Ok, I'v had enough of Israel!!!

[ThePresence]

<< Hey jackass, King Hussein of Jordan Exiled the Palestinians. How stupid are you people? The basic scum of the earth (arabs)-besides oil, what do they contribute to the world? NOTHING! They threw the other A-RABS out. Not the jews. >>



Hussein did more than just exile them. He was killing them by the hundreds. And they accuse Israel of "ethnic cleansing". What a joke.

 

[BeauJangles]

The media should just stop covering this massacre and let it happen. Obviously the palistinians and the israelis wanna kill each other... let's just let them go at it and when they get sick of 1/2 their populations being killed off then they can work things out. And if they don't get sick of it: let the games begin.

 

[mboy]

<< The media should just stop covering this massacre and let it happen. Obviously the palistinians and the israelis wanna kill each other... let's just let them go at it and when they get sick of 1/2 their populations being killed off then they can work things out. And if they don't get sick of it: let the games begin. >>



Not a bad idea. Just remember, Isreal could end the ENTIRE thing inless then 48 hrs. if they really wanted to. It's amazing how Czar and some of you keep bitching at so called atrocities against the low life, dont contribute to ANYTHING globally, no ambition to acheive anything, Palestinians when Isreal could anhhiliate the entire population at will. Besides oil, what do Arabs and the other Middle Eastern lowlifes contribute to the world? Nothing but hate and oppression and BLIND religious nonsense. At least Isreal allows freedom withing their population, democracy, education and a desire to further themselves as a nation and as a people. Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanastan, Syria and Jordan can't claim this. All they want to do is keep their population down while the Aristocratic Monarchy or military dictatorships live and prosper off of the misery of it's people. Blame Isreal and the Jews all you want, but who would you rather have as your neighbor? Isreal or Arabs?

 

[zoiks]

Ive had enough of this too. For every single israeli that dies, theres 10 palestinians that get killed. I remember this all started with Sharon too. He has had a history of murder and he's not stopping right now. The world has condemned israel but that doesnt stop him. Im not saying Arafat is a saint but at least he doesnt go and order any suicide bombings in public. sharon on the other hand does this openly.
All those things about palestinians celebrating murder of any israeli may be true but then just recently i read 100,000 israelis marching on the street too against palestinians.
Its ironic israel is against hitler when they behave in the same way.

BTW im just an observer. Im not biased and wish every palestinian suicide bomber would explode in his sleep before he/she goes and blows innocent people up. I think Israel has gone too far. Ask Kofi Annan and the world.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< For every single israeli that dies, theres 10 palestinians that get killed >>

I haven't the time to read this entire thread so if my observations have already been made please excuse my redundancy. The above comment could be said about the Gulf war and present Afghanistan conflict as well. Many more Iraqis and Taliban/Al-Queada forces have died than Allied/Americans in these conflicts, does that lend rightousness or justness to the causes of the Iraqis or Taliban? Ofcourse not and the same applies to this conflict, simply because far more of one group of combatants die than another lends no substance or validity to the claims put forth by the group being badly beaten. If your using terror tactics and targeting civilians then henceforth you'll be brought to task for it. Furthermore, Arafat rejected the offer tabled in 2000 during the Clinton Administration that would have given them 90% of what they wanted for fear of assasination by radicals within his own organization. Remember that he began as a terrorist before adopting the facade of a civilized statesmen. Israel will eventualy make concessions to achieve peace in the region but not until Arafat and his ilk are removed from power. Till that day dawns, there will be many more lamentable deaths

 

[snooker]

<< I haven't the time to read this entire thread so if my observations have already been made please excuse my redundancy. The above comment could be said about the Gulf war and present Afghanistan conflict as well. Many more Iraqis and Taliban/Al-Queada forces have died than Allied/Americans in these conflicts, does that lend rightousness or justness to the causes of the Iraqis or Taliban? Ofcourse not and the same applies to this conflict, simply because far more of one group of combatants die than another lends no substance or validity to the claims put forth by the group being badly beaten. If your using terror tactics and targeting civilians then henceforth you'll be brought to task for it. Furthermore, Arafat rejected the offer tabled in 2000 during the Clinton Administration that would have given them 90% of what they wanted for fear of assasination by radicals within his own organization. Remember that he began as a terrorist before adopting the facade of a civilized statesmen. Israel will eventualy make concessions to achieve peace in the region but not until Arafat and his ilk are removed from power. Till that day dawns, there will be many more lamentable deaths >>




I can't agree with you more. It is like this:

Yes there was a war in 1967 in which Isreal took land from the palestinians. Ever since then the Palestinians have been engaged in terrorist acts against Isreal using their land being taken as an excuse.

