PocketPC vs Palm benefits/drawbacks of either one? I need help deciding on a PDA.

[RoninRXN]

<< Who wants to do all that crap at once? When i go jogging there is no way i would want to carry a fragile PDA. When would I want to do all these things at once? The only situation i can think of is in a car ride or an airplane ride. It is not to challenging to bring all of these devices in either of these situations.
The point isn't that a PocketPC device is better than a Palm one, but rather, how ca you compare the two. Now, granted the original question was which of the two should he get in a certain price range. In that situation, without question, the PocketPC is the better of the two. It hardly seems fair to say that it is better in all situations though.
Comparing a $100 dollar device to a 400 or a $500 device is not fair. >>



No one even MENTIONED the S300.

We are comparing the SONY N760C and the IPAQ 3760

They are ALMOST the same price.

 

[OS]

Man whats with all these newbie PPC trolls today?

 

[NFS4]

Toshiba e570 PocketPC Review

 

[LittleWolf]

<< Thanks you LittleWolf and RoninRXN, the ignorance running around is so thick that you can cut it with a knife >>



You are welcome NFS4. Potatocrap seems to be quite an ignorant guy and just plain dumb stupid.

While I am not exactly a big MS fan, the new PPC is a killer compared to the "ancient" Palm. Palm had a good run for some years, but I guess they became complacent and MS just did the "right" thing at the right time. And PPC manuf. like Compaq, HP kicked ass with their new CE products. If Palm doesn't shape up, I wouldn't be surprised to find them as an "also-rans" in the next couple of years.


-j

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< Thanks you LittleWolf and RoninRXN, the ignorance running around is so thick that you can cut it with a knife >>



You are welcome NFS4. Potatocrap seems to be quite an ignorant guy and just plain dumb stupid.

While I am not exactly a big MS fan, the new PPC is a killer compared to the "ancient" Palm. Palm had a good run for some years, but I guess they became complacent and MS just did the "right" thing at the right time. And PPC manuf. like Compaq, HP kicked ass with their new CE products. If Palm doesn't shape up, I wouldn't be surprised to find them as an "also-rans" in the next couple of years.


-j >>



Exactly.

 

[potatosalad]

Tons of Windows CE licensees have dumped their Windows CE products and closed down their Windows CE divisions because WINDOWS CE DEVICES PLAIN DO NOT SELL.

Philips dumped CE. Uniden dumped CE. IBM dumped CE. Everex dumped CE. LG Electronics dumped CE.

How many PalmOS licensees have dumped their PalmOS products and closed down their PalmOS divisions?

NONE. ZERO. NADA. THEY ARE ALL THRIVING.

Hello, hello, wake up and smell the coffee Microsoft fanboys!

 

[RoninRXN]

<< Tons of Windows CE licensees have dumped their Windows CE products and closed down their Windows CE divisions because WINDOWS CE DEVICES PLAIN DO NOT SELL.

Philips dumped CE. Uniden dumped CE. IBM dumped CE. Everex dumped CE. LG Electronics dumped CE.

How many PalmOS licensees have dumped their PalmOS products and closed down their PalmOS divisions?

NONE. ZERO. NADA. THEY ARE ALL THRIVING.

Hello, hello, wake up and smell the coffee Microsoft fanboys! >>



Other than IBM...I haven't seen any PDAs from any of those companies and if they did once have Windows CE devices, maybe it was a mistake dumping them because their handheld divisions have been shut down or something.

Does anyone actually own a RECENT handheld made by Philips, Uniden, Everex or LG?

There we go bashing MS again. I don't particularly like some of their products either but you, sir, are simply close minded. Has Compaq, Helwet Packard, Casio or Toshiba shut down? To the best of my knowledge, they're bigger companies than Uniden (...I know they make craptacular cheap cordless phones), Everex (I know they made PDAs a long time ago but I haven't seen a recent one...) or LG (I've never seen an LG handheld.)

I'm just gonna outright say it...Palm OS is outdated technology. They need to make something new for the future. While it is good for everyday functions like memos and calendars...they will NOT keep up with PPC in the future.

 

[potatosalad]

<< Does anyone actually own a RECENT handheld made by Philips, Uniden, Everex or LG? >>



Nobody can own a recent handheld by these companies. Like I said, they all closed down their Windows CE divisons and are no longer manufacturing Microsoft contraptions.

