Next Galaxy Phone Unveiling - May 3rd

[stormkroe]

The S4 is a step down GPU-wise.

Do you think there is any merit to what Anand has said, about teasing more performance out of adreno 22x with driver advances? Based on the GFLOPS per Mhz, which are exactly the same as the sgx 543mp2 in the iphone 4s, it should have quite a bit more untapped potential.
I'm using this old chestnut as a reference.http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3

 

[dagamer34]

The soc draws the most power, set the screen to never turn off and leave the phone to idle for an hour and the battery will slowly go down. Now start browsing websites and watch your battery go down 2-4x faster.

It's still the screen that draws the most power because AMOLED uses more power displaying the color white than black (0).

 

[MrX8503]

There's no reason why you can't have both.

It will also be shipping with 2,050mAh battery as standard, compared to 1,650mAh standard on current Galaxy S II.
Since they claim the new chip draws 20% less power, that means 1,650mAh of the last generation is equal to 1,320mAh.
That means it should last 1.55x as long as current Galaxy S II phones while delivering 2x the processing power.
2,050mAh / (0.8 x 1,650mAh) = 1.55x

Samsung promised major battery improvement for the year 2012. Looks like they may deliver on that.

Your math is wrong.

The SOC draws 20% less power not the total device. The screen and radios draw power too.

Edit: I see that someone brought that up.

 

[shabby]

It's still the screen that draws the most power because AMOLED uses more power displaying the color white than black (0).

That's incorrect, the sgs2 display is draining 950mV at max brightess + white screen, minimum is 360mV and average use could be around 450mV. While the cpu is draining at 1400mV @ 1.6ghz and the gpu is draining at 1150mV @ 400mhz.

 

[stormkroe]

That's incorrect, the sgs2 display is draining 950mV at max brightess + white screen, minimum is 360mV and average use could be around 450mV. While the cpu is draining at 1400mV @ 1.6ghz and the gpu is draining at 1150mV @ 400mhz.

Do you mean mW? These numbers are useless without amperage measurements.

 

[shabby]

Derr that's what i meant.

 

[tonie]

Hope display is not pentile otherwise, it's a failure.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Hope display is not pentile otherwise, it's a failure.

I wish there was a "taste test" like Pepsi vs Coke but Pentile vs Plus. I doubt many could see the difference. As it stands there is no way to have this test because those who know about it usually know which phones carry it. Therefore invalidating the test. We would need just plain screens not on phones to truly know.

 

[Dulanic]

I wish there was a "taste test" like Pepsi vs Coke but Pentile vs Plus. I doubt many could see the difference. As it stands there is no way to have this test because those who know about it usually know which phones carry it. Therefore invalidating the test. We would need just plain screens not on phones to truly know.

After having used a SGSII I can say that I have never seen that effect... ever. Wish i had that image to test, but I am really curious what would cause that to show that bad.

 

[zerocool84]

I wish there was a "taste test" like Pepsi vs Coke but Pentile vs Plus. I doubt many could see the difference. As it stands there is no way to have this test because those who know about it usually know which phones carry it. Therefore invalidating the test. We would need just plain screens not on phones to truly know.

I can definitely notice it on my Nexus S. It's not noticeable with everything but I can notice it.

 

[lothar]

Your math is wrong.

The SOC draws 20% less power not the total device. The screen and radios draw power too.

Edit: I see that someone brought that up.

I already addressed those points in my earlier post.
The screen is only ~9% larger than the regular Galaxy SII, therefore figure 9% more power use on that end for the screen. Feel free to take 9% off those estimates.

The radios won't draw any extra power than the regular Galaxy SII if they make a 3G only version or they make a 4G version and you disable the 4G radios and run in 3G only mode. You can disable 4G radios on almost all phones.

What will be the battery life on 4G LTE? I have absolutely no idea, and at this point I don't even care because the 4-6Mbps I already get today is more than enough, any higher is just diminishing returns.

At this point if it gives us twice the processing power while giving the same battery life as the Droid Razr Maxx, I'll be happy...But not happy enough because I want a Nexus device and will only deal with those from now on.

 

[dguy6789]

Hope display is not pentile otherwise, it's a failure.