Have the palestinians ever thought to stop and look at the overall picture? If they do not stop these terrorist acts against innocent Isrealis then I really do not see any Palestinians left in the future to commit them. Look at all the other wars that have taken place in history. This is the only one that the 'loser' of the war just simply will not accept that and decided to start targeting civilians. WELL ACCEPT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think about it, when the Americans won the American Revolutionary war over the British you didn't see the British start commiting terrorist acts in the name if freedom. Face it Palestine, your time has come to evolve into something else so get moving or you will miss the boat and then there will be no more palestine or any palestinians.

 

[VFAA]

<< Hey jackass, King Hussein of Jordan Exiled the Palestinians. How stupid are you people? The basic scum of the earth (arabs)-besides oil, what do they contribute to the world? NOTHING! They threw the other A-RABS out. Not the jews.
>>



True, but how do the jews contribute to our world? They've got the money and in todays world, if you got the money, you can buy anything on earth.

"We will not abandon our best and closest friends in Israel" - President George W. Bush

Best friends, eh? I though that Canada was USA #1 friend... Then so thought UK... Hmmmm now it's the jews... Interesting... As I said above, money talks.

 

[VFAA]

<< Think about it, when the Americans won the American Revolutionary war over the British you didn't see the British start commiting terrorist acts in the name if freedom. Face it Palestine, your time has come to evolve into something else so get moving or you will miss the boat and then there will be no more palestine or any palestinians. >>



You're looking at the wrong picture... Israelis took their land by force just like Slobodan Milosevic was doing in Kosovo... Yeah, I'd be *issed that someone is taking my land by force. Overall, Israelis killed more Palestinian civilians. Don't believe me? Go read the books...

 

[snooker]

I know Isreal has suffered less losses then the palestinians. My point is, What happened happened almost 40 years ago, and it is the palestinians who keeps dragging it out. I am not an Isreali nor a jew, but I do see the overall picture the the palestinians are sending kids to blow themselves up, for what? The kids do not even know, they just know that by killing themselves as well as others they will goto heaven and get 79 virgin women (or men in the case of the female bombers). I thought the almighty God is the one who decided who goes to heaven and who doesn't, not the Men and women that are taking these children and telling them to blow themselves up. That sounds like brainwashing more then anything.

Speaking of the American Revolutionary war, thousands died then too, just like over in the middle east, but it all lasted less then a year, whereas the palestinians have dragged it out to more then 30 years now. When will they quit? When Isreal gives the land back or when all palestinians are dead?

Also it isn't whomever has the most money is a friend of the United States. It all has to do with freedom and living in peace with each other. It appears Isreal has tried to live in peace with the palestinians but the Palestinians simply do not want the same.

What would happen if the US decided the only way to restore peace was to send the US Military into the region to restore peace?? See what happened in Afganistan? Peace was retored there within months of the US Military showing up.


As long as the Palestinian government allows groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and all the others to conduct terrorist acts on Isreal, then Isreal has all the rights in the world to go in and stop the actions at their sources, and that happens to be in Palesinian controlled areas.

 

[VFAA]

<< Also it isn't whomever has the most money is a friend of the United States. It all has to do with freedom and living in peace with each other. It appears Isreal has tried to live in peace with the palestinians but the Palestinians simply do not want the same. >>



Are you 100% sure and positive about that?



<< What would happen if the US decided the only way to restore peace was to send the US Military into the region to restore peace?? See what happened in Afganistan? Peace was retored there within months of the US Military showing up. >>



