Microsoft is objectively a pretty terrible software company

[sdifox]

I take it you've never run a business. Most companies have limited resources, such as time and money, that they need to carefully manage so they don't go bankrupt.

so you throw smaller piece of shit and hope it sticks.

Face it, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Murloc]

I think office was always ahead in the innovation of office products. Open office doesn't even come close to it in interface clarity.
Sure, what's behind it might be terrible (e.g. when it crashes for no apparent reason), but the interface works, the ribbons were a great idea imho.

 

[purbeast0]

thread backfire/epic thread/self ownage

 

[Rakehellion]

what do you mean one-hit wonders?

Do you actually have any clue where Microsoft makes their money? You seem to be focusing on products that you find on Best Buy shelves--this tells me you don't know dick about the company.

Server, Exchange, and other products designed to ride the coattails of Windows?

 

[Rakehellion]

But you did not define their failure in terms of profit. You didn't say anything about profit. The closest you came was to mention the words "commercial success", which is probably nowhere near as objective as you think it is.

I named several vectors of success, including profits.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yes, I ignored a fact about Apple in a thread about Microsoft. I also ignored Toyota and Lego because they're equally irrelevant.

Uh, you're the person who mentioned Apple in the context of this thread as if Microsoft somehow secretly owed their success to them.

 

[Anubis]

tbh the zune was awesome

 

[Rakehellion]

How about this: If it weren't for iPod, would Apple exist today?

You mean a multi-billion-dollar corporation that flourished for 30 years before the iPod even existed? Most likely.

 

[Rakehellion]

Uh, you're the person who mentioned Apple in the context of this thread as if Microsoft somehow secretly owed their success to them.

The success of Windows is related to Apple, yes.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You mean a multi-billion-dollar corporation that flourished for 30 years before the iPod even existed? Most likely.

And that was on the verge of extinction in the late 90s and the iPod (and Microsoft's cash infusion) saved them? That company?

 

[sdifox]

I named several vectors of success, including profits.

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-q4-2013-earnings-2013-7

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The success of Windows is related to Apple, yes.

How so?

 

[Anubis]

You mean a multi-billion-dollar corporation that flourished for 30 years before the iPod even existed? Most likely.

actually no, the ipod literally saved their asses, they had lost the computer war and were on a downward slide before that pulled them out of the mud

 

[JM Aggie08]

Keep fighting kid. This is providing me with some grade-A entertainment

 

[sdifox]

How so?

Because Rakehellion said so!

 

[Rakehellion]

And that was on the verge of extinction in the late 90s and the iPod (and Microsoft's cash infusion) saved them? That company?

After they success of the iMac, I'd say they were doing well before the iPod existed.

Microsoft fanboys know how to turn everything into an Apple debate.

 

[ultimatebob]

Just keep in mind that Microsoft has two software products keeping them in business: Windows and Office. Everything else is basically a loss leader to entice users to buy and/or develop for those two products.

But, yeah... who ever was in charge of the Zune and Surface divisions should be shot, just to make sure that they do not get the chance to screw with other projects. Simply firing them is too risky for the technology industry

 

[waggy]

The success of Windows is related to Apple, yes.

bwhahahahahah

NO.

You can argue that the Success fo Windows is related to IBM. that would be a argument.

 

[Theb]

Microsoft Office was initially released on Mac, but Mac support has been sporadic for most of its existence.

I'm pretty sure existing is a form of support. If you call up the Office help line and ask them how to install it on your PS3, they'll say it isn't supported. Learn your English.

You seem to get stupider every time you post in this thread. Office on the PS3? You might have a brain tumor.

 

[Rakehellion]

How so?

"Microsoft had worked with Apple Computer to develop applications for Apple's new Macintosh computer, which featured a graphical user interface. As part of the related business negotiations, Microsoft had licensed certain aspects of the Macintosh user interface from Apple; in later litigation, a district court summarized these aspects as "screen displays". In the development of Windows 1.0, Microsoft intentionally limited its borrowing of certain GUI elements from the Macintosh user interface, to comply with its license."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows

 

[IndyColtsFan]

After they success of the iMac, I'd say they were doing well before the iPod existed.

Microsoft fanboys know how to turn everything into an Apple debate.

First of all, you're the moron trying to say that Microsoft owed its success to Apple. You brought them into this debate, so STFU.

Second of all, the iMac was introduced in 1998. Microsoft gave them $150 million in 1997 to save them. Care to try again?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

"Microsoft had worked with Apple Computer to develop applications for Apple's new Macintosh computer, which featured a graphical user interface. As part of the related business negotiations, Microsoft had licensed certain aspects of the Macintosh user interface from Apple; in later litigation, a district court summarized these aspects as "screen displays". In the development of Windows 1.0, Microsoft intentionally limited its borrowing of certain GUI elements from the Macintosh user interface, to comply with its license."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows

Wow, you're really dense. Here, let me help you:

Apple lost all claims in the Microsoft suit except for the ruling that the trash can icon and folder icons from Hewlett-Packard's NewWave windows application were infringing. The lawsuit was filed in 1988 and lasted four years; the decision was affirmed on appeal in 1994, and Apple's appeal to the US Supreme Court was denied.

Apple owes its survival to Microsoft's $150 million infusion. Left out of all of this is Xerox -- you know, the company that actually invented the GUI?

 

[waggy]

Just keep in mind that Microsoft has two software products keeping them in business: Windows and Office. Everything else is basically a loss leader to entice users to buy and/or develop for those two products.

But, yeah... who ever was in charge of the Zune and Surface divisions should be shot, just to make sure that they do not get the chance to screw other projects. Simply firing them is too risky for the technology industry

the Zune was a good product. I think they ended it far to soon. I have had many different MP3 players.I really like the 80 gig zune my wife has.

i have a old sensa 8 gig and a ipod (my oldest took that to college though_

 

[Rakehellion]

Just keep in mind that Microsoft has two software products keeping them in business: Windows and Office. Everything else is basically a loss leader to entice users to buy and/or develop for those two products.

That's pretty much my whole point. And even Office is just an extension to Windows.

 

[sdifox]

First of all, you're the moron trying to say that Microsoft owed its success to Apple. You brought them into this debate, so STFU.

Second of all, the iMac was introduced in 1998. Microsoft gave them $150 million in 1997 to save them. Care to try again?

I love how he links the stock price history but doesn't know the timelines of events.