NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

Likely to get a booster in the near future. Not in the age bracket/high risk, but will like start traveling for work soon(ish).

I will of course consult my doctor, as I am not a horse's ass.

I never asked my doctor, I knew the answer if I did. When I did tell him I was Moderna vaxxed, he said "great!" When I told him I was Moderna boosted he congratulated me and said he was Moderna boosted on the same day.

 

[Torn Mind]

The vaccines are the difference here. Big Pharma has quite a bad rep but these covid-19 vaccines have done a lot to improve that, for me anyway. I pity the folks who are blind to this.

These vaccines do not vindicate Big Pharma in any way. It's just that the vaccines allow people to avoid dealing with doctors and hospitals to begin with most of the time. The few who do get the vaccine and develop complications are literally kicked to the curb by the hive mind as undesirables for reporting symptoms that have legitimate cause.

Furthermore, Big Pharma thrives on the grain-fed humans who fatten themselves excessivelly. These happen to be a group of people who have a strong correlation of dropping like flies upon contracting the virus.

 

[PingSpike]

Every person I know has either boosted or plans to do so before Thanksgiving, regardless of technical eligibility.

That's what I did. I was all set to bullshit my way through but nobody even blinked.

But I watched some of the press conferences for my state and the doctor running the show all but said they were just going to let everyone get it regardless of restrictions. Like the reporter asked him if they were going to be checking health requirements and he just said something evasive like "We want people to be able to get their boosters."

 

[Captante]

That's what I did. I was all set to bullshit my way through but nobody even blinked.

But I watched some of the press conferences for my state and the doctor running the show all but said they were just going to let everyone get it regardless of restrictions. Like the reporter asked him if they were going to be checking health requirements and he just said something evasive like "We want people to be able to get their boosters."

Same here .... my MD did suggest I get a booster but I was fully prepared to BS my way through if required. (not like there's any vaccine shortage in the US at least!)

 

[Kaido]

 

[Geekbabe]

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My issue is with unvaccinated people crowding our ER’s, I have felt lousy enough the past few weeks to consider a trip to the MGH ER but fought through it due to this. Sorry but having to sit for hours among symptomatic Covid patients just because I am dehydrated didn’t work for me. Lots of water & gatorad.

 

[sdifox]

My issue is with unvaccinated people crowding our ER’s, I have felt lousy enough the past few weeks to consider a trip to the MGH ER but fought through it due to this. Sorry but having to sit for hours among symptomatic Covid patients just because I am dehydrated didn’t work for me. Lots of water & gatorad.

Cattle prod is your friend .

 

[Muse]

Cattle prod is your friend .

I would hope that Geekbabe is hoping to get herself in a position where she's not being exposed to covid-19 positive people, period. Her employer should be sympathetic. I seriously wonder if it's legal for them to put her in such jeopardy considering her risk factors.

 

[Geekbabe]

I would hope that Geekbabe is hoping to get herself in a position where she's not being exposed to covid-19 positive people, period. Her employer should be sympathetic. I seriously wonder if it's legal for them to put her in such jeopardy considering her risk factors.

I am out of work on FMLA, my employer has been good to me through almost 7 years of this crap. Nothing but good things to say about them.

Besides, covid positive people are everywhere, I was just speaking about avoiding an ER visit at my cancer hospital as a lot of symptomatic covid patients land in ER’s first

 

[manly]

Just checked and on hospitalisations there are curerntly about 9000 people in hospital with covid, whereas this date last year it was 15,000, or for those on ventilators its 1000 now compared with 1200 a year ago.

The existence of vaccines is clearly having an effect, but it doesn't seem to have had as overwhelming an impact as I would have hoped.

Also recall that the COVID vaccines were clinically tested to reduce the most severe outcomes. They were never tested to reduce transmission per se. We now know that neutralizing antibodies for J&J and Pfizer wane before the 6 months mark, which explains why transmission is resurging now in many western countries with good vax programs. But efficacy against severe COVID is still pretty good, as the immune system has been primed to fight off the disease itself.