Not to sound rude to my US neighbours in the south but most of the people I know believe that your government involves too much in other countries business in the past 50 years. We all know the wars, no need to mention them again. Afghanistan was different, The USA didn't go there to save the women and children from being harmed by Taliban. USA went after the believed terrorists, Bin Laden and Al Queda network. Since Taliban wasn't co-operating and gave an impression of hiding the terrorists, the USA had no choice but to include the former Afghan government into the fight. Peace was restored (according to our society, but how do you know Afghan people really feel like about US forces being present in their country?) not by USA alone. There were a lot of foreign soldiers and special ops sent from countries all over the Europe, South America and other continents to assist the USA. The Afghan operation involves world-wide co-operation. In my opinion, the USA should stay out of Israel and the Palestinians. Let the Israeli PM and Arafat decide on what to do. Also a personal opinion here; It's known that the Israelis don't like the arabs for what arabs did to them centuries ago. So since the USA entered the Afghan airspace to drop some things off, the Isreali PM was ticked about something with the USA and demanded an appology from the George W. Bush (forgot what it was about). Mr. Bush raced to the podium to appologize for something with this quote 'We will not abandon our best and closest friends in Israel'. Relationship is fixed. USA bombs Afghanistan. Taliban falls... yadda yadda yadda... Meanwhile the Isreal starts a new war for themselves with the Palestinians and perhaps expects the USA to help them out with the 'terrorists'. Israel set this one up nicely. Here's my question; Why should the USA get involved with the current Israeli war while the Israelis did nothing to help their 'best friends in the west' in the fight for Afghanistan? Remind you, that's my personal opinion, may sound like facts to some or may sound like garbage to the others. Nevertheless, it's gonna take a lot of arguments and facts to change my opinion on current events.

Peace;

 

[mboy]

<<

<< Think about it, when the Americans won the American Revolutionary war over the British you didn't see the British start commiting terrorist acts in the name if freedom. Face it Palestine, your time has come to evolve into something else so get moving or you will miss the boat and then there will be no more palestine or any palestinians. >>



You're looking at the wrong picture... Israelis took their land by force just like Slobodan Milosevic was doing in Kosovo... Yeah, I'd be *issed that someone is taking my land by force. Overall, Israelis killed more Palestinian civilians. Don't believe me? Go read the books... >>


So how did the Jews get all the money you claim they have? They sure didn't rape and pillage other copuntriesd and steal it? They didn't sell oil. They educated themselves and earned it!
Isreal did not invade Palestinian land and take it just to take their land. Comparing them to Milosevic is a joke. If Isreal wanted to cleanse the earth of palestinians, it would be done in a DAYS.
Isreal took the land because 7 or s countries were lining up to attack them and they kicked the crap out of themn, then took the land. Go back to school beloved patriot lover!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< but how do you know Afghan people really feel like about US forces being present in their country? >>

From all reports, many would like us to leave.....but leave the food and weapons ofcourse and that's just not going to happen Pal. I noticed your name is Kamil, are you of Middle Eastern decsent? That would explain what is from my perspective, extremely unobjective, illogical, and inaccurate rantings/opinions. While your viewpoint is welcome, your obvious loathing/contempt for Israelis is not.

<< Meanwhile the Israel starts a new war for themselves with the Palestinians and perhaps expects the USA to help them out with the 'terrorists'. Israel set this one up nicely. Here's my question; Why should the USA get involved with the current Israeli war while the Israelis did nothing to help their 'best friends in the west' in the fight for Afghanistan? >>

This conspiracy theory is preposterous and based on wild speculation and bias. Now to address the question concerning the U.S./Israeli relationship; You would have the Israelis become involved in conflict in any Arab country such as Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan??? What you must realize(unless your a madman!!!) is that the entire Arab world would go completely insane over it(a short trip evidently) and the fallout would be calamitous to say the least. BTW, despite the doom criers and chicken littles, we really don't need the help

<< In my opinion, the USA should stay out of Israel and the Palestinians >>

This comment is also illogical and misinformed as mboy pointed out, Israel is capable of crushing the Palestinians swiftly and decisively and I will add to that by stating that they most probably would have already done so if not for our obvious influence over them. Were the U.S. to withdraw completely from our involvement, it would be like removing the referee from a Mike Tyson fight; absolute carnage :Q

 

[kulki]

<<
Btw, what happend a nubmer of yrs back at Camp David when Isreal offeded EVERYTHING the Palestinians (Araft asked for ) EVERYTHING, when they finally got it, Arafat said, Well, this is nice, but now we want more? Arafat will be Dead by May, just you wait and see. If the Palestinians don't stop their crap, they will be dead (all of them by yrs end)

>>


is that really true that Israelis agreed to all of palestinian demands?