For a Microsoft fanboy, you sure are very ignorant about Windows CE licensees and which devices were manufactured when by whom!

Your ignorance unfortunately makes a very lousy response.

 

[NFS4]

<< Tons of Windows CE licensees have dumped their Windows CE products and closed down their Windows CE divisions because WINDOWS CE DEVICES PLAIN DO NOT SELL.

Philips dumped CE. Uniden dumped CE. IBM dumped CE. Everex dumped CE. LG Electronics dumped CE.

How many PalmOS licensees have dumped their PalmOS products and closed down their PalmOS divisions?

NONE. ZERO. NADA. THEY ARE ALL THRIVING.

Hello, hello, wake up and smell the coffee Microsoft fanboys! >>


STHU! I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. You are a pififul excuse for a zealot. Microsoft has HUGE support behind the PocketPC. Microsoft has support from:

Compaq
Hewlett-Packard
Casio
Toshiba
NEC
URThere
AudioVox
Symbol

Face it, Palms have their market, and PocketPC's have their market. Simple as that. Get over it or at least take the PalmOS flag out of your ass. No one is discounting the purpose of Palms, they are GREAT for what they do.

But YOU need to shut up about PocketPC's b/c you don't a damn thing about them.

Ohh, let's talk about Palm. Let's talk about how their CEO is gone, how their stocks have TANKED down to the sewer, and how there is rumour of Palm and Handspring merging because the two are doing MISERABLY on their own.

Also, let's talk about Palm's huge inventories b/c they are so stupid as to announce their new models WAY ahead of schedule which makes people wait for the newer models instead of buying the current ones (i.e., the botched launch of the m500/m505).

 

[potatosalad]

<< I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. >>



Are you calling into question the FACT that countless licensees have dumped Windows CE, and NOT A SINGLE LICENSEE HAS EVER DUMPED PALMOS?

What does that tell you about the quality and marketability of Windows CE versus PalmOS?

Why would companies dump Windows CE if it was worth anything?

Why are companies not dumping PalmOS?

 

[NFS4]

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<< I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. >>



Are you calling into question the FACT that countless licensees have dumped Windows CE, and NOT A SINGLE LICENSEE HAS EVER DUMPED PALMOS?

What does that tell you about the quality and marketability of Windows CE versus PalmOS?

Why would companies dump Windows CE if it was worth anything?

Why are companies not dumping PalmOS? >>


Since when did IBM make a WinCE device??

IBM and Gateway dropped AMD. Does that make AMD's quality inferior? No. STHU, your logic is SO flawed.

 

[loup garou]

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<< I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. >>



Are you calling into question the FACT that countless licensees have dumped Windows CE, and NOT A SINGLE LICENSEE HAS EVER DUMPED PALMOS?

What does that tell you about the quality and marketability of Windows CE versus PalmOS?

Why would companies dump Windows CE if it was worth anything?

Why are companies not dumping PalmOS? >>



Well, we know how wonderful CE 2.x was. This was when ALL of those listed companies dumped CE. Since PocketPC and PocketPC2002, MS is picking up more licensees, and with good reason. The new versions are leaps and bounds above CE 1-2!

 

[potatosalad]

<< Since PocketPC and PocketPC2002, MS is picking up more licensees >>



This is a lie. Microsoft has not acquired a single licensee since Windows CE 2.0. Any licensee currently making Microsoft devices was also making devices back in the Windows CE days.

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< Does anyone actually own a RECENT handheld made by Philips, Uniden, Everex or LG? >>



Nobody can own a recent handheld by these companies. Like I said, they all closed down their Windows CE divisons and are no longer manufacturing Microsoft contraptions.

For a Microsoft fanboy, you sure are very ignorant about Windows CE licensees and which devices were manufactured when by whom!

Your ignorance unfortunately makes a very lousy response. >>



<sigh> Alright, let's say they shut down their CE divisions. Why didn't they switch over to Palm if Palm is so much better? It's simply because these companies aren't big enough to handle the competition in the handheld industry.