If it's a 720P screen it won't make even the tiniest difference if it's pentile or not.

 

[MrX8503]

I already addressed those points in my earlier post.
The screen is only ~9% larger than the regular Galaxy SII, therefore figure 9% more power use on that end for the screen. Feel free to take 9% off those estimates.

The radios won't draw any extra power than the regular Galaxy SII if they make a 3G only version or they make a 4G version and you disable the 4G radios and run in 3G only mode. You can disable 4G radios on almost all phones.

What will be the battery life on 4G LTE? I have absolutely no idea, and at this point I don't even care because the 4-6Mbps I already get today is more than enough, any higher is just diminishing returns.

At this point if it gives us twice the processing power while giving the same battery life as the Droid Razr Maxx, I'll be happy...But not happy enough because I want a Nexus device and will only deal with those from now on.

I saw your post and I don't agree with it. There's too many what ifs for it to be a solid judgement.

 

[gorcorps]

I can definitely notice it on my Nexus S. It's not noticeable with everything but I can notice it.

It's noticeable on old screens, but people would be hard pressed to notice on a 720p screen.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I can see the pentile effect on the GNex, but I look for it because I know it is there ala

 

[glen]

What are we supposed to be seeing in those pictures?

 

[zerogear]

The spot!

 

[stormkroe]

Not to kick salt into a dead horse's wounds when he's down, but wouldn't a 4.7" screen have over 19% more surface area (which dictates power use) than a 4.3" of the same aspect ratio? I could be wrong because of the pain meds...

 

[glen]

The spot!

??? Someone please explain where the spot is, please.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

If it's a 720P screen it won't make even the tiniest difference if it's pentile or not.

The thing is people praised the One X screen as completely blowing by the GNex. Just because there aren't many phones out that are non pentile and kick ass, doesn't mean pentile doesn't matter.

The crowd always says the current best is good enough until the next best thing comes out. It's like when people claimed 1ghz phones were so zoom zoom but they're complete lagfests still. Then people acted as if dual core solved all issues and Android was no longer laggy, but then ICS dropped and then people were claiming this is the new definition of smooth. Certainly it's still no WP7/iPhone 4S, but its almost there.

Anyway, what I mean is 720p pentile is noticeable if you compare to a HTC One X, and once the non pentile screens start flooding the market, no one will ever dare think of pentile again.

 

[zerogear]

??? Someone please explain where the spot is, please.

I take it you've never seen Seinfeld?

 

[glen]

I take it you've never seen Seinfeld?

Seen Seinfeld. I get that. What is the problem we are supposed to see on the pentile - Heck, which one is the pentile, left or right?

 

[zerogear]

Left is pentile, right is non-pentile. You can tell by the pixel orientation/sparkle on the screen.

 

[OS]

The thing is people praised the One X screen as completely blowing by the GNex. Just because there aren't many phones out that are non pentile and kick ass, doesn't mean pentile doesn't matter.

The crowd always says the current best is good enough until the next best thing comes out. It's like when people claimed 1ghz phones were so zoom zoom but they're complete lagfests still. Then people acted as if dual core solved all issues and Android was no longer laggy, but then ICS dropped and then people were claiming this is the new definition of smooth. Certainly it's still no WP7/iPhone 4S, but its almost there.

Anyway, what I mean is 720p pentile is noticeable if you compare to a HTC One X, and once the non pentile screens start flooding the market, no one will ever dare think of pentile again.

I don't see pentile going away for a while, I'd rather have the next resolution up in pentile than one lower in a traditional screen.

quite frankly it's a little bit stupid that pentile is blasted so much when viewing even high res pictures and HD video there is still artifacting from compression anyways. sometimes the limiting factor is the source media and not screen itself.

 

[prism]

I can only see the Pentile effect on my Gnex if I'm looking at something that's solid red and hold the phone about 8 inches from my face. I'll take that minor annoyance and the "color over-saturation" over low resolutions or a washed-out LCD any day of the week.

It's not like I'm looking at pieces of art from the Smithsonian on my phone, or I give a flying frak about the skin-tone of the pigs in Angry Birds Space exactly matching the developer's original vision....