NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[jpiniero]

wrong.

Oh I agree with him. But if you publicly came out against the mandates, the media would probally call you an anti-vaxxer. Esp in a Dem stronghold. That's how the mandates are going to end. Not vax rates or case counts. Gotta convince the Dems it's bad for them politically.

 

[Red Squirrel]

wrong.

Huh? There are literally places losing their business license over non compliance. It's not the businesses that are doing this it's the government. Why would businesses want extra red tape to deal with?

 

[Red Squirrel]

Oh I agree with him. But if you publicly came out against the mandates, the media would probally call you an anti-vaxxer. Esp in a Dem stronghold. That's how the mandates are going to end. Not vax rates or case counts. Gotta convince the Dems it's bad for them politically.

Yeah what is needed is mass non compliance. If only a few don't comply they'll get charged, jailed etc, but if everyone stops complying at once, it might be harder to start jailing everyone. There are literally church pastors serving jail time right now because of these mandates. It's gotten too far imo. It's suppose to be "for safety" well there is nothing safe about being in jail.

 

[K1052]

Yeah what is needed is mass non compliance. If only a few don't comply they'll get charged, jailed etc, but if everyone stops complying at once, it might be harder to start jailing everyone. There are literally church pastors serving jail time right now because of these mandates. It's gotten too far imo. It's suppose to be "for safety" well there is nothing safe about being in jail.

Advocating for such things is hugely irresponsibe, harmful, and selfish.

 

[PingSpike]

Much nastier and longer lasting chills from the booster, but less run over by a truck feeling and not as overpoweringly tired as the second shot. I think the whole reaction lasted a little longer as well. I'd say I feel basically normal after one bad day, just a little sleepy with a sore arm today.

 

[Kaido]

To skirt the political side of things...a sitting person in power is mad at Sesame Street for promoting vaccinations when, as of today, 757,000 Americans have died from the disease in less than 2 years? And over 5 million people have died worldwide?

Big Bird got 'vaccinated' against COVID-19, drawing outrage from Republicans

Big Bird, who is technically 6 years old, got his COVID-19 vaccine over the weekend. His announcement did not sit well with conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz, who called it "government propaganda."

www.npr.org

 

[Captante]

To skirt the political side of things...a sitting person in power is mad at Sesame Street for promoting vaccinations when, as of today, 757,000 Americans have died from the disease in less than 2 years? And over 5 million people have died worldwide?

Big Bird got 'vaccinated' against COVID-19, drawing outrage from Republicans

Big Bird, who is technically 6 years old, got his COVID-19 vaccine over the weekend. His announcement did not sit well with conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz, who called it "government propaganda."

www.npr.org

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The mistake you're making is still looking for reasonable behavior from people after the last two years.... insane stupidity is more the "norm" now!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Advocating for such things is hugely irresponsibe, harmful, and selfish.

What is selfish is wanting this craziness to just continue. At some point we the people need to stand up.

We just hit 85% vaccination rate. At some point, it needs to be considered good enough, and we need to move on from all this.

 

[K1052]

What is selfish is wanting this craziness to just continue. At some point we the people need to stand up.

We just hit 85% vaccination rate. At some point, it needs to be considered good enough, and we need to move on from all this.

NYT shows one dose at 80% and fully vaccinated at 76% in Canada. Anyway a high vaccination rate is an argument for relaxing other mitigations not to stop vaccinating and certainly not when going into a part of the year where transmission is clearly starting to spike again.

Stand up for what? The coronavirus?

 

[Captante]

What is selfish is wanting this craziness to just continue. At some point we the people need to stand up.

We just hit 85% vaccination rate. At some point, it needs to be considered good enough, and we need to move on from all this.

The US is more like 60% and then the numbers vary wildly depending on what part of the country you're talking about.... so not "good enough".



Thing I'M fed up with is all the bullshit ... god help ANYONE who spews any anti-vax/tinfoil hat nonsense where I can hear it.

EVERYONE wants the pandemic to be over BUT "if wish's were nickles"...

 

[Kaido]

What is selfish is wanting this craziness to just continue. At some point we the people need to stand up.

We just hit 85% vaccination rate. At some point, it needs to be considered good enough, and we need to move on from all this.

Swap...58%:

States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated - Becker's Hospital Review | Healthcare News & Analysis

Vermont has the highest percentage of its population fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC's COVID-19 vaccine distribution and administration data tracker.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

I think you're right about figuring out a way to move on..."According to a new survey, half of U.S. adults who are still unwilling to get the coronavirus vaccine say there is nothing anyone can do to change their minds."