Germany in particular is seeing its highest infections rate yet, and several EU countries are mulling lockdowns. It isn't just a former Soviet bloc problem anymore and it'll be an American problem again before long.

Berlin bans unvaccinated from entertainment venues, as Germany battles record-breaking Covid cases | CNN

Germany's capital Berlin will ban unvaccinated people from restaurants, bars, cinemas and other entertainment venues from Monday, as the country grapples with its highest surge in Covid-19 cases to date.

www.cnn.com

 

[pmv]

The Netherlands are going back into lockdown again. From my cursory comparison of the graphs, their recent case and death numbers per-capita don't look very different from ours (UK) yet apparently there are no plans to reintroduce social-distancing or mask mandates or any of that stuff here. I am nervous where this is going.

 

[pmv]

Johnson's language about this is odd. It's as if he's trying to subtly imply the blame lies with "Europe", as if the increasing case counts here are somehow something that is coming here from 'over there', "storm clouds" crossing the Channel - rather than it just being the same post-lockdown wave happening simultaneously everywhere, and that here is clearly due to his own government having scrapped all pandemic control measures in one fell-swoop.

Boris Johnson urges people to get Covid boosters as he warns of ‘storm clouds’

PM expresses concern over worsening situation in continental Europe, saying: ‘We’ve been here before’

www.theguardian.com

Speaking in a broadcast clip, Boris Johnson said the situation was of concern. “I’m seeing the storm clouds gathering over parts of the European continent. And I’ve got to be absolutely frank with people: we’ve been here before. We remember what happens when the wave starts rolling in,” he said.

 

[dullard]

The Netherlands are going back into lockdown again. From my cursory comparison of the graphs, their recent case and death numbers per-capita don't look very different from ours (UK) yet apparently there are no plans to reintroduce social-distancing or mask mandates or any of that stuff here. I am nervous where this is going.

All the countries surrounding you are increasing rapidly: Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Iceland. France is just starting to uptick. Best you can do is protect yourself and as much of your friends/family that you can.

 

[Muse]

Just checked and on hospitalisations there are curerntly about 9000 people in hospital with covid, whereas this date last year it was 15,000, or for those on ventilators its 1000 now compared with 1200 a year ago.

The existence of vaccines is clearly having an effect, but it doesn't seem to have had as overwhelming an impact as I would have hoped.

In the USA, only 1/2 the population is vaccinated (that's probably "fully vaccinated"). Were vaccination rate over 90% it would be very very different here. 1/2 the states are experiencing a 10% jump in cases suddenly. There are areas with highly stressed critical care units and it's only going to get more critical at most of them. I think the rest of 2021 is going to be very challenging in many areas of the USA with respect to the pandemic, which, of course, spills over into nearly every walk of life. Yes, I'm angry at the anti-vax crowd. I suppose I should back off that attitude. As of today, I'm about as immune as I'm going to get for the foreseeable future. 14 days ago I got my 3rd Moderna shot. Maybe I should just say, I'm living my life, to hell with the dummies, why should I pay them any attention? If they get sick and whatever, that was their choosing, I did what I could, now I'm done with them. We've got too many people here, let them die. They should deny them care if they don't bother to protect themselves. Make them pay for their folly.

 

[Muse]

Johnson's language about this is odd. It's as if he's trying to subtly imply the blame lies with "Europe", as if the increasing case counts here are somehow something that is coming here from 'over there', "storm clouds" crossing the Channel - rather than it just being the same post-lockdown wave happening simultaneously everywhere, and that here is clearly due to his own government having scrapped all pandemic control measures in one fell-swoop.

Boris Johnson urges people to get Covid boosters as he warns of ‘storm clouds’

PM expresses concern over worsening situation in continental Europe, saying: ‘We’ve been here before’

www.theguardian.com

Johnson is clearly an ignoramus. Sad in a proud nation to have a clown like him as head of state.

 

[pmv]

Johnson is clearly an ignoramus. Sad in a proud nation to have a clown like him as head of state.

Actually I think ignorant is one thing he is not. He's pretty clever and very expensively educated. He is, however, lacking in morals, entirely motivated by personal ambition, and an incorrigible liar.

