Microsoft is objectively a pretty terrible software company

[PingviN]

MS is objectively a great software company.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's irrelevant what Apple did, the point is that Microsoft didn't.

You really are one of the most idiotic trolls to grace these forums. If you're old enough, I bet you were one of the Linux idiots in the late 90s that said things like:

"Linux is going to kill Windoze!"

"Micro$oft is dead thanks to Linux!"

"I hate Internet Exploder!"

You have no factual basis behind any of your claims. What I find amusing is how you also ignore how Microsoft saved the floundering Apple in the 90s:

http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/08/dayintech_0806/

 

[waggy]

I'm pretty sure existing is a form of support. If you call up the Office help line and ask them how to install it on your PS3, they'll say it isn't supported. Learn your English.

oh my god..just when i thought you couldn't get any dumber.

It's irrelevant what Apple did, the point is that Microsoft didn't.

ohh and who did then?

 

[Rakehellion]

He didn't ignore the part about the loss. He posted it to show you that they just made a huge gain when they had previously recorded a loss.

That's what "hit or miss" means, as I said in the first post of this thread. And one year of profit when Xbox has existed for over a decade isn't a positive trend, that's cherry picking.

 

[sdifox]

What does Office run on? Hint: It isn't your TI-84.

It runs on Mac OS too...

Rumour has it it is coming to Unix in 2014.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I'm pretty sure existing is a form of support. If you call up the Office help line and ask them how to install it on your PS3, they'll say it isn't supported. Learn your English.

Speaking of learning English, you're aware that context is important, right? We know it exists on Mac, so don't deflect with stupid analogies about other platforms. Support for software is not the same as not supporting a particular platform. Maybe you should learn English if you can't understand the difference because there is one. It's irrelevant anyway, though, because it's not true regardless of what you meant.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, Windows was a commercial success, but if it had never been created, Mac OS and Linux would have done the same or better.

what a dumb comment. Do you think success exists in a vacuum? A very, very large part of success is luck--the right place, at the right time.

Who cares about "what would have happened?" None of that dumbshit matters, because it never happened and never can happen. Plus, not you nor anyone can ever accurately state what kind of success OS or Linux (lol) would have been if they were as lucky. That kind of argument exists in an ethereal plane with other such non-relevant arguments and individuals like pcslookout and Incorruptible. You know--that uninhabitable space were reality has a different color.


Gates was/remains one smart mofo. He took the opportunity that others passed on and seized it. This is how one defines success.

And now, you claim they were and are successful, and then degrade that success as being "lucky" to support your argument that they are failures?

Have you been eating paint chips again?

 

[Vdubchaos]

OP forgets about MS influence and presence in the Business world.

Consumer products are a SMALL portion of where MS makes money.

And if you take a close look at what they have accomplished in the business world I'm pretty sure you would be putting on a straight jacket yourself.

Are they perfect? no, no one/nothing is....FAR FAR from it.

Lately (with Win8 and Surface crap) MS def took a step backwards imo, but if you look at the history of MS products, that's exactly what they do.

 

[Rakehellion]

You really are one of the most idiotic trolls to grace these forums. If you're old enough, I bet you were one of the Linux idiots in the late 90s that said things like:

"Linux is going to kill Windoze!"

"Micro$oft is dead thanks to Linux!"

"I hate Internet Exploder!"

Ad hom attacks. And on things that don't even apply to me.

you also ignore how Microsoft saved the floundering Apple in the 90s:

Yes, I ignored a fact about Apple in a thread about Microsoft. I also ignored Toyota and Lego because they're equally irrelevant.

 

[Rakehellion]

Speaking of learning English, you're aware that context is important, right? We know it exists on Mac, so don't deflect with stupid analogies about other platforms. Support for software is not the same as not supporting a particular platform. Maybe you should learn English if you can't understand the difference because there is one. It's irrelevant anyway, though, because it's not true regardless of what you meant.

I said support is sporadic, not absent. Learn that word too.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I don't understand how 1) "pretty terrible" is at all objective, and 2) the examples in the OP are software failures.

 

[Rakehellion]

I don't understand how 1) "pretty terrible" is at all objective

When profit is negative, that's an objective failure. When you discontinue a product due to poor customer reception, that's an objective failure. Those two things don't allow grey area.

 

[Rakehellion]

How about this: If it weren't for Windows, would Microsoft exist today?

 

[MrDudeMan]

When profit is negative, that's an objective failure. When you discontinue a product due to poor customer reception, that's an objective failure. Those two things don't allow grey area.

Business fail. Most profitable business started out in the negative for almost 50 months. I'm waiting for your retort about bounding the problem to specific time periods or ignoring transients, which will, of course, nullify everything you've said up to this point. That won't stop you from trolling more, though.

 

[sdifox]

So, is this your grade 7 homework?

 

[Rakehellion]

what a dumb comment. Do you think success exists in a vacuum? A very, very large part of success is luck--the right place, at the right time.

How many one-hit-wonders can milk their single for 30 years?

This isn't about an individual success, it's about the company as a whole. Their corporate strategy now is to throw shit at the wall and see how much of it sticks.

 

[Rakehellion]

Business fail. Most profitable business started out in the negative for almost 50 months. I'm waiting for your retort about bounding the problem to specific time periods or ignoring transients, which will, of course, nullify everything you've said up to this point. That won't stop you from trolling more, though.

Microsoft, as well as every product of theirs I named, is much older than 50 months.

 

[JM Aggie08]

How about this: If it weren't for Windows, would Microsoft exist today?

Somethin' ain't right with this boy, I tell ya.

 

[sdifox]

How many one-hit-wonders can milk their single for 30 years?

This isn't about an individual success, it's about the company as a whole. Their corporate strategy now is to throw shit at the wall and see how much of it sticks.

newsflash, that is corporate strategy for every company that ever existed.

 

[rudeguy]

How about this: If it weren't for Windows, would Microsoft exist today?

So all of your original arguments were defeated, so you completely change your argument?

How about this, if it weren't for your dad's shitty timing and your mom's inability to keep her legs closed, you wouldn't exit today?

 

[zinfamous]

How many one-hit-wonders can milk their single for 30 years?

This isn't about an individual success, it's about the company as a whole. Their corporate strategy now is to throw shit at the wall and see how much of it sticks.

what do you mean one-hit wonders?

Do you actually have any clue where Microsoft makes their money? You seem to be focusing on products that you find on Best Buy shelves--this tells me you don't know dick about the company.

 

[Rakehellion]

newsflash, that is corporate strategy for every company that ever existed.

I take it you've never run a business. Most companies have limited resources, such as time and money, that they need to carefully manage so they don't go bankrupt.

 

[zinfamous]

How about this: If it weren't for Windows, would Microsoft exist today?

How about this: If it weren't for iPod, would Apple exist today?

 

[Capt Caveman]

How many one-hit-wonders can milk their single for 30 years?

This isn't about an individual success, it's about the company as a whole. Their corporate strategy now is to throw shit at the wall and see how much of it sticks.

Stop trolling.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

When profit is negative, that's an objective failure. When you discontinue a product due to poor customer reception, that's an objective failure. Those two things don't allow grey area.

But you did not define their failure in terms of profit. You didn't say anything about profit. The closest you came was to mention the words "commercial success", which is probably nowhere near as objective as you think it is.