COVID vaccines: Half of unvaccinated Americans say NOTHING will change their minds

18 percent think COVID vaccinations are more dangerous than the virus itself.

www.studyfinds.org

I mean, at this point, it is what it is...there's a free cure out there, available for anyone who wants it. I don't know how I feel about the vaccinate mandate rolling out, because is it people's right to possibly get other people sick & possibly die, vs. where's the line for personal freedoms? Plus what about if you're allergic to it or have other health issues that prevent you from getting it, do you just have to be cut off from society forever? Going back just a few years, Disney had a huge measles outbreak back in 2015, which infected 147 people:

Measles Outbreak Traced to Disneyland is Declared Over

California health authorities declared an end to a measles outbreak that started at Disneyland and triggered a national debate about vaccinations.

www.nbcnews.com

"Many who fell ill in the Disneyland episode were not immunized against measles. Some cited personal reasons for refusing shots, and others were too young to get the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine." We live in a society where freedom of choice means consequences for other people, whether it's health-related, gun violence-related, etc. & where lying happens:

https://sports.yahoo.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-slams-green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-for-covid19-coronavirus-vaccine-lies-commentsmcaffee-show-000008970.html

 

[K1052]

I mean, at this point, it is what it is...there's a free cure out there, available for anyone who wants it. I don't know how I feel about the vaccinate mandate rolling out, because is it people's right to possibly get other people sick & possibly die, vs. where's the line for personal freedoms?

The same people think their personal freedoms extend to the right to unlimited extraordinary medical care and to abuse hospital staff.

Plus what about if you're allergic to it or have other health issues that prevent you from getting it, do you just have to be cut off from society forever?

These should be the most pro-mandate people on the planet since they truly have to rely on herd immunity.

 

[Captante]

Connecticut is at approx 80% with at least one dose.... 71% fully vaccinated and the nurse who did my booster the other day at CVS told me business is brisk.

Meanwhile you have retarded Alabama @ 48% for example.

I'm not sure what's going on in America but the dividing lines in education level are amazingly stark now. Anyone with reasonable knowledge of science and history could never be anything but pro-vaccines.

Essentially this country is fvcked completely given the vast multitude of morons concentrated mainly in the South and the incredibly stupid/fearful decisions they make.

I truly hate to sound this cynical but I no longer believe democracy works when combined with the bottomless greed of capitalism.... hoping desperately the American people prove me wrong.

 

[Zorba]

Huh? There are literally places losing their business license over non compliance. It's not the businesses that are doing this it's the government. Why would businesses want extra red tape to deal with?

Ending the pandemic and keeping their employees healthy are both good for business.

 

[K1052]

Ending the pandemic and keeping their employees healthy are both good for business.

Going on two years and some people are still unable to grasp this astonishingly simple connection.

 

[Zorba]

What is selfish is wanting this craziness to just continue. At some point we the people need to stand up.

We just hit 85% vaccination rate. At some point, it needs to be considered good enough, and we need to move on from all this.

Your scorn should be with those that refused to get vaccinated without the mandates and continue to refuse.

 

[Zorba]

Court rules United Airlines can put workers with vaccine exemptions on unpaid leave

A group of United employees had asked the court for a preliminary injunction to block United's policy of putting workers with religious or medical exemptions on unpaid leave.

www.npr.org

 

[Kaido]

The same people think their personal freedoms extend to the right to unlimited extraordinary medical care and to abuse hospital staff.

My nurse friend gets really frustrated with this...nearly all of her patients are unvaccinated. She intubates people every. single. day. Her experience mirrors what you read on the news...people are still protesting that "it's not COVID!" even as she's putting the tube down their throats. As a computer guy, I can only imagine that it'd feel like working on a computer that looks like this:

 

[BudAshes]

Connecticut is at approx 80% with at least one dose.... 71% fully vaccinated and the nurse who did my booster the other day at CVS told me business is brisk.

Meanwhile you have retarded Alabama @ 48% for example.

I'm not sure what's going on in America but the dividing lines in education level are amazingly stark now. Anyone with reasonable knowledge of science and history could never be anything but pro-vaccines.

Essentially this country is fvcked completely given the vast multitude of morons concentrated mainly in the South and the incredibly stupid/fearful decisions they make.

I truly hate to sound this cynical but I no longer believe democracy works when combined with the bottomless greed of capitalism.... hoping desperately the American people prove me wrong.

Was there a time when stupidity wasn't pervasive in the South? Most of the smart ones leave. It's a brain drain. The difference now is that social media lets us see it a lot easier.

 

[Kaido]

Court rules United Airlines can put workers with vaccine exemptions on unpaid leave

A group of United employees had asked the court for a preliminary injunction to block United's policy of putting workers with religious or medical exemptions on unpaid leave.

www.npr.org

A lot of my IT customers are facing issues with key personnel being unwilling to get vaccinated & trying to figure out a protocol going forward, as a lot of them don't want to have to wear masks either, so it puts them in a pickle. On the IT side of things, not everyone can go VPN, you know? Biden's proposal already got blocked:

Blocked for now, Biden's vaccine-or-test rule for workers faces uncertain future

The Biden administration says it will defend its rule requiring some 84 million workers to get vaccinated or undergo weekly testing. More than two dozen states have sued to stop it.

www.npr.org

But it seems pretty reasonable:

Biden's vaccine rules for 100 million workers are here. These are the details

Companies with at least 100 employees must ensure their workers get a COVID-19 vaccine or undergo weekly testing. Some 17 million health care workers face a vaccine mandate with no testing option.

www.npr.org

The key points are:

1. Workers must get paid time off to get vaccinated (including sick leave for side effects)
2. Employers don't need to pay for testing
3. Unvaccinated people must wear masks

It's hard, because I understand both sides. I was (and am) vaccine-hesitant because my personal medical experience in the past left me unable to eat regular food for 10 years. For me, it was sort of a "less of two evils" type of choice: I don't know the long-term effects of a fast-tracked vaccine (which is far, FAR safer than in years past!), but I also don't want to become another COVID statistic, as I'm in several risk categories (crap health, asthma, etc.).

