NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[DrMrLordX]

Not if you’ve quashed your outbreak.

If that's really the case, you would move to testing over PPE and shields, I would think? Some cultures won't put up with the masks as we have learned.

 

[Brainonska511]

It's great for men that don't die.



Pitches like that lead to pork when you're talking about government spending. Lobster treadmills could lead to the next great breakthrough! Look at how they discovered Viagra! Etc. I've seen it before on infotainment news shows. Some lobbyist on Fox News defending a pet project.

The myth of the "wasteful" shrimp treadmill... That thing never dies. People take one small thing of a much larger project and blow everything way out of proportion. Bacterial immune systems doesn't necessarily sound very interesting either.

Grant money isn't just handed out willy-nilly. Proposals are actually peer reviewed

 

[K1052]

If that's really the case, you would move to testing over PPE and shields, I would think? Some cultures won't put up with the masks as we have learned.

Quashed doesn’t mean eradicated. The latter is only certain with a vaccine in everybody. Many precautions are still necessary to prevent a resurgence.

Yes, some cultures won’t put up with masks. These are stupid peoples.

 

[CZroe]

I honestly don't know what you're complaining about.

I was merely pointing out to the basic research haters who think studying X is useless as those studies from many years prior may actually have substantial value later on.

I have never seen anyone who thought CRISPR or studying bacteria is worthless.

"Research haters?" Well, if they exist and you "merely" wanted to call them out by stating something embarrassingly obvious, well, I'm not obligated to keep my mouth shut. It was amusing. My response to the same post you were responding to:

I figure anyone who knows what CRISPR is knows this, [that it came from bacteria,] since it comes along with the explanation of what it does and how it's important.

Yes, I love ironically making worthless posts to call out worthless posts *coolshades* You never know what may come out from discoveries!

Anyway, I wouldn't call the discovery of CRISPR "basic" research either. Everyone who doesn't know what it is should see this video:

It really is amazing.

The myth of the "wasteful" shrimp treadmill... That thing never dies. People take one small thing of a much larger project and blow everything way out of proportion. Bacterial immune systems doesn't necessarily sound very interesting either.

Grant money isn't just handed out willy-nilly. Proposals are actually peer reviewed

Joking, right? "Interesting" would be an understatement. It's pretty much a Holy Grail. The potential here is mind-blowing ...and yet here we are acting like the amazing part is merely that it was found in a bacteria.

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Grant money isn't just handed out willy-nilly. Proposals are actually peer reviewed

Really? Okay, glad to know where you stand on that subject.

Yes, some cultures won’t put up with masks. These are stupid peoples.

If they are in a voting majority and if their representative officials in government respect their wishes, they get what they want. If we tried to reopen schools around here with those precautionary measures, we would see two responses in the majoirty:

1). "If they need masks and shields, it isn't safe yet"
2). "My kids aren't wearing a mask just because you said so"

Possibly both.

I'd be more along the lines of 1). Though with the quality of masks some people are getting around here, I have to ask, why bother?

Sohn: Gov. Lee's sock masks may not be protective or cost-effective either | Chattanooga Times Free Press

If a breezy sock is all we need to protect ourselves and others from COVID-19, why should Tennesseans pay for a black one that appears to be ill-fitting with a TN in the corner? Just order some socks and some elastic from Amazon and move on.

www.timesfreepress.com

 

[Ichinisan]

It really is just childish dumb shit.

There aren't general laws you can slap on everyday things in life.



But it's overall actually quite simple:

Avoid touching shit you don't have to.... Such as other people's hands...

Keep a general safe distance others. If you don't have to be close then don't.

Wash hands / use hand sanitizer often

Refrain from touching your face. If you must, thoroughly wash hands first.





But for some reason people have to be full blown retard.

A friend needed an "emergency" ride home last night from the restaurant where he works. I arrived at the restaurant to see him and 4 or 5 co-workers not distancing themselves at all. Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[Ichinisan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine

U.S. vaccine effectiveness by start year:[25][26][27]

2004	10%
2005	21%
2006	52%
2007	37%
2008	41%
2009	56%
2010	60%
2011	47%
2012	49%
2013	52%
2014	19%
2015	48%
2016	40%
2017	38%
2018	29%
2019	45% es

I wonder what the effectiveness of the first ever corona virus vaccine will be.

