mean.

 

[Jhhnn]

Conservatism is a racket and the base are the marks.

It's like Stockholm Syndrome, battered spouse syndrome & Munchausen by proxy all rolled into one.

I mean, don't you feel sorry for rich people who pay such yuge taxes? Imagine paying 30%! It's horrifying!

Well, not really if I were making $150K/month, the entry level to the top .1% in 2013. The richest Americans measure their incomes in $100M's/year & pay a lot less than that-

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-400-highest-earning-americans-very-very-good-year/

Let's ease their burden with a tax cut, shall we?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Rumor, pretty much the same as every news cycle for the press. I see no reason for and nothing to recommend to President Trump to get rid of Mueller, he's doing a pretty good job of imploding all by himself. Why stir the pot when your opponent is burning the soup?

This rumor came from a Congresswoman, not the laundry attendant. Mueller has a trove of legally obtained emails which seems to have people terrified and making baseless claims of criminal acquisition. The implosion you speak is a contrived false scenario that you might sign onto, but no material fact of substance can show anything but a tempest in a teapot, a distraction from serious matters as Mr. Flynn could attest.

 

[Ken g6]

Oh, God, I think I know how this will go. Or, rather, how Trump thinks it will go...

In the beginning Trump became President.

And his presidency was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the Trump.

And Trump said, "I have a bright idea!" And there was an idea. To fire Mueller.

And Trump thought about this idea, and knew that it was huge!

And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

And Trump made the parchment, dividing the Mueller from his investigation, and it was so drawn up. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

And Trump said, "Let the papers relating to the investigation be gathered together unto one place, and let the truth disappear." And it was so.

And Trump said, "Let us put forth grass, marijuana, as a target for the Justice Department, to distract the people." And it was so.

And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

And Trump said, "Let there be lights upon the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton."

And Trump made two great lights, the lesser upon Benghazi, and the greater upon her emails.

And Trump set them in the Justice Department, to distract the people.

And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

And Trump said, "Let it be known that Mueller is going on a fishing expedition, and that the stench of his failure is fowl."[sic]

And there was much debate about his covfefe words.

And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

And on the sixth day Trump fired Mueller.

And on the seventh day Trump played golf.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I agree, but such feelings from Republicans are naturally derived from our hyper partisan society. We are fractured to the point of beginning real, lasting, damage. As evidenced by the idea that only party members belong in justice.

OTOH, those are some very partisan comments Republicans have concerns with. Is it considered normal for investigators to be actively gunning for their target, on a personal grudge / hatred level? I can see a standard where impartiality is being called for. I suppose we don't know what that looks like anymore. I mean, who isn't tweeting personal seething hatred for Trump unless they voted Republican?

Can a hyper partisan society maintain an impartial justice system?

The problem is that you think this is some new thing. They have been orchestrating this for going on 50+ years. Basically since the end of WWII. We're seeing the damage already, and have been for decades in fact. Yet we have people just now going "oh shit, what the fuck is going on?". Which, its ok to admit ignorance. I know I was for far too long about this shit.

Yes. Weird that you don't seem to take much issue with the far more prevalent amount of insanely partisan shit that Turmp and various Republicans have been saying about...well pretty much all American agencies. The one is the natural result of the other. The fact that, in spite of them being quite aware of what was going on as it was going on (perhaps not exactly the meetings, but the overall Russian meddling), that they waited until Turmp and his cronies were basically openly bragging about it, before actually doing jack shit, I think shows if anything, they're being pretty goddamn lenient on them. Hell, J Edgar probably would have Turmp sucking his dick while Ivanka helps him pick out some matching shoes to match his dresses, if given the opportunity to have this amount of leverage against the sitting President.

Wait, you thought we had an impartial justice system?

It's conservative echo chamber going nuts, and everyone else watching it from the sidelines wondering what meds they aren't taking.

Fixed that for you.

A wave is coming in 2018. If Trump fires Mueller, the wave will turn into a Tsunami. If GOP loses any house of Congress, the investigations will start in earnest, Republican malfeasance will be exposed, and then 2020 will be an even bigger disaster for the GOP. If 2020 is a disaster for GOP, post census redistricting will be done by increasingly Democrat legislatures, undoing Republican Gerrymanders and doing some of their own, meaning the House will tilt to the left for the entire 2020s. Republicans are playing dangerous games, they should realize they are playing for keeps.

You're far more optimistic than I. Don't get me wrong, I expect gains, but until America actually does that, I remain skeptical.

One reason is Kansas. People point out how its been the test bed for the national plan of the GOP. And the thing is, Kansans saw what was going on and they were quite pissed about it. So guess what they did? Voted overhwelmingly Republican, even at the state level (they gave up a bit in the House, but still have 2/3, and will probably be back to ~4/5 like they were given a couple of years). The damage the GOP is doing will take time to full manifest. And the fact that it doesn't immediately cause the sky to fall actually makes those idiots more likely to go "ah, it was all sensationalist media bullshit", which makes them believe the sensationalist bullshit that right wingers spew instead for some fucking stupidass reason.

 

[Maxima1]

One reason is Kansas. People point out how its been the test bed for the national plan of the GOP. And the thing is, Kansans saw what was going on and they were quite pissed about it. So guess what they did? Voted overhwelmingly Republican, even at the state level (they gave up a bit in the House, but still have 2/3, and will probably be back to ~4/5 like they were given a couple of years). The damage the GOP is doing will take time to full manifest. And the fact that it doesn't immediately cause the sky to fall actually makes those idiots more likely to go "ah, it was all sensationalist media bullshit", which makes them believe the sensationalist bullshit that right wingers spew instead for some fucking stupidass reason.

We can somewhat fix **** up with a gerrymandering solution. However, I'm concerned about the Senate. You have all these smallass states that are rural dumps, and it's likely to get worse through the decades. CA will be like 100:1 in comparison to the smallest state, yet there is no limit to the disproportionately in the Senate. Then these dumbfucks watching Fox and eating up Sinclair will buy into the new faces in the Republican party despite it all being the same crap over and over again.

 

[Sunburn74]

I bet if you looked at the personal communications of FBI members about say, a mob boss they were investigating they probably had some pretty poor thoughts about them. Disliking your target doesn’t mean you are unprofessional.

If that were the case, throw out every conviction for murderers and drug dealers and rapists because the arresting officers have a prior strong even unchangeable dislike of such people and were clearly out to get them from the get go.

 

[Heinz Dahler]

I have seen everyone on the right thinking this is the right thing to do and being very supportive because of the letters and texts of bias in the last month.

COME ON, are you idiots? You knew that if he ever get anywhere he'd get thrown out.

Trump is never to be challenged and all of his supporters fully agree on this.