Ok, I'v had enough of Israel!!!

[Bulk Beef]

<< Those school kids are Israeli terrorists!!! >>

You just made it abundantly clear where you're coming from.

 

[Czar]

<<

<< ThePresence,
its obvios you have just read the title of this thread and judged me from that, read my most recent posts here. >>



Oh, so at the the time when you posted this thread, you were anti-Israel, now you are rehabilitated. Good to hear, but hard to believe. >>


No the point of this thread is to point out that the Isreali army is stopping medics from helping the wounded and even killing the medics (5 in the last few days). I did not say Isreal bad, Palestine good like you do but the other way around.

Do you think that Isreal is all innocent in this conflict?

 

[burnedout]

<< burnedout, any evidence for that?

Have any evidence to the contrary? >>

Wow, how stupid can you get? Can't you see the fallacy of your reply? This is way too stupid for me to even bother to reply to.

Translation: "No, I can't argue with that because I have no clue at all regarding armed conflicts

Don't forget that a UN vheicle was shot and a UN nurse killed. Are those terrorist too?

Where were they from?

How does that matter? Shooting an ambulance with UN, Red Cressent/Cross on it is a violation of international law (and human law too which is being ignored a little bit too much). JUST because you suspect that they might carry terrorists and kill 3 innocents civilians is a war crime.

To answer your question, they were Palestinian. Do you really believe when the rounds are flying that commanders on the ground don't make mistakes? I just admire your "experienced insight" regarding armed conflicts.

<< Just because the IDF wear cute suits and use OUR FREE F-16s to kills civilains doesn't make those terrorists right.

Just because some nutcase screaming intifada, blows himself and others to smithereens using <IRANIAN, IRAQI, INSERT HOSTILE ANTI-ISRAELI COUNTRY NAME HERE> in a cafe or kills school kids doesn't make IDF wrong. >>

Those school kids are Israeli terrorists!!!

(Remainder of drivel purposely snipped)

Hold it. Stop right there. Congratulations. The remainder of your moronic comments justify terrorism.

 

[ThePresence]

<< No one has ever brought forward proof that the Ambulances are used to carry terrorists or weapons. >>



Cazr, were you ever involved in a firefight with automatic weapons? didnt think so. I have. Ummm here comes an ambulance. Should we let it through? No, it might be carrying terrorists. But we dont have proof! OK, lets let it through because we dont have proof. Big deal, its only my own life that may be lost, but we need to PROVE it first to Czar!

 

[BoltCase]

<< Ummmmm....why would Israel want to kill innocent palestinians? Is there a point to it? Do they further their goals by killing innocent civillians? Does it make them look good in the eyes of the world? Or is it their hatred of the Palestinians? Dude, get a grip. Killing civillians is the one thing the IDF tries to avoid at all costs. It's stressed time and time again in IDF training courses. But what the hell, im not gonna change your opinion by giving you the facts. >>



One word.. Revenge.

Israel is a small country, it's not a continent. It's very likely that those killed in a suicide bombers are relatives or people you know, and if they're not, you get pissed and want to kill civilians too.



<<
Does it make them look good in the eyes of the world? >>



Isreael don't give a sh*t about the world, if you noticed. They have our FREE weapons and ultimate support, why would they care for violation almost all UN and Internatilnal laws.. why would they can for violating Hage and Geneva convections for the last 35 years? Why would they care about UN resolutions that are still ink on paper?



<< Killing civillians is the one thing the IDF tries to avoid at all costs. It's stressed time and time again in IDF training courses. >>



This is what they're trying to convince you. and this is why we have hundreds of innocent civilains killed in freaking "accidents". "Oppps, we did it again".

This is from the associated press:


A Palestinian farmer, Hatem Abu Teir, struggled for words after Israeli troops stormed his village in the Gaza Strip, raining heavy machine-gun fire on fields and homes and killing at least 16 people, including one of his cousins. "A very bad dream," he said finally, "mixed with blood and the sound of pain."

Even by the grim standards set in 17 unbroken months of violence, the seven days that began with a suicide bombing in the narrow streets of a synagogue-filled neighborhood of Jerusalem and ended with a hail of tank shells in Palestinian shantytowns across the West Bank and Gaza Strip left both sides wondering how much worse it can possibly get.

More than 100 Palestinians and more than 30 Israelis died ? the highest toll during any week since the conflict erupted, in the double digits every day. The week also saw the largest number of fatalities in a single day, 45 on Friday alone. And no day passed without children, sometimes several of them, numbering among the dead or injured.