 

[NFS4]

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<< Since PocketPC and PocketPC2002, MS is picking up more licensees >>



This is a lie. Microsoft has not acquired a single licensee since Windows CE 2.0. Any licensee currently making Microsoft devices was also making devices back in the Windows CE days. >>


This is Toshiba's first license you dumbass. It's also the first for URThere. Get your facts straight.

You claim you know so much, but you don't know SH!T!:|



<< Toshiba has entered the Windows CE device market with their initial offering, the Toshiba Genio e570 Series >>


http://reviews.pocketnow.com/content.cgi?db=reviews&id=198

So PLEASE do you ignorant a$$ a favor, go find somewhere else to spread lies.

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. >>



Are you calling into question the FACT that countless licensees have dumped Windows CE, and NOT A SINGLE LICENSEE HAS EVER DUMPED PALMOS?

What does that tell you about the quality and marketability of Windows CE versus PalmOS?

Why would companies dump Windows CE if it was worth anything?

Why are companies not dumping PalmOS? >>



Hmmm...so is that why Palm is dropping in it's shares and it's CEO has left them? Because their licensees haven't dumped them?

It doesn't matter if a company uses Palm or PocketPC. It's a matter of how well they do with the license. Last time I checked, Palm is in danger and there's talk of Handspring and Palm merging.

If what you said eariler is true...there are no recent handhelds by Uniden and Everex and LG...it's not that the companies dropped Windows CE...it's that THEY DROPPED THEIR HANDHELD DIVISION.

 

[NFS4]

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<< I'm getting sick and tired of your crap and I can't take it anymore. >>



Are you calling into question the FACT that countless licensees have dumped Windows CE, and NOT A SINGLE LICENSEE HAS EVER DUMPED PALMOS?

What does that tell you about the quality and marketability of Windows CE versus PalmOS?

Why would companies dump Windows CE if it was worth anything?

Why are companies not dumping PalmOS? >>



Hmmm...so is that why Palm is dropping in it's shares and it's CEO has left them? Because their licensees haven't dumped them?

It doesn't matter if a company uses Palm or PocketPC. It's a matter of how well they do with the license. Last time I checked, Palm is in danger and there's talk of Handspring and Palm merging.

If what you said eariler is true...there are no recent handhelds by Uniden and Everex and LG...it's not that the companies dropped Windows CE...it's that THEY DROPPED THEIR HANDHELD DIVISION. >>


That's basically what I posted above, but dumbsh!t, err I mean potatosalad didn't want to address those facts

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< Since PocketPC and PocketPC2002, MS is picking up more licensees >>



This is a lie. Microsoft has not acquired a single licensee since Windows CE 2.0. Any licensee currently making Microsoft devices was also making devices back in the Windows CE days. >>


This is Toshiba's first license you dumbass. It's also the first for URThere. Get your facts straight.

You claim you know so much, but you don't know SH!T!:|



<< Toshiba has entered the Windows CE device market with their initial offering, the Toshiba Genio e570 Series >>


http://reviews.pocketnow.com/content.cgi?db=reviews&id=198

So PLEASE do you ignorant a$$ a favor, go find somewhere else to spread lies. >>



Hehehe...damn straight. Get it through your heads that we're not Microsoft fan boys. If I was...why would I own a PALM? I'll tell you why. It's because we are discussing the features of both systems.

While myself and NFS4 and others have praised Palm OS for what it does, we acknowledge that PPC does all that and more. You, on the other hand, are a Palm fanboy and cannot get it through your head that PPC is not completely worthless.

I have a fairly good pun to make about him involving the words "salad" and "tossing" but I'll just leave that alone since he's not worth getting banned over.

 

[potatosalad]

<< If what you said eariler is true...there are no recent handhelds by Uniden and Everex and LG...it's not that the companies dropped Windows CE...it's that THEY DROPPED THEIR HANDHELD DIVISION. >>



If I licensed the loser OS in the handheld market, I too would be unable to sell nearly enough units, and I too would be forced to close down my handheld division.

HandEra is a smaller company than any of the companies I mentioned, but they are doing just fine selling handhelds! How come? BECAUSE THEY ARE A PALMOS LICENSEE AND THEIR UNITS SELL!

Ha!

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< If what you said eariler is true...there are no recent handhelds by Uniden and Everex and LG...it's not that the companies dropped Windows CE...it's that THEY DROPPED THEIR HANDHELD DIVISION. >>



If I licensed the loser OS in the handheld market, I too would be unable to sell nearly enough units, and I too would be forced to close down my handheld division.