 

[burnedout]

*******Breaking News*******

Terrorist says orders come from Arafat

TULKARM, West Bank -- A leader of the largest Palestinian terrorist group spearheading suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel says he is following the orders of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

:Q

SOURCE: USA Today

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

<< *******Breaking News*******

Terrorist says orders come from Arafat

TULKARM, West Bank -- A leader of the largest Palestinian terrorist group spearheading suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel says he is following the orders of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

:Q

SOURCE: USA Today >>




Merely a confirmation of what everyone knows (even the Euros) but would never admit.
I, for one, hope Arafat is summarily killed by the IDF.

 

[etech]

That's a big "well duuhhh". Of course Arafat is giving orders to the terrorists. He was a terrorist, he is a terrorist and until something is done he will be a terrorist.

 

[burnedout]

Merely a confirmation of what everyone knows (even the Euros) but would never admit.

That's a big "well duuhhh". Of course Arafat is giving orders to the terrorists. He was a terrorist, he is a terrorist and until something is done he will be a terrorist.

Certainly. I've known he was a terrorist since Munich '72.

Just a friendly little reminder from a credible news source for all of the "death to Israel" fans out there.

 

[VFAA]

DAPUNISHER



<< From all reports, many would like us to leave.....but leave the food and weapons ofcourse and that's just not going to happen Pal. I noticed your name is Kamil, are you of Middle Eastern decsent? That would explain what is from my perspective, extremely unobjective, illogical, and inaccurate rantings/opinions. While your viewpoint is welcome, your obvious loathing/contempt for Israelis is not. >>



NOPE, I'm a Canadian... Just like all my family is from a Canadain descend. Don't assume that I'm a middle eastern or a Arab by my name because that's just plain rude. If you REALLY need to know, I was named 'Kamil" after some French scientist my dad admired (sigh)...


mboy

I'd stick a fire cracker up your arse if I could but I'll just pass on since you can't read the most important part I mentioned --------> 'It's my own opinion on current middle eastern affairs'.


Just to clear some things up, I don't take sides and no I do not love arabs as you stated. If you got problems with arabs and something that's part of their culture and religion than you'd better wake up and smell the roses racist boy.

Also, the remaining Jewish society got their money and all the goods stolen from their ancestors and family after the WW2. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO FEW THAT SURVIVED PAST THE WAR. Would you have an idea how much unclaimed money still remains in Swiss banks that belong to Jews? LOTS!


Lastly but not least, I don't hate Jews or Palestinians or whatever else some of you may think of. I just tried to get involved in a conversation.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< I'd stick a fire cracker up your arse if I could but I'll just pass on since you can't read the most important part I mentioned >>

Speaking of rude... I only made the supposition concerning the ethnic derivation of your name due to your(despite your protestations to the contrary) obvious hostility towards the Israelis. Perhaps instead of taking umbrage at the question I posed you concerning your ancestry, you could reply to the statements I've made in response to your statements. That way you and I can continue to have a constructive dialogue from which each of us can come to better understand the other's perceptions of the world around us?

<< Just to clear some things up, I don't take sides >>

Please reread your previous posts and you'll perhaps understand how others can arrive at such a conclusion based upon their content.

 

[VFAA]

LOL I forgot to remember before I posted in here that you need to have a degree in history and speak eloquently. I really don't take sides or dislike one culture or another. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I just stated my opinion and how I feel about the Jew government "actions".

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<< I forgot to remember >>

an oxymoron?!? A word of advice, don't quote others comments and attempt to argue them unless your prepared to back your assertions up. I would not have responded to your post had they not been full o' FUD and directed at another poster's comments. Lastly, I appologize if I offended you by my comments earlier as it was certainly not my intention to do so Hang loose brudda

 

[VFAA]

Yep, was speaking sarcastically

 

[Passner]

VFAA, it seems like you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, judging by your opinion on the "Jew government" and how the Jews got rich off the Holocaust and that they rule everything b/c the have money. I have a friend who wants to go the McGill, I will show him your posts to try and convince him to go to a nice American University, where, unlike Montreal, they don't pass anti-Semetic sanctions in their Universities. You are just a part of the problem VFAA.

 

[Passner]

To be honest, I knew all along that Arafat was behind it all. What surprised me was the fact that it leaked out. However the Palestinians have a history of letting things slip, like the people who said the Intifada was premeditated and not a result of Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount (which he should have been free to do anyway, it was the site of the Beit HaMikdash,) or the time a leading Palestinian made it clear that the Palestinians have enough hard weapons to fight a LONG guerilla war.

 

[VFAA]

LOL that was a good nef... Sorry guys, but my 200th post was coming and I really wanted to make good of it...