Five children from one family, the Nechmads, died in last Saturday's Jerusalem suicide bombing, and three Palestinian children were killed with their mother in a missile attack in the West Bank town of Ramallah that was meant for their father, a leader of the militant Islamic movement Hamas. One of them, 13-year-old Bara Abu Kweik, was buried with a favorite schoolbook.


Whoooooooops... another 'accident'.

hey, I'm telling you, suicide bombers are accidents, too.

 

[Czar]

<< Cazr, were you ever involved in a firefight with automatic weapons? didnt think so. I have. Ummm here comes an ambulance. Should we let it through? No, it might be carrying terrorists. But we dont have proof! OK, lets let it through because we dont have proof. Big deal, its only my own life that may be lost, but we need to PROVE it first to Czar! >>


I mean there has never ever been brought proof that the ambulances carry weapons. So what is the logical reason for stopping the ambulances?

 

[Jejunum]

<< What has been lost in this whole thread is that the Palestinians did almost the same exact thing. Shooting a guy and then not allowing an ambulence to come, forcing the man to bleed to death after 5 hours. >>



THE difference is that the US gives weapons and money to Israel....stop giving f16s to israel and then maybe the violence will subside...

passner - just because someone doesnt support israel's right to killdoesnt make one a anti-semite; im tired of angry jews throwing that word around...very similar to black militants calling everyone racist...

 

[BoltCase]

<<
Cazr, were you ever involved in a firefight with automatic weapons? didnt think so. I have. Ummm here comes an ambulance. Should we let it through? No, it might be carrying terrorists. But we dont have proof! OK, lets let it through because we dont have proof. Big deal, its only my own life that may be lost, but we need to PROVE it first to Czar!
>>



LOL!!

I can imagine the dialog amomg IDF terrorists:

IDF1: Zis is an ambulance, it might carry terrorists.
IDF2: Shoot zem and kill everyone in it.

They shoot them, kill two medic and a UN nurse and errr... no terrorists found there. Oppps, what the hell, it was worth the shot. Only 3 worthless lives spent. Let's pray for better luck next time in shooting ambulances and blocking them from carrying the wounded

 

[ThePresence]

<<

<< Killing civillians is the one thing the IDF tries to avoid at all costs. It's stressed time and time again in IDF training courses. >>



This is what they're trying to convince you. and this is why we have hundreds of innocent civilains killed in freaking "accidents". "Oppps, we did it again". >>



No, dude. They're not trying to convince me. I went through those IDF training courses.

 

[strm]

just do a google search on the tomb of joseph,when a mob of palestinians rioted and took the tomb of joseph killed a few israeli soldiers a rabbi trying to rescues some holy books and after they refused to let a soldier be evacuated (who over 5 hours slowly bled to death) ,decided to paint the dome at the top of the tomb green and plant a palestinian flag. Muslims have been doing this for centuries (in regard to userping other religions holy sites) just look at the temple mount or the countless churches in syria and lebanon that are now mosques, or the primary reason of the latest fighting in india, where a few hundred years ago muslims demolished the hindu ram temple and last year?? the hindus tore down the mosque and plan on rebuilding the ram temple. There is a massive double standard for muslims in this regard, there are laws on the books in egypt were a coptic church cannot be built any taller then any mosque. In saudi arabia it is forbidden to even be a non-muslim (unless you were born there, in which case they just beat and harrass you until you convert) . This why I cant imagine why anyone would ever even discuss the possibility of a paletinian state. I would wager dollars to doughnuts that palestine would just be another despotic tyranical dictatorship just like 90% of the other islamic countries.

 

[ThePresence]

<<

<<
Cazr, were you ever involved in a firefight with automatic weapons? didnt think so. I have. Ummm here comes an ambulance. Should we let it through? No, it might be carrying terrorists. But we dont have proof! OK, lets let it through because we dont have proof. Big deal, its only my own life that may be lost, but we need to PROVE it first to Czar!
>>



LOL!!

I can imagine the dialog amomg IDF terrorists:

IDF1: Zis is an ambulance, it might carry terrorists.
IDF2: Shoot zem and kill everyone in it.

They shoot them, kill two medic and a UN nurse and errr... no terrorists found there. Oppps, what the hell, it was worth the shot. Only 3 worthless lives spent. Let's pray for better luck next time in shooting ambulances and blocking them from carrying the wounded >>



So you really think the soldiers are trying to shoot at ambulances. are you out of you mind? another guy who has no idea what it's like to be involved in a firefight. bullets are flying. each bullet can mean death for you. here comes a vehicle at 90 mph. oh its an ambulance, try to not to fire. oh it might be carrying terrorists. ooops wait, czar doesnt have proof.

 

[BoltCase]

<< No, dude. They're not trying to convince me. I went through those IDF training courses. >>



Training courses are one thing, and reality is another.

and I said earlier, it's all about revenge, dude.

