PocketPC vs Palm benefits/drawbacks of either one? I need help deciding on a PDA.

[potatosalad]

<< blah blah blah Can your PALM do that? >>



YES

PalmVNC

 

[RoninRXN]

<< NFS4 high fives RoninRXN. Stick a fork in the potatosalad, b/c that repugnant dish is DONE! >>



Damn straight. <<High fives NFS4>>

Oh...and just to kick a man when he's down...here are some links on how Pocket PC is gaining on Palm.

Link In Europe

And this one shows how global handheld sales SLOWED in anticipation of Pocket PC 2002

Link

And here we go...outright...look at the title. That's all you have to read.

PALM LOSES MARKET SHARE TO COMPAQ

Who rules baby? That's right. Ronin does. =) Here's a fork. I don't want to come anywhere near you.

 

[777php]

ummmm...you missed something, or do you choose only to address the issues that you can defend?

What about Push to Talk technology? This could revolutionize mobile voice communications.

Companies have already deployed IP telephony, so the backbone is already there.

 

[potatosalad]

<< What about Push to Talk technology? This could revolutionize mobile voice communications. >>



If you're talking about phone/PDA convergence, there are a ton of Palm units that do this, most notably the Handspring cellular unit.

If Push to Talk is Microsoft's proprietary name for phone/PDA convergence, then I have no idea what the specifics are or who has implemented it yet.

Describe to me what it does and I will show you the Palm counterpart technology or solution.

 

[RoninRXN]

<< ummmm...you missed something, or do you choose only to address the issues that you can defend?

What about Push to Talk technology? This could revolutionize mobile voice communications.

Companies have already deployed IP telephony, so the backbone is already there. >>



Heh...don't worry about it, dude. What is he gonna argue after seeing the news articles I posted? (I got more if you want but I don't want to totally destroy your Palm fandom.

And yes, he only addresses issues which he can argue half-assedly. They're not even GOOD arguments. They just seem like it because of his strange logic.

That and he keeps addressing the antiquated WINDOWS CE instead of POCKET PC 2002. Maybe we should start talking about Palm OS 1.0[

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< What about Push to Talk technology? This could revolutionize mobile voice communications. >>



If you're talking about phone/PDA convergence, there are a ton of Palm units that do this, most notably the Handspring cellular unit.

If Push to Talk is Microsoft's proprietary name for phone/PDA convergence, then I have no idea what the specifics are or who has implemented it yet.

Describe to me what it does and I will show you the Palm counterpart technology or solution. >>



Did you read my message or are you avoiding the issue again?

Pocket PC to pass Palm

What the...how did that get there?

 

[potatosalad]

<< What is he gonna argue after seeing the news articles I posted? >>



You posted that PDA sales have recently slowed down.

NO SH!T SHERLOCK. WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC RECESSION.

Of course PDA sales have slowed down! All nonessential technology sales have slowed down!

But your deluded Microsoft fanboy ass probably thinks it is because Microsoft did something swell!

 

[NFS4]

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<< What is he gonna argue after seeing the news articles I posted? >>



You posted that PDA sales have recently slowed down.

NO SH!T SHERLOCK. WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC RECESSION.

Of course PDA sales have slowed down! All nonessential technology sales have slowed down!

But your deluded Microsoft fanboy ass probably thinks it is because Microsoft did something swell! >>


Did you fuggin' read the article??? PocketPC's are gaining marketshare. They are up to 33% and rising. Oops, I guess you skipped over that part

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< What is he gonna argue after seeing the news articles I posted? >>



You posted that PDA sales have recently slowed down.

NO SH!T SHERLOCK. WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC RECESSION.

Of course PDA sales have slowed down! All nonessential technology sales have slowed down!

But your deluded Microsoft fanboy ass probably thinks it is because Microsoft did something swell! >>



Did you actually read the article or can you not read? Or did you read the other articles?

It says that global handheld sales were slowed because people wanted the new version of PPC. Sales picked up again after that.

You are avoiding the issue and are making an argument you are not qualified to make. In a real debate over an issue like this, you must address everything the opposing party has said, like myself and NFS4 has done. You, on the other hand, have not read any of what I've posted. This isn't a debate. This is just me kicking your ass.

 

[777php]

<< If Push to Talk is Microsoft's proprietary name for phone/PDA convergence, then I have no idea what the specifics are or who has implemented it yet. >>



PTT is not Microsoft's proprietary name for phone/PDA convergence.

PTT is a technology being developed by major networking corporations such as Cisco, Siemens, etc....

It does not utilize typical cellular, GSM, TDMA networks but wireless IP protocols.

Find a palm counterpart, I doubt you will.

 

[RoninRXN]

Heehee...this is too much fun.

IBM TO SELL POCKET PC DEVICES

 

[potatosalad]

<< Find a palm counterpart, I doubt you will. >>



Is anyone shipping this yet?

I have never heard of it.

 

[NFS4]

<< Heehee...this is too much fun.

IBM TO SELL POCKET PC DEVICES >>


ROTFFL!!!!!!!!

*&#%!)*&*(#@&%!@*%@!_*%

AHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BITCH SLAPPED!

 

[777php]

<< Is anyone shipping this yet? >>




<< I have never heard of it. >>



No need to ship anything, it utilizes hardware that already exist for all pocket pc's. It is a software implementation.

