Republicans in Arizona attempting mass voter fraud with the 2020 ballots.

[nickqt]

They probably don’t even know enough to know that there is something to be concerned about.

That‘s a failing, and one that bad people can take advantage of, and when the bad people are getting close to having the numbers to do bad things it’s much more dangerous, but what good is it to blame people who just don’t know?

I mean, do they "not know", or do they not care? 43% of Americans are either OK with it, or "don't know". What percentage of Americans went and pulled the lever for Trump after having lived from 2017-2021?

That's why I don't just pass them off as "bystanders". Most likely they're the kind of people who see how shit is going, and join the "winning" team to try to get credit for it. And in this case, the "winning team" is a bunch of fascists. So, how much is it that they "don't know", as much as they just "don't care" because they're probably automatic members of the in-group already?

Yes, it's terrible to be complacent when democracy is threatened. But 10% fewer who "support" means almost 25% fewer active supporters of it (43% v. 33%), be the support in word or in deed. Which is why I reject the notion of lumping them together. Because I'd rather have someone be complacent than to blather out conspiracy theories over social media or else do worse, like on 1/6.

Ideally in a democracy everyone gives a damn. But reality says otherwise.

Fair enough. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I think it's a mistake to assume that the 10% you're talking about won't just be "Good Americans" once the fascists take power, the way millions of "Good Germans" just carried on with their lives in the mid 30s.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I mean, do they "not know", or do they not care? 43% of Americans are either OK with it, or "don't know". What percentage of Americans went and pulled the lever for Trump after having lived from 2017-2021?

That's why I don't just pass them off as "bystanders". Most likely they're the kind of people who see how shit is going, and join the "winning" team to try to get credit for it. And in this case, the "winning team" is a bunch of fascists. So, how much is it that they "don't know", as much as they just "don't care" because they're probably automatic members of the in-group already?

Fair enough. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I think it's a mistake to assume that the 10% you're talking about won't just be "Good Americans" once the fascists take power, the way millions of "Good Germans" just carried on with their lives in the mid 30s.

Out of all votes cast in the election (about 155 Million), 48% voted for the lying piece of shit. So 43% being "okay with it" should be of no surprise (It's an indication of just how stupid the people of this nation are) . If this was a game of lemmings, all those fuckers would have already jumped to their deaths and the game would be over already.

 

[soundforbjt]

Meanwhile, in Michigan…

Michigan Republicans eviscerate Trump voter fraud claims in scathing report

The report blasts "lies" and "outright deception" that formed the basis of many claims of election malfeasance in the state.

www.nbcnews.com

In a highly anticipated report released Wednesday, the Republican-led Michigan Senate Oversight Committee rebutted former President Donald Trump's voter fraud claims, debunking allegations of malfeasance in the state's election last fall and affirming that Joe Biden was victorious.

The report is the product of an eight-month inquiry and concludes there was no basis or evidence to support the Trump campaign's repeated claims that the election results failed to reflect the will of the voters.

Check this word salad: “As is often the case, the truth is not as attractive or as immediately desirable as the lies and the lies contain elements of truth," state Sen. Ed McBroom, the Republican chairman of the committee that investigated the election, said in a statement that accompanied the report.

Yet they (repubs in the legislature) still believe that new voter laws should be passed and that maybe an Arizona type audit should be done there.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yet they (repubs in the legislature) still believe that new voter laws should be passed and that maybe an Arizona type audit should be done there.

Just not beating head against wall hard enough, eh?. They are Fn nuts, period, at this point.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yet they (repubs in the legislature) still believe that new voter laws should be passed and that maybe an Arizona type audit should be done there.

The GOP apparently believes the fewer people who vote the better it is for them so they try to make it that way. Their "election security" schtick is completely bogus but they manage to sell it somehow. It's a big fat lie leading up to the stolen election lie.

Five states vote almost entirely by mail & drop box. If those systems were insecure we'd already know it.

 

[cytg111]

First they'll take your voting rights away, then when you take to the streets to protest ...

A Trump supporter could be the first Floridian prosecuted under Ron DeSantis' new anti-protest law - Salon.com

Florida Republicans may soon see their latest stunt backfire in their faces

www.salon.com

It sounds more and more like Russia.

 

[rommelrommel]

The GOP apparently believes the fewer people who vote the better it is for them so they try to make it that way. Their "election security" schtick is completely bogus but they manage to sell it somehow. It's a big fat lie leading up to the stolen election lie.

Five states vote almost entirely by mail & drop box. If those systems were insecure we'd already know it.

It‘s not a legitimate audit until it finds the fraud tho. They know there’s fraud, so only an audit that finds that fraud could possibly have been done correctly.

 

[UNCjigga]

First they'll take your voting rights away, then when you take to the streets to protest ...

A Trump supporter could be the first Floridian prosecuted under Ron DeSantis' new anti-protest law - Salon.com

Florida Republicans may soon see their latest stunt backfire in their faces

www.salon.com

It sounds more and more like Russia.

Don’t forget putting body cams on teachers so they can be monitored for teaching “critical race theory” lol.

‘Watchdog’ group wants teachers to wear bodycams to assure they don’t teach Critical Race Theory in Nevada district

A Nevada group called the Nevada Family Alliance has proposed putting cameras on teachers to stop them from teaching Critical Race Theory. While the Washoe County School District says Critical Race…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Jhhnn]

It‘s not a legitimate audit until it finds the fraud tho. They know there’s fraud, so only an audit that finds that fraud could possibly have been done correctly.