 

[burnedout]

<< Cazr, were you ever involved in a firefight with automatic weapons? didnt think so. I have. Ummm here comes an ambulance. Should we let it through? No, it might be carrying terrorists. But we dont have proof! OK, lets let it through because we dont have proof. Big deal, its only my own life that may be lost, but we need to PROVE it first to Czar! >>

I mean there has never ever been brought proof that the ambulances carry weapons. So what is the logical reason for stopping the ambulances?

ThePresence: You are speaking to sheltered ears... er eyes.

Czar: It is most logical to stop the vehicles of those who have explicitly demonstrated they want to kill you.

 

[burnedout]

Training courses are one thing, and reality is another.

and I said earlier, it's all about revenge, dude.

No. It's all about survival.

 

[BoltCase]

<< It is most logical to stop the vehicles of those who have explicitly demonstrated they want to kill you. >>



And how did the ambulances explicitiy demontrate that Mr. Troll ?

 

[burnedout]

<< It is most logical to stop the vehicles of those who have explicitly demonstrated they want to kill you. >>

And how did the ambulances explicitiy demontrate that Mr. Troll ?

Ha! With a statement like "Those school kids are Israeli terrorists!!!, you actually have the ballz to imply I'm a troll? Hello!

Psssst: I gotta bridge I'll sell you cheap.

You obviously have NO CLUE at all what happens when the adrenaline rushes in combat do you? You are indeed oblivious to safeguards military forces impose to protect their own while the rounds are flying.

 

[strm]

in the latest israeli ground military operation, israeli troops rounded up over 600 militants(would be terrorists) ,and found massive caches of ammunition and discovered a rocket making factory with 10 ready to fly rockets(rock throwing children my ass) . the reason they were able to catch these guys was the fact that israel refused to allow any red cresent vehicles in. The took to using this tactict after last weeks failed atempt in Balata( by the time the fighting was over all the palestinian big wigs where mysteriously gone).

 

[Czar]

<< So you really think the soldiers are trying to shoot at ambulances. are you out of you mind? another guy who has no idea what it's like to be involved in a firefight. bullets are flying. each bullet can mean death for you. here comes a vehicle at 90 mph. oh its an ambulance, try to not to fire. oh it might be carrying terrorists. ooops wait, czar doesnt have proof. >>


Proof for what? the Isreali army has never given anyone proof that ambulances carry weapons, they have said they have proof but they havent shown anyone them. Isnt it blind support when you belive them just becuase they say so?

 

[etech]

They are being driven by Palestinians, have you ever read the PLO charter.

 

[BoltCase]

<< To answer your question, they were Palestinian. Do you really believe when the rounds are flying that commanders on the ground don't make mistakes? I just admire your "experienced insight" regarding armed conflicts. >>



Oh wait... they're palestinians ... so.. so... they must be terrorists and must be killed. Yes, that's it.

Sure, why not, palestinains can be killed no matter WHAT THEY DO. Being a palestinian is enough for the IDF to kill you.


and now, Let me rephrase that a little bit:

To answer your question, they were Blacks. Do you really believe when the rounds are flying that NYPD on the ground don't make mistakes? I just admire your "experienced insight" regarding armed conflicts.

 

[Czar]

<< They are being driven by Palestinians, have you ever read the PLO charter. >>


So because its Palestinians it automaticly makes them terrists, now thats a stupid logic.

 

[etech]

How do you tell the difference in the middle of a fire fight with terrorists?

 

[burnedout]

<< To answer your question, they were Palestinian. Do you really believe when the rounds are flying that commanders on the ground don't make mistakes? I just admire your "experienced insight" regarding armed conflicts. >>

Oh wait... they're palestinians ... so.. so... they must be terrorists and must be killed. Yes, that's it.

Sure, why not, palestinains can be killed no matter WHAT THEY DO. Being a palestinian is enough for the IDF to kill you.

I never stated that. I simply answered a question in which your obviously uninfomed self refused to answer.

and now, Let me rephrase that a little bit:

To answer your question, they were Blacks. Do you really believe when the rounds are flying that NYPD on the ground don't make mistakes? I just admire your "experienced insight" regarding armed conflicts.

How many of the blacks around them were armed and openly hostile?

 

[BoltCase]

<< So because its Palestinians it automaticly makes them terrists, now thats a stupid logic. >>



heheh yeah, it seems everyone is comfortable when Palestinians get killed, no matter what they are and what they do.

 

[Czar]

<< How do you tell the difference in the middle of a fire fight with terrorists? >>


Like, one is in an ambulence, not wearing a gun and maybe has a redcross sign on him, or maybe :Q he is actually trying to get to the wounded.