NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[BUTCH1]

lol Oh California. Do you ever learn your lessons?

Apparently not because your rich folks keep coming to our states and infesting the votes you are leaving into ours. Those who don't learn are damned to repeat it, etc...

California to Assist Illegal Immigrants Affected by Coronavirus

A $125 million assistance fund for illegal immigrants who have lost work due to the coronavirus pandemic but can’t access traditional unemployment insurance will be created by California.

www.wsj.com

Those people are the ones doing jobs like harvesting crops no one else really wants, next time you have a salad or eat some fruit maybe you should stop and think about it.

 

[CZroe]

Those people are the ones doing jobs like harvesting crops no one else really wants, next time you have a salad or eat some fruit maybe you should stop and think about it.

That's an oversimplification but we're getting way too political already.

 

[pmv]

Here - I'll try to spell this out for you....

MORE PEOPLE are LEAVING YO' STATE-O THAN JOINING YOUR STATE-O. COMPRENDE?

I have zero sympathy for paying excessive taxation that your state loves to employ.

No need to shout - you could have just editted your original post so that it used standard English. I couldn't figure out what "infesting the votes you are leaving into ours " was supposed to mean either.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That's 42 CONFIRMED cases. That's what they should be saying every time in the media. I saw it said by an expert in some context that the actual number of cases was likely 100x that.

That's why I'm saying before calling it good, you would still need a 14 day period where the number never changes as new cases might pop up. If more people get sick (even just a mild cough) then they should get tested and if it's positive the quarantine stays in effect longer. IDEALLY they should be testing everyone in one way or the other but they won't and guess they don't have the resources, and it would only mean something if people got RETESTED regularly, otherwise who's to say they got it after getting tested from someone that didn't get tested yet. Either way this is going to be hard to isolate 100%.

Basically what I'm saying is, at some point, we need to call it and reopen stuff. It might be easier to do that on a per region basis than try to wait till it's gone EVERYWHERE. When one region has managed to get rid of the virus with near certainty then they can start to slowly ramp things back up, but still keep travel restrictions to avoid bringing it in again.

I still say, from the very beginning, all international flights should have been cancelled within a week of the virus breaking out in China. Give a chance for people to come back from their vacation, force them to quarantine, then stop all flights in and out except for cargo. That was the biggest mistake of probably all governments really.

 

[H T C]

What is it that you are getting at? I'm suggesting that NYC was naturally going to be in a worse position because their average daily commuters are shoulder to shoulder with strangers whereas in Atlanta that was most certainly not going to be the case. If you think close proximity has nothing to do with it, fine. I do.

I see the problem: you thought i was mentioning NY just because it's the hardest hit area in America.

Instead of NY, try to do what i suggested for ANY PLACE that has an above average (for the country): what were the average hospitalizations pre-COVID-19 in the place you picked, and what is the current number? What hospitalization percentage does COVID-19 have?

 

[BUTCH1]

That's an oversimplification but we're getting way too political already.

Yea, true, who knows, if unemployment gets bad enough you might see people doing these jobs who would have never though of it otherwise. Now meat production is going to take a huge hit, these folks do a tough job packed together shoulder to shoulder and guess what?, they're getting sick now. Many who work there are not illegals but don't have citizenship either, no bailout check or unemployment for them, they've been trying to work sick and it's catching up.

 

[killster1]

I guess the way I'm referring to it is this: When there is a standard line (say - check-out at a grocery store)... How close do people behind you stand behind you? 3-4 feet? or barely 6 inches to the point where you couldn't even take a step back?

I experience that shit a lot in South America - and also with the equivalent types in the US. Annoys the shit out of me.

and if someone is so close to you why dont you force them to move? you are scared? i always speak my mind no matter what, i get in trouble for it all the time but in a store line its no problem people will move away if you ask them or create a barrier for them like stand infront of your cart instead of behind for example.

 

[killster1]

went to the beach all day yesterday with the family, everyone was distanced even more then usual, also got my korean air refund after 4+ weeks of waiting! yeah! 2400$.. everyone at in and out and olive garden had masks and gloves was really cool to see. costco was nice with most people with masks and not very many people in the store and no line to get in. had so much fun that now i sit here sunburned, even got to see 3 hot girls strip naked and change into bathing suits (even tho i pretended not to look since my wife was there too )

 

[Mai72]

Here is a live stream of a beach in Thailand.

 

[Iron Woode]

We're up to 42 cases in my region now.

Still doing half decent though compared to other places in general. I feel if they blocked all traffic into the region and stopped people from also leaving it would probably be safe to start reopening stuff here. I think this may be the best approach where you let certain regions go back to normal, but restrict travel in and out of those regions other than supply chain deliveries, with many precautions. At least then the world can partially start going back to normal. You would of course need to wait 14 days since the last case before doing it though.

250 cases in my region and 12 deaths so far.

 

[Muse]

He's talking about all the people who leave California for greener pastures in other states and then vote in similar policies. It's an often-discussed phenomenon in conservative circles.

Gee, well, isn't that perfectly within their rights? Sheesh.

 

[Muse]

Here - I'll try to spell this out for you....

MORE PEOPLE are LEAVING YO' STATE-O THAN JOINING YOUR STATE-O. COMPRENDE?

I have zero sympathy for paying excessive taxation that your state loves to employ.