 

[pmv]

In the USA, only 1/2 the population is vaccinated (that's probably "fully vaccinated"). Were vaccination rate over 90% it would be very very different here. 1/2 the states are experiencing a 10% jump in cases suddenly. There are areas with highly stressed critical care units and it's only going to get more critical at most of them. I think the rest of 2021 is going to be very challenging in many areas of the USA with respect to the pandemic, which, of course, spills over into nearly every walk of life. Yes, I'm angry at the anti-vax crowd. I suppose I should back off that attitude. As of today, I'm about as immune as I'm going to get for the foreseeable future. 14 days ago I got my 3rd Moderna shot. Maybe I should just say, I'm living my life, to hell with the dummies, why should I pay them any attention? If they get sick and whatever, that was their choosing, I did what I could, now I'm done with them. We've got too many people here, let them die. They should deny them care if they don't bother to protect themselves. Make them pay for their folly.

Yeah, I dunno. I can't find percentage figures for vaccination rates here, but 46 million have been at least double-vaccinated, which must be over 70% of the population. Mainly they still haven't got round to fully vaccinating children (seems they keep vacillating about vaccinating them).

Given the reach of vaccinations now, I am a little disheartened at the numbers still in ICUs, which is not hugely less than this time last winter, when the vaccine program hadn't got going.

Was hoping that between the vaccine stopping infected people getting seriously ill, and impeding the spread of the virus in general and so avoiding the vulnerable getting infected in the first place, that things would be closer to getting back to normal by now.

(heh, had to break off typing becuase my upper arm was itching and had to scratch it - just realised it's the site of my booster jab).

 

[MrSquished]

Advocating for such things is hugely irresponsibe, harmful, and selfish.

It's really dumb. In NYC I've been out a bunch of times since the mandate. People are mostly sane here and so it works seamlessly - and I've been to restaurants, bars and movie theaters. They all have checked for proof of vaccination, it's very brief, and everybody is having a good time inside. Dune was a full theater, the French Dispatch was pretty full too, and it was at a theater that served food and alcohol, so everybody was unmasked inside eating and drinking. The nightlife the last few weekends I've been has been very lively. It's amazing to encourage mass non-compliance when encouraging people to just get vaccinated so we can move on from this thing is smarter. Silly people. These people should just go live off grid and let the civilized folks get back to business.

 

[Muse]

Actually I think ignorant is one thing he is not. He's pretty clever and very expensively educated. He is, however, lacking in morals, entirely motivated by personal ambition, and an incorrigible liar.

I have a different sense of the word ignoramus than you, here. I suppose a bad choice of words. He's not an idiot, but he's, as you say, incorrigible. Still, a shameful choice for head of state in this time. Not as bad as Trump or Bolsonaro, but I can't think of others worse among major nations except I suppose Putin.

 

[Muse]

Yeah, I dunno. I can't find percentage figures for vaccination rates here, but 46 million have been at least double-vaccinated, which must be over 70% of the population. Mainly they still haven't got round to fully vaccinating children (seems they keep vacillating about vaccinating them).

Given the reach of vaccinations now, I am a little disheartened at the numbers still in ICUs, which is not hugely less than this time last winter, when the vaccine program hadn't got going.

Was hoping that between the vaccine stopping infected people getting seriously ill, and impeding the spread of the virus in general and so avoiding the vulnerable getting infected in the first place, that things would be closer to getting back to normal by now.

(heh, had to break off typing becuase my upper arm was itching and had to scratch it - just realised it's the site of my booster jab).

Here they're saying that vaccinated winding up in the hospitals is largely people with risk factors. Those need to take extra precautions against exposure. Also, the unvaxxed are stoking the virus fire, something like 100,000,000 Americans remain unvaxxed out of a population of 329,000,000. Delta will keep that pile of tinder smoking into next year.

 

[Charmonium]

My issue is with unvaccinated people crowding our ER’s, I have felt lousy enough the past few weeks to consider a trip to the MGH ER but fought through it due to this. Sorry but having to sit for hours among symptomatic Covid patients just because I am dehydrated didn’t work for me. Lots of water & gatorad.