HandEra is a smaller company than any of the companies I mentioned, but they are doing just fine selling handhelds! How come? BECAUSE THEY ARE A PALMOS LICENSEE AND THEIR UNITS SELL!

Ha! >>



As far as I'm concerned, Uniden and Everex make inferior quality products. The fact that they no longer make handhelds has nothing to do with the fact that they are unstable.

Hmmm...so why aren't the Ipaqs or Jordanas gone yet? As I remember, Compaq used to make a handheld called the Aero with Windows CE 2.0.

BTW: Speaking of unstable, you haven't address the internal problems in Palm itself as well as Handspring and various other facts that myself and NFS4 have brought up. You just make up your own ridiculous arguments.

Also...as I recall, the first versions of Palm OS weren't up to standard either. And do you really believe PPC has made no improvements over CE2.0? If so, I invite you to actually TRY a PPC device made in this decade.

 

[RoninRXN]

Everyone...for information on how Palm is struggling...take a look at these two articles, which should set the facts straight about "companies dumping Palm", etc.

This one clearly states that Palm and Handspring have dropped 90 percent in the past year and so they are prime takeover targets. Therefore, a good choice would be to merge Palm and Handspring (a decision that brought their stocks back up some)

Link

This one states that Palm is laying off employees...AGAIN. and clearly says that Palm is struggling to keep up because of "slow sales" and "intense competition" (Hmmm...I wonder from who?)

Link

Now in the words of our friend, potatosalad here..."Ha!"

That's a lot of "thriving" isn't it, huh?

 

[NFS4]

<< Everyone...for information on how Palm is struggling...take a look at these two articles, which should set the facts straight about "companies dumping Palm", etc.

This one clearly states that Palm and Handspring have dropped 90 percent in the past year and so they are prime takeover targets. Therefore, a good choice would be to merge Palm and Handspring (a decision that brought their stocks back up some)

Link

This one states that Palm is laying off employees...AGAIN. and clearly says that Palm is struggling to keep up because of "slow sales" and "intense competition" (Hmmm...I wonder from who?)

Link

Now in the words of our friend, potatosalad here..."Ha!"

That's a lot of "thriving" isn't it, huh? >>


NFS4 high fives RoninRXN. Stick a fork in the potatosalad, b/c that repugnant dish is DONE!

 

[potatosalad]

<< As far as I'm concerned, Uniden and Everex make inferior quality products. >>



As far as I am concerned, Microsoft makes inferior quality products.

Fine. Where did that get us?

Keep your unsubstantiated opinions to yourself.

And if you're going to say PalmOS has problems, quote some. I am not aware of any.

The updates over the years have had very few bugfixes, and have mostly consisted of feature upgrades.

Windows CE updates are a fruitless exercise in trying to make the OS crash less often (and to eke out 5 minutes more battery life on top of the pathetic 3 hours).

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< As far as I'm concerned, Uniden and Everex make inferior quality products. >>



As far as I am concerned, Microsoft makes inferior quality products.

Fine. Where did that get us?

Keep your unsubstantiated opinions to yourself.

And if you're going to say PalmOS has problems, quote some. I am not aware of any.

The updates over the years have had very few bugfixes, and have mostly consisted of feature upgrades.

Windows CE updates are a fruitless exercise in trying to make the OS crash less often (and to eke out 5 minutes more battery life on top of the pathetic 3 hours). >>



See above my friend. See above. =)

 

[777php]

Pocket PC allows for VPN, remote terminal service that allows your PocketPC to log into a Windows 2000 server. Can your PALM do that?

Many companies are working on Push to Talk (PPT) functions for the Pocket PC via IP telephony, can your PALM do that?

I am in a meeting and get a message via the PPT function on my Pocket PC, my company needs me to manage something on our server. I connect to the wireless lan that has been set up in the conference room, via a VPN connection I log into our server via W2K's terminal services and correct whatever issue there was on the server. ON MY POCKET PC!!!! Can your PALM do that?

If you are a college student on a budget then the PALM is the right device for you, but for the rest of us with jobs and mission critical duties then a Pocket PC is a more logical choice.