Ok, then don't live here.

 

[Muse]

That's why I'm saying before calling it good, you would still need a 14 day period where the number never changes as new cases might pop up. If more people get sick (even just a mild cough) then they should get tested and if it's positive the quarantine stays in effect longer. IDEALLY they should be testing everyone in one way or the other but they won't and guess they don't have the resources, and it would only mean something if people got RETESTED regularly, otherwise who's to say they got it after getting tested from someone that didn't get tested yet. Either way this is going to be hard to isolate 100%.

Basically what I'm saying is, at some point, we need to call it and reopen stuff. It might be easier to do that on a per region basis than try to wait till it's gone EVERYWHERE. When one region has managed to get rid of the virus with near certainty then they can start to slowly ramp things back up, but still keep travel restrictions to avoid bringing it in again.

I still say, from the very beginning, all international flights should have been cancelled within a week of the virus breaking out in China. Give a chance for people to come back from their vacation, force them to quarantine, then stop all flights in and out except for cargo. That was the biggest mistake of probably all governments really.

Have you seen Gov. Newsom's ~6 point criteria plan for gauging how to reopen things? He, the gov. of California met with govs of Oregon and Washington and scientists the last few days and worked it up. It makes a lot of sense. You don't just say, everybody out, work, enjoy.

California’s coronavirus reopening: Gavin Newsom’s six-point plan will alter daily life

Even when lockdown measures are modified, life will be “anything but” normal, Gov....

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[Roger Wilco]

Fox News is reporting that “sources” believe this was actually leaked from a Wuhan lab. The narrative seems to be that this was not a bio weapon, however.

 

[ultimatebob]

Fox News is reporting that “sources” believe this was actually leaked from a Wuhan lab. The narrative seems to be that this was not a bio weapon, however.

If this is true, can you imagine the blowback on this one? Just the economic sanctions placed on China for this would send them back to the dark ages.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If this is true, can you imagine the blowback on this one? Just the economic sanctions placed on China for this would send them back to the dark ages.

Lol you're funny.

They will continue to love the low cost labor and reduced regulations.

Wag the finger and say "Don't you do that again," along with a wink wink. If there is any scrutiny, companies like Apple will be sure to convince our current Administration.

 

[ultimatebob]

Lol you're funny.

They will continue to love the low cost labor and reduced regulations.

Wag the finger and say "Don't you do that again," along with a wink wink. If there is any scrutiny, companies like Apple will be sure to convince our current Administration.

I think that you'll get a bit more than a finger wag after killing 200,000 people. World wars have been started over much less than that.

Anyway, I should probably be a good boy and keep the political fallout over this out of the non political ATOT thread. That said, I do find it interesting that CNN and MSNBC aren't saying a word about this so far (as of 9 PM 4/15, anyway).

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Meh. Just statistics is what they will reason. Unless s bullet leaves a chamber they will live in blissful ignorance.

 

[CZroe]

Fox News is reporting that “sources” believe this was actually leaked from a Wuhan lab. The narrative seems to be that this was not a bio weapon, however.

Researchers from South China University published an academic paper months ago saying that it "probably" came from a lab in Wuhan. The paper got retracted though.

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The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus

Botao Xiao & Lei Xiao
South China University of Technology


The 2019-nCoV has caused an epidemic of 28,060 laboratory-confirmed infections in human including 564 deaths in China by February 6, 2020. Two descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week indicated that the genome sequences from patients were almost identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus. It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed onto human. An article published on The Lancet reported that 27 of 41 infected patients were found to have contact with the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 meters from the seafood market. We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory. Our proposal provided an alternative origin of the coronavirus in addition to natural recombination and intermediate host.

Similarly, prestigious Fudan University in China openly stated a few days ago that new rules stipulated that all research into the origins of the virus had to be overseen by the state to be "strictly managed." When questioned about it they admitted that they weren't supposed to say that publicly and the message disappeared from their site.

Edit:

China imposes restrictions on research into origins of coronavirus

China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.

www.google.com

 

[IronWing]

I think that you'll get a bit more than a finger wag after killing 200,000 people. World wars have been started over much less than that.

Anyway, I should probably be a good boy and keep the political fallout over this out of the non political ATOT thread. That said, I do find it interesting that CNN and MSNBC aren't saying a word about this so far (as of 9 PM 4/15, anyway).

Mainly because this hypothesis has been floating around since January and no one has provided evidence to take it any further.

 

[CZroe]

Mainly because this hypothesis has been floating around since January and no one has provided evidence to take it any further.

There has been more. Much more.

 

[IronWing]

There has been more. Much more.

I mean from sources other than youtube neckbeards.

 

[ultimatebob]

I mean from sources other than youtube neckbeards.

Yeah, you're going to need some rock solid evidence for something like this, which is going to be tough to find. If any of this is true, I'm sure that China made sure that anyone involved with this project has been "disappeared" a long time ago.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Fox News is reporting that “sources” believe this was actually leaked from a Wuhan lab. The narrative seems to be that this was not a bio weapon, however.

Ummmm....this is not a "new" report. There has been plenty posted about this. Go back and re-read the thread homeboy.

 

[ultimatebob]

Ummmm....this is not a "new" report. There has been plenty posted about this. Go back and re-read the thread homeboy.

They must think that they have something new... it's headline news on both their web site and their news shows.