 

[NFS4]

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<< Is anyone shipping this yet? >>




<< I have never heard of it. >>



No need to ship anything, it utilizes hardware that already exist for all pocket pc's. It is a software implementation. >>


Ooops, another kick to the nuts. Time to break out the popcorn

 

[potatosalad]

Alright, so Microsoft has 30% marketshare, and Palm has 70%. Are you bragging about this?

As for a consistently pro-Microsoft research firm (which is being funded by Microsoft) predicting future Microsoft success,

NO SH!T SHERLOCK!

That is why Microsoft funds Aberdeen Research!

Look up some of the positively glowing things Aberdeen said about Microsoft throughout the antitrust trial phase!

Then look up where Aberdeen gets its money!

 

[Redwingsguy]

potatoesalad, looking at the way things are going, I'd have to say, stop while you're way behind before you are way way way behind!

 

[potatosalad]

<< No need to ship anything, it utilizes hardware that already exist for all pocket pc's. It is a software implementation. >>



You haven't told me what Push-to-Talk does or what it is good for.

Why do I want this on my PDA? What does it do for me?

If you describe it to me, I can tell you a counterpart technology that is available for Palms.

 

[RoninRXN]

<< Alright, so Microsoft has 30% marketshare, and Palm has 70%. Are you bragging about this?

As for a consistently pro-Microsoft research firm (which is being funded by Microsoft) predicting future Microsoft success,

NO SH!T SHERLOCK!

That is why Microsoft funds Aberdeen Research!

Look up some of the positively glowing things Aberdeen said about Microsoft throughout the antitrust trial phase!

Then look up where Aberdeen gets its money! >>



<<BUZZZ>> WRONG AGAIN, WATSON!

It appears as though you have reading difficulties.

Here are the latest market shares according to that article.

Palm = 32% (DOWN FROM 50% at the beginning of the quarter)
Compaq = 16.1% (UP FROM 7.8%)
Handspring = 10.7 % (DOWN FROM 15%)
HP = 6.9% (UP FROM 3.7%

Notice the trend or do I need to draw arrows for your because of your reading disability?

Now with these figures, analysts predict that Pocket PC will pass the wavering Palm in 2005

Not that far away. Maybe you should tell them they need to make something new.

BTW...the figures are from Gartner Dataquest, not Aberdeen. Aberdeen made the predictions and perhaps they are biased. I will find you another source that says the same damn thing. You can't deny that PPC is gaining on Palm at a huge rate.

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< No need to ship anything, it utilizes hardware that already exist for all pocket pc's. It is a software implementation. >>



You haven't told me what Push-to-Talk does or what it is good for.

Why do I want this on my PDA? What does it do for me?

If you describe it to me, I can tell you a counterpart technology that is available for Palms. >>



From what I understand, it's basically ICQ/AIM/MSMessenger.

What he's trying to say is that with PPC, features like this and VPN are integrated

 

[potatosalad]

<< Here are the latest market shares according to that article. >>



Collectively, Palm licensees control 70% of the market, and Microsoft licensees control 30% of the market. This is a fact.

Breaking it down to individual licensees and then omitting all the smaller licensees from your report does not change this fact.

It does however make for irresponsible reporting.

 

[potatosalad]

<< What he's trying to say is that with PPC, features like this and VPN are integrated >>



If you really need these features for your enterprise, go ask a Palm for however many thousands of units with PalmVNC and PalmICQ preinstalled.

They would be happy to integrate it for you, especially because these software packages are all free.

Do you really need to pay $300 extra and reduce your battery life by a factor of 20 just so you can avoid installing two pieces of software on your PDA?

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< Here are the latest market shares according to that article. >>



Collectively, Palm licensees control 70% of the market, and Microsoft licensees control 30% of the market. This is a fact.

Breaking it down to individual licensees and then omitting all the smaller licensees from your report does not change this fact.

It does however make for irresponsible reporting. >>



That is in the United States. I'm talking worldwide.

Heheh...and that 70% is going...doooooown. Read the other articles.

 

[777php]

<< You haven't told me what Push-to-Talk does or what it is good for.

Why do I want this on my PDA? What does it do for me?

If you describe it to me, I can tell you a counterpart technology that is available for Palms. >>





Have you heard of Nextel's direct connect?

Why would you not want walkie talkie functions on your PDA?

It utilizes a Java GUI, interfacing with a local wireless TCP IP network. It the can be routed via land lines to other wireless LANS. Potentially you can use the PTT function with someone across the world.

 

[RoninRXN]

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<< What he's trying to say is that with PPC, features like this and VPN are integrated >>



If you really need these features for your enterprise, go ask a Palm for however many thousands of units with PalmVNC and PalmICQ preinstalled.

They would be happy to integrate it for you, especially because these software packages are all free.

Do you really need to pay $300 extra and reduce your battery life by a factor of 20 just so you can avoid installing two pieces of software on your PDA? >>



Sony PEG-N760 = $599
IPaq 3760 = $599.

Hmmmm....not only are you reading impaired, your math also sucks.

BTW: Reducing your battery life by a factor of 20 is not a factor. We talked about this. No one needs to use a PDA more than 12 hours a day. =)