Flu vaccines are for multiple strains, specifically ignoring some strains that aren't expected to be prevalent in the next 6 months or so.

A SARS-COV-2 vaccine would likely be effective for all known strains, because the virus hasn't been in people long enough to diversify the way flu has.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think that I already had it back in early February, and the experience really wasn't much worse than the flu. Lots of coughing and difficulty breathing, but it never felt like it was going to kill me.

What's funny is that I was going to do a "Coolcoin Cares" program where the first confirmed case of 'Rona on ATOT from a Diamond Member or Lifer was going to get a t-shirt, but if I'm right I'd have to award myself the t-shirt. Awkward.

I'm not concerned for myself. I'm concerned for the people downstream who would be infected, including elderly and people with health complications.

As I have mentioned, I might have had it in March. My throat felt strange for a week. Not even sore, but definitely something. The idea that I caught something LESS virulent / LESS contagious than SARS-COV-2 while being as careful as possible just seems highly unlikely. My twin brother (who has also been my roommate as he avoids a health-compromised family member) also got sick soon after me. He actually had some minor symptoms. Also 100% gone after a week.

 

[ultimatebob]

Quashed doesn’t mean eradicated. The latter is only certain with a vaccine in everybody. Many precautions are still necessary to prevent a resurgence.

Yes, some cultures won’t put up with masks. These are stupid peoples.

You know that some people just can't wear a mask because they can't breathe right while wearing one, right?

 

[K1052]

If they are in a voting majority and if their representative officials in government respect their wishes, they get what they want. If we tried to reopen schools around here with those precautionary measures, we would see two responses in the majoirty:

1). "If they need masks and shields, it isn't safe yet"
2). "My kids aren't wearing a mask just because you said so"

Possibly both.

I'd be more along the lines of 1). Though with the quality of masks some people are getting around here, I have to ask, why bother?

Sohn: Gov. Lee's sock masks may not be protective or cost-effective either | Chattanooga Times Free Press

If a breezy sock is all we need to protect ourselves and others from COVID-19, why should Tennesseans pay for a black one that appears to be ill-fitting with a TN in the corner? Just order some socks and some elastic from Amazon and move on.

www.timesfreepress.com

Give parents a couple more months at home with their kids and they'll probably agree to about any measures to get them back in school.

Perhaps the most important part of combating any outbreak is public health communication. There is little possible argument that the government has failed spectacularly at this task. There are of course selfish political motivations for some of this that go beyond the stated limits of this thread.

I've bought maybe 10 different kinds of cloth masks with wildly differing fits and quality. The government should have gotten together with some designers and put together the best options with different sizes for mass production. Also cheaping out is bad:

But unlike the original Wake Forest-designed Nightingale, which retails online for $180 for a pack of 24 ($7.50 each), Tennessee's masks cost the state $1.65 each, according to spokesman Dean Flener. That's because while the design is the same, the material is different. These are made with terry polyester and treated with Silvadur, a non-toxic silver antimicrobial good for 25 industrial washes.

Renfro Corp. said the difference in material was in order to meet the needs and budget of the state.

 

[K1052]

You know that some people just can't wear a mask because they can't breathe right while wearing one, right?

Then stay home. Wandering around outside among people if you've got a breathing difficulty during an outbreak of a disease that nukes the lungs seems like a pretty bad idea.

 

[Ichinisan]

From what i heard, COVID-19 antibody tests are much more available than COVID-19 infection tests so you should have no problems having it done.

Where did you hear this? SARS-COV-2 antibody tests are still very new. Also there were a lot of fake tests sold online.

 

[K1052]

Where did you hear this? Antibody tests are still very new. Also there were a lot of fake tests sold online.

You can easily get them through Quest who's running the Abbott Labs test (100% sensitive, 99.6% specific FDA verified). Don't trust the cheap Chinese lateral flow quick tests floating around out there.

 

[Ichinisan]

You can easily get them through Quest who's running the Abbott Labs test (100% sensitive, 99.6% specific FDA verified). Don't trust the cheap Chinese lateral flow quick tests floating around out there.

Any idea how much the antibody test costs if it's not covered by insurance?

I might want to get tested myself and pay for a few others to be tested.

 

[K1052]

Any idea how much the antibody test costs if it's not covered by insurance?

I might want to get tested myself and pay for a few others to be tested.