It's been a massive conspiracy theory about Dems being cheaters perpetrated from at least the Bush era onward. There's no truth to it but that hasn't stopped them yet. It's cover for voter disenfranchisement, plain & simple. When they push the weak minded into an assault on the Capitol & the Constitution they follow up by doubling down. It's shamefully dishonest, anti-democratic & Un-American.

 

[soundforbjt]

Don’t forget putting body cams on teachers so they can be monitored for teaching “critical race theory” lol.

‘Watchdog’ group wants teachers to wear bodycams to assure they don’t teach Critical Race Theory in Nevada district

A Nevada group called the Nevada Family Alliance has proposed putting cameras on teachers to stop them from teaching Critical Race Theory. While the Washoe County School District says Critical Race…

www.nydailynews.com

For the Party that rails about China, the Right is sure cozying up to their tactics.

 

[Jhhnn]

For the Party that rails about China, the Right is sure cozying up to their tactics.

A right wing "Watchdog group" means a few whackos & grifters with a name & a website. Contributions are welcome, I'm sure. And they were featured by Mark Levin, of course.

Nevada Family Alliance

Nevada's preeminent voice for parental rights & religious freedom.

www.reclaimingourschools.com

 

[cytg111]

Maybe its fair? You know, to balance the scales? I mean, this has got to take a bite out of the GQP base :

Recent US COVID-19 Deaths Have Been Largely Among the Unvaccinated, Says New Analysis - Slashdot

"With just over half of the U.S. population fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and two-thirds having received one dose, a clear and unambiguous trend has emerged," writes Slashdot reader quonset. "Not only have deaths plunged from approximately 3,400 per day in January to roughly 300 per day...

science.slashdot.org

 

[darkswordsman17]

Oh they just passed a new budget which explicitly protects the wealthiest from paying taxes for the education spending and takes money away from other areas to fund it. On top of that it included bans on mask mandates and a bunch of other shit that right wingers want.

GOP-led Arizona Legislature OK's $1.9B income tax cut

The Arizona House has approved a $1.9 billion income tax cut package that mainly benefits the wealthy as majority Republicans pushed through key pieces of a state budget plan opposed by Democrats.

apnews.com

There's still reconciliation before its sent to Ducebag.

 

[hal2kilo]

So what will happen when they release their obvious result? Most Arizonans have been turned off by the whole thing.

Arizona ballot audit shows signs of backfiring on GOP - POLITICO

 

[gothuevos]

So while they haven't released numbers...they are saying the audit's numbers show a discrepancy between the county's official vote count.

Of course it's a farce but it will have a devastating effect on the public's trust and/or inspire more violence. I guess both were inevitable, but this just helps fast track things.

 

[eelw]

Well them doing a other machine count does give good indication that they couldn't manufacture "proof" of a rigged election. Otherwise they'd be screaming from the rooftops about how the election was stolen.

 

[K1052]

So while they haven't released numbers...they are saying the audit's numbers show a discrepancy between the county's official vote count.

Of course it's a farce but it will have a devastating effect on the public's trust and/or inspire more violence. I guess both were inevitable, but this just helps fast track things.

Elections are fraudulent so make sure you vote in the very important AZ 2022 elections is going to be an interesting sales pitch for the GOP.

 

[fskimospy]

Well them doing a other machine count does give good indication that they couldn't manufacture "proof" of a rigged election. Otherwise they'd be screaming from the rooftops about how the election was stolen.

It hasn't been possible for them to prove anything for a long time as they broke chain of custody rules so many times everything is tainted. Maricopa County is having to replace all their voting machines because they've been compromised and are no longer secure for future elections.

 

[dank69]

Video of the audit results being released:

https://imgur.com/a/9V5FD1s

 

[allisolm]

If this "audit" (and I use the word advisedly) hasn't already been a circus, now they need another time extension and will have to move the ballots and machines AGAIN. This time to a building with no air conditioning, just swamp coolers. This in a city that avg max temp in August is over 100. So extreme temperatures and swamp cooler humidity - both great things for the condition of paper ballots. There aren't enough eyeroll emojis for this whole fiasco.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...election-auditors-extend-lease-again-n1272948

 

[MrSquished]

It hasn't been possible for them to prove anything for a long time as they broke chain of custody rules so many times everything is tainted. Maricopa County is having to replace all their voting machines because they've been compromised and are no longer secure for future elections.

As we know now, or should know, proof does not matter to the majority of the GQP party at this point. All they have to do is say there were irregularities, that's it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Ya'mean like it's not really all about money, money and more money to this 'company''?

 

[Vic]

Whatever happened to "You lost, get over it"?

 

[hal2kilo]

If this "audit" (and I use the word asvisedly) hasn't already been a circus, now they need another time extension and will have to move the ballots and machines AGAIN. This time to a building with no air conditioning, just swamp coolers. This in a city that avg max temp in August is over 100. So extreme temperatures and swamp cooler humidity - both great things for the condition of paper ballots. There aren't enough eyeroll emojis for this whole fiasco.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...election-auditors-extend-lease-again-n1272948

It's impossible that they could be used in any court case to prove anything. Chain of custody of the ballets was completely FUBARED.

 

[IronWing]

It's impossible that they could be used in any court case to prove anything. Chain of custody of the ballets was completely FUBARED.

That was intentional. They have no intention of going to court, just the bank.