A properly fitted respirator or military gas mask should protect you from the virus but maybe not the nice men with the straight jackets and Haldol. I'm kidding but you will be noticeably observed. I'm pretty sure there are single cannister respirators and there are certainly cannisters that go down to submicron levels. So you don't have to look like you're headed to a hot zone. Of course you are but let's ignore that particular rabbit hole.

I used my 2 cannister mask with pancake filters rather than cannisters since those were adequate. That was very early in the pandemic though. I went to the market at night. Not many people and nobody really seemed to notice but I wasn't trying to see if they were, so . . .

I will tell you though that if the mask is tight enough to give you a good seal, you're probably going to tire of it pretty quickly. So if you're sitting there for a while, I'm willing to bet that you're going to want to take a break.

As long as you don't mind the stares, it's an option to consider if you have no choice but to go to the ER.

 

[Torn Mind]

The Netherlands are going back into lockdown again. From my cursory comparison of the graphs, their recent case and death numbers per-capita don't look very different from ours (UK) yet apparently there are no plans to reintroduce social-distancing or mask mandates or any of that stuff here. I am nervous where this is going.

Netherlands will be interesting to see performance-wise. This is because it does have a very high uptake of the vaccine in the 50+ segment. It is also a very dense nation, thus making the variable of having the opportunity to contact with others a matter to consider when chasing an optimal percentage to get vaccinated.

Apparently, under 12 children are not eligible yet, but the laggards in uptake are in the younger age groups. 31-40 year olds have 72% uptake, 18-30 69%, and 12-17 60%.

The corona vaccination | Coronavirus Dashboard | Government.nl

The Netherlands began vaccinating people against coronavirus on 6 January 2021. The Coronadashboard shows how many doses of vaccine have been administered and how many doses are on the way.

coronadashboard.government.nl

What is rolling through the Netherlands may be what "responsible" states and densely populated states in the U.S will have to deal with in the near future.

 

[Muse]

I will tell you though that if the mask is tight enough to give you a good seal, you're probably going to tire of it pretty quickly. So if you're sitting there for a while, I'm willing to bet that you're going to want to take a break.

As long as you don't mind the stares, it's an option to consider if you have no choice but to go to the ER.

I still have 3M 9210 N95 masks I bought in 2017 for the N. Calif. wildfires. I was outside working on my garage and had to finish before rains came, toxic smoke or not, so bought those masks cheap on Ebay. They are fantastic, a perfect fit and I wear them when I will be in any indoor public space (which I don't do much). On top of my Moderna booster from 14 days ago, I feel I'm very protected.

 

[Roger Wilco]

US numbers are going back up. The mass suicide continues.

 

[H T C]

Yeah, I dunno. I can't find percentage figures for vaccination rates here, but 46 million have been at least double-vaccinated, which must be over 70% of the population. Mainly they still haven't got round to fully vaccinating children (seems they keep vacillating about vaccinating them).

Given the reach of vaccinations now, I am a little disheartened at the numbers still in ICUs, which is not hugely less than this time last winter, when the vaccine program hadn't got going.

Was hoping that between the vaccine stopping infected people getting seriously ill, and impeding the spread of the virus in general and so avoiding the vulnerable getting infected in the first place, that things would be closer to getting back to normal by now.

(heh, had to break off typing becuase my upper arm was itching and had to scratch it - just realised it's the site of my booster jab).

Despite having a very high vaccination rate, Portugal is already experiencing higher than 1st wave number of daily infections. However, and to prove the worth of the vaccines, we are having about 3/11 of the hospitalized, about 1/4 of the ICU occupation and about 2/9 the fatalities VS the 1st wave.

Specialists are warning we'll have over 2K average daily cases by December, if not sooner, calling it "the 5th wave of COVID". Booster shot for those most vulnerable is underway but, because Portugal REALLY started vaccinating @ around June (2nd dose), this means booster shots can only be MOSTLY administered from December on: my parents for example (both in their 70s) can only apply for their booster shots in January because they got their 2nd dose in July and protocol dictates 6 months AFTER 2nd dose.