So ultimately, the way I look at it is simple: there's a cure available; we're free to take it, or not. At this point, nearly everyone who is going to get it already has gotten it, so we have to figure out how to safely move forward, both for today (Delta variant) & for future variants, as well as protect people who are unable to get the vaccine for things like medical reasons.

 

[Kaido]

Was there a time when stupidity wasn't pervasive in the South? Most of the smart ones leave. It's a brain drain. The difference now is that social media lets us see it a lot easier.

Social media has exposed more knowledge about my friends than I ever wanted to know tbh lol

 

[Captante]

A lot of my IT customers are facing issues with key personnel being unwilling to get vaccinated & trying to figure out a protocol going forward, as a lot of them don't want to have to wear masks either, so it puts them in a pickle. On the IT side of things, not everyone can go VPN, you know? Biden's proposal already got blocked:

Blocked for now, Biden's vaccine-or-test rule for workers faces uncertain future

The Biden administration says it will defend its rule requiring some 84 million workers to get vaccinated or undergo weekly testing. More than two dozen states have sued to stop it.

www.npr.org

But it seems pretty reasonable:

Biden's vaccine rules for 100 million workers are here. These are the details

Companies with at least 100 employees must ensure their workers get a COVID-19 vaccine or undergo weekly testing. Some 17 million health care workers face a vaccine mandate with no testing option.

www.npr.org

The key points are:

1. Workers must get paid time off to get vaccinated (including sick leave for side effects)
2. Employers don't need to pay for testing
3. Unvaccinated people must wear masks

It's hard, because I understand both sides. I was (and am) vaccine-hesitant because my personal medical experience in the past left me unable to eat regular food for 10 years. For me, it was sort of a "less of two evils" type of choice: I don't know the long-term effects of a fast-tracked vaccine (which is far, FAR safer than in years past!), but I also don't want to become another COVID statistic, as I'm in several risk categories (crap health, asthma, etc.).

So ultimately, the way I look at it is simple: there's a cure available; we're free to take it, or not. At this point, nearly everyone who is going to get it already has gotten it, so we have to figure out how to safely move forward, both for today (Delta variant) & for future variants, as well as protect people who are unable to get the vaccine for things like medical reasons.

You're not wrong about accepting reality .... doesn't mean I have to like it though!

I do have some underlying health issues myself however I put myself at the shallow end of the "high-risk" pool despite that fact, being a fairly tough old douchebag if I do say so myself!




Having said that I got vaccinated at the FIRST possible chance (also a booster) because I AM well enough versed in REAL history to understand the benefit of vaccines plus to have at least a laymen's understanding of how they work. (as are the vast majority here)

Many Americans have the equivalent of a 3rd grade reading level and near-zero grasp of science. They base their entire lives on superstition, myth and social-media (sorta like the ancient Greeks or Mayans) .... these folks are LITERALLY incapable of reason.

And in a Democracy they ALL are entitled to a vote.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yeah what is needed is mass non compliance. If only a few don't comply they'll get charged, jailed etc, but if everyone stops complying at once, it might be harder to start jailing everyone. There are literally church pastors serving jail time right now because of these mandates. It's gotten too far imo. It's suppose to be "for safety" well there is nothing safe about being in jail.

I found one Canadian pastor who went to jail for a month, who has since been released:

Canadian Pastor Jailed Over COVID-19 Violations Released - Christianity Today

Update: The leader of GraceLife Church said he was “not trying to make a point” by gathering for worship as normal during the pandemic.

www.christianitytoday.com

You said "pastors" in the plural, and "currently serving", but I'll bet this is just another serving of twisted truth from you, cleaved from the Bullshit Mountain you enjoy mining on Facebook.

 

[Artorias]

Much nastier and longer lasting chills from the booster, but less run over by a truck feeling and not as overpoweringly tired as the second shot. I think the whole reaction lasted a little longer as well. I'd say I feel basically normal after one bad day, just a little sleepy with a sore arm today.

Well that makes me not look forward to the booster. The second shot for me was bad, I felt literally on fire and work up at least 5 times in the night.

Totally knocked me out the next day and just sat on the couch like a stoner lol.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well that makes me not look forward to the booster. The second shot for me was bad, I felt literally on fire and work up at least 5 times in the night.

Totally knocked me out the next day and just sat on the couch like a stoner lol.

Just remember that everyone is different and that the brain can play a big role in how you feel (ie, feeling a certain way because you've convinced yourself a priori that you should feel effects). I had a Moderna booster and the biggest side effects I had were some mild late day body aches the next day and a light headache.

Meanwhile, in April, my J&J shot led to a mild fever the same evening into early the next day.