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[hal2kilo]

In summary so far. Republicans got nothin but delay tactics.

 

[interchange]

It is kind of bonkers that one of Trump's likely co-conspirators was allowed to help conduct the impeachment inquiry. There's a non-trivial chance Nunes ends up in prison by the time this is all done, which would be very satisfying.

Add this to the insulation from Barr in the criminal referral and attempt to suppress the whistleblower report. I mean, someone actively conspiring with people whose job it is to hold him responsible for such conspiracy is kind of a red flag, no?

 

[hal2kilo]

Add this to the insulation from Barr in the criminal referral and attempt to suppress the whistleblower report. I mean, someone actively conspiring with people whose job it is to hold him responsible for such conspiracy is kind of a red flag, no?

Barr needs impeachment next.

 

[fskimospy]

Add this to the insulation from Barr in the criminal referral and attempt to suppress the whistleblower report. I mean, someone actively conspiring with people whose job it is to hold him responsible for such conspiracy is kind of a red flag, no?

Haha it sure is! Barr should absolutely be impeached.

Our country is held together by everyone generally agreeing that the system is more important than winning any one political fight. That appears to have broken down though.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I hear what you're saying but the only alternative is that Trump was lying about his justification for withholding aid and we both know that can't possibly be true.

This is a bit of a red herring. Trump cannot hold up funds FOR ANY REASON without going through the ICA of 1974 process AND gets the OK from those with the power of the purse after 45 days. This was not done and so he broke the law, period.


Funds blocked on July 25
Funds released September 11th.

That exceeds the legal limit and violates the law.

That Trump released the funds eventually for any reason (including getting caught) does not forgive him.

The Reps want to argue process and not the law? Let's argue both.

 

[hal2kilo]

So far it looks like Turley of all people is going to be defending Trump. Strike you off on the list of people I really used to like.

 

[Jhhnn]

He doesn’t seem to command the knowledge and the ins and outs of Parliamental procedures. He knows them but he’s not as quick as Schiff is at countering them. That’s just my first impressions though.

Let’s not forget, he’s the guy that thought it was smart to use a bucket of chicken as a prop.

That wasn't Nadler-

Dems mock William Barr's no-show with empty chair and chicken in escalating feud with Justice Department

The House Judiciary Committee played to an empty chair on Thursday with a hearing where its witness, Attorney General William Barr, did not appear.

www.cnn.com

This is Nadler-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/nadler-special-counsel-clearly-demonstrated-that-president-trump-is-lying/2019/05/29/491341a9-3f48-43be-ae79-a56b80a24c1e_video.html

It's the last chance for the House GOP to play games before it goes to a floor vote & then on to the Senate, I think. These hearings are a formality, an artifact of House rules. The judiciary committee will create the formal writ of impeachment. I'd like to see it on McConnell's desk before Christmas. Happy Holidays.

 

[Xcobra]

I don't even know what world Turley is on. Doesn't seem to care about the law at all.

 

[ivwshane]

So far it looks like Turley of all people is going to be defending Trump. Strike you off on the list of people I really used to like.

So far he’s so full of shit I can smell it through the tv. He’s making an emotional appeal against impeachment vs the facts. He cited the impeachment case against Jackson as the most relevant which is bull shit as this impeachment isn’t based on hate at all, no matter how many different ways he tries to say it is.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't even know what world Turley is on. Doesn't seem to care about the law at all.

That’s because he’s speaking from the feels.

Wow, and now he’s “both sides” this? Fuck this guy.

 

[emperus]

Why is it with all things Republicans, their arguments seem so BS. I learned a lot from the first 3, esp. the 1st witness. Turley? I'm not sure what his argument is? In fact, the first witness clearly defined what High crimes and misdemeanor was, yet Turley seems to ignore that historical record.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't even know what world Turley is on. Doesn't seem to care about the law at all.

He's basically saying that we need to not impeach Trump specifically because we don't like him.

 

[fskimospy]

The contrast with Turkey’s statement about impeachment in 1998 when the offense was lying in a civil deposition about a personal matter is...remarkable.

I hope Democrats will be repeating his past statements back at him.

 

[hal2kilo]

Rule 11 is being used to delay the hearings with votes by Republicans. Still got nothin. And Turley can blxw me.

 

[ivwshane]

Why is it with all things Republicans, their arguments seem so BS. I learned a lot from the first 3, esp. the 1st witness. Turley? I'm not sure what his argument is? In fact, the first witness clearly defined what High crimes and misdemeanor was, yet Turley seems to ignore that historical record.

Yeah, third witness totally pre-countered turley’s whole argument.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And now we get a nice list of Republican members that don't respect Whistleblower protections.

 

[zinfamous]

So far he’s so full of shit I can smell it through the tv. He’s making an emotional appeal against impeachment vs the facts. He cited the impeachment case against Jackson as the most relevant which is bull shit as this impeachment isn’t based on hate at all, no matter how many different ways he tries to say it is.

yeah but his dog is angry and he doesn't want his dog to be angry. It's a labradoodle! Those dogs don't get angry! This is so unfair!

 

[ivwshane]

Third roll call.

 

[soundforbjt]

Turley: I’m not a fan, nor did I vote for him, but I’m here to defend him at any cost.

 

[hal2kilo]

yeah but his dog is angry and he doesn't want his dog to be angry. It's a labradoodle! Those dogs don't get angry! This is so unfair!

It was surprisingly pathetic. I guess he came down with Dershowitz disease.

 

[fskimospy]

Turley: I’m not a fan, nor did I vote for him, but I’m here to defend him at any cost.

Turley in 1998: if we allow the president to get away with illegal activity it is corrosive to the country as a whole and encourages future presidents to do the same.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Feldman looks like Benedict Cumberbatch, and now I feel like I'm watching Sherlock Holmes in front of congress.

 

[ivwshane]

Turley in 1998: if we allow the president to get away with illegal activity it is corrosive to the country as a whole and encourages future presidents to do the same.

I was actually looking forward for a reasonable argument against impeachment, one based on historical facts or a counter to existing facts and testimony. What we got was what we always get from the right, feelings because reasons.

 

[Xcobra]

Turley in 1998: if we allow the president to get away with illegal activity it is corrosive to the country as a whole and encourages future presidents to do the same.

Makes me wonder how he's been convinced/bribed to defend this indefensible douchebag.

 

[fskimospy]

I was actually looking forward for a reasonable argument against impeachment, one based on historical facts or a counter to existing facts and testimony. What we got was what we always get from the right, feelings because reasons.

Because there is no reasonable argument against impeachment.

The president used his powers of office to extort an ally into giving him illegal campaign assistance so he could win the next election.

If you had to draw up an example of impeachable conduct for a textbook how different would it look than that.