Per Quest $119 plus a blood draw fee. Mine was no cost since I got my doc to order it.

 

[gill77]

Flu vaccines are for multiple strains, specifically ignoring some strains that aren't expected to be prevalent in the next 6 months or so.

A SARS-COV-2 vaccine would likely be effective for all known strains, because the virus hasn't been in people long enough to diversify the way flu has.

Just curious. Given that this would be the first human coronavirus and that it has already mutated, what would you expect the effectiveness to be?

 

[Ichinisan]

Just curious. Given that this would be the first human coronavirus and that it has already mutated, what would you expect the effectiveness to be?

I expect near 100%, but I'm no expert. This is not the first human coronavirus. The previous SARS coronavirus never got a vaccine, but was stopped by isolation. I suppose it was nowhere near as virulent / contagious since it was possible to stop with just quarantines and contact tracing. Apparently it had a far greater death rate though, so it was easier to convince people to take appropriate actions in affected circles before it got way out of hand.

 

[H T C]

Where did you hear this? SARS-COV-2 antibody tests are still very new. Also there were a lot of fake tests sold online.

I may have heard wrong: apologies.

 

[CZroe]

Just curious. Given that this would be the first human coronavirus and that it has already mutated, what would you expect the effectiveness to be?

What? "First human Coronavirus?"

Various coronaviruses are endemic in humans. Coronavirus is responsible for about a third of all common colds. There are human coronaviruses and there are animal coronaviruses and sometimes a new strain for which we have no immunity makes the jump, just like pandemic influenzas.

MERS was a coronavirus. SARS was a coronavirus. The vaccine for COVID-19 (disease) would only apply to the new/novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.

 

[gill77]

Sorry about that. Fixed it. Coronavirus vaccine. Currently none for SARS, MERS, covid-19 or the common cold.

 

[CZroe]

Sorry about that. Fixed it. Coronavirus vaccine. Currently none for SARS, MERS, covid-19 or the common cold.

Yeah. That's had me puzzled. It seems that we've been operating on the assumption that we can just make a vaccine like we do for flu. The explanation we keep hearing for the lack of a SARS vaccine was that research dollars dried up after people stopped dying so several promising vaccine research projects were shelved, but that doesn't explain why we don't have one for MERS 8 years after it broke out.

Earlier in the thread I questioned why there wasn't one for MERS if we take it for granted that we can make one for this. I mean, MERS is already endemic and very deadly.

 

[Ichinisan]

Sorry about that. Fixed it. Coronavirus vaccine. Currently none for SARS, MERS, covid-19 or the common cold.

Certainly a possibility we won't get an effective vaccine for this, but if one is developed I expect one extreme or the other (near-100% effective or near-0%).

I hear of promising vaccines being tested but I've also heard contradictory reports about various drugs for treating the infected. Most of us can only watch and wait.

 

[K1052]

Looks like NIH is prepping for the possibility of human challenge trials for vaccine candidates.

The US government’s medical research arm is preparing the ground for Covid-19 “human challenge trials” that would deliberately infect healthy volunteers with coronavirus, as part of efforts to accelerate work on the development of a vaccine.

Francis Collins, director of National Institutes of Health, has asked the NIH vaccines working group to “write a perspective on the scientific and practical considerations for a Covid-19 human challenge model”. The group, which includes senior vaccine developers from universities and industry, will meet on May 11 to discuss the issue.

https://www.ft.com/content/0e7f1aff-9323-4d82-93ff-bbc5c20514d0

There is a lot that has to be organized and it would take a few months but that would dovetail with the completion of Phase 2 safety and efficacy data from some vaccine candidates and the likely more effective therapeutics that will become available (antibody therapy).

 

[gill77]

Yeah. That's had me puzzled. It seems that we've been operating on the assumption that we can just make a vaccine like we do for flu. The explanation we keep hearing for the lack of a SARS vaccine was that research dollars dried up after people stopped dying so several promising vaccine research projects were shelved, but that doesn't explain why we don't have one for MERS 8 years after it broke out.

Earlier in the thread I questioned why there wasn't one for MERS if we take it for granted that we can make one for this. I mean, MERS is already endemic and very deadly.

I heard they thought they had one for SARS, but test subjects started having heart attacks.

 

[Kaido]

80,000 dead in America

Has there been any explanation as to why America has more than 2x as many deaths than other countries?