Microsoft is objectively a pretty terrible software company

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Doppel

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Zune, Surface, and Windows Mobile have all been flops. Xbox, while a popular brand, has been hit or miss as far as commercial success.

90% of their fame is from their operating systems, but even that was just pure luck. DOS wasn't anything close to the best thing available at the time and Windows wouldn't have existed if it weren't for their connections with Apple.

What has Microsoft done that one could consider useful, innovative, or even necessary?
Being the de facto operating system for most of the consumer PCs in the world for now more than two decades is, I think, indication that MS doesn't entirely suck.
 

shortylickens

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I only like half their OS's, one third of their office apps, and almost none of their hardware.
The majority of programs I use on Windows are not microsoft. VLC for pretty much all media, Chrome or FF for browsing, ACDSee for images, weird little third party apps for things like ripping and editing and compressing. In fact the only reason I use Office at all is because I'm forced to at work and school so thats what I'm accustomed to. Would probably be happier with Corel or Lotus or Open Office.

They actually made some half decent sticks back in the day, but not any more.
Their gaming systems rock, but they ass fucked PC gaming just to do it.
 

Anarchist420

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Yes, Windows was a commercial success, but if it had never been created, Mac OS and Linux would have done the same or better.
Agreed. Microsoft is the biggest patent troll there ever was. They suck because they do stuff from the top down, it has be exactly their way, meet their shitty standards, etc., etc. Bill Gates is a spoiled, govt subsidized, dishonest, unprincipled brat and has hurt society a lot more than he's helped it... it's not like he's developed a cure for diabetes. He even used surveillance tech against the anti-vaccine movement.
 

Theb

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Agreed. Microsoft is the biggest patent troll there ever was. They suck because they do stuff from the top down, it has be exactly their way, meet their shitty standards, etc., etc. Bill Gates is a spoiled, govt subsidized, dishonest, unprincipled brat and has hurt society a lot more than he's helped it... it's not like he's developed a cure for diabetes. He even used surveillance tech against the anti-vaccine movement.

You appear to be broadcasting at a different frequency. If possible please switch to channel Real Life.
 

Charles Kozierok

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90% of their fame is from their operating systems, but even that was just pure luck. DOS wasn't anything close to the best thing available at the time and Windows wouldn't have existed if it weren't for their connections with Apple.

I'd love to hear where you're getting this stuff from. Doesn't line up with my understanding of the history at all.

Microsoft was pretty clever in getting themselves essentially put in the OS driving seat with the initial IBM PC. Many people don't realize that it was actually a pretty important player well before the PC. Microsoft actually goes back before Apple even existed, and was an early Apple supplier.
 

Jadow

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LOL, just about every government or company in the world is critically dependent upon MS software. They really have no peers or any one to compare them to.
 

mikeymikec

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It doesn't matter what a person can do to use Office. A single consumer does not drive a business.

You didn't answer my question.

The fact that they failed to update it for years at a time or the $350 mil revenue for their entire Mac division.
What do either of those matter? Microsoft isn't in the business of ensuring Apple's success, and Apple has a tiny percentage share of the desktop/laptop market. If Office for Mac was being developed/sold at a consistent loss to Microsoft, they would have shut it down already instead of running it for decades. Posters on this thread have already said that MSO for Mac "just works", so what's the problem?
 
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Rakehellion

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You didn't answer my question.

What do either of those matter? Microsoft isn't in the business of ensuring Apple's success, and Apple has a tiny percentage share of the desktop/laptop market. If Office for Mac was being developed/sold at a consistent loss to Microsoft, they would have shut it down already instead of running it for decades. Posters on this thread have already said that MSO for Mac "just works", so what's the problem?

That kind of drives home my point that Office without Windows doesn't matter.
 

mikeymikec

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That kind of drives home my point that Office without Windows doesn't matter.

Not really.

You started by saying "Office is an extension of Windows and not an independent product" and "you have to buy Windows in order to use Office": Wrong on both counts, there's no room for debate here and you won't concede your mistake.

Then you moved the goalposts to "Office wouldn't be the #1 productivity suite if it didn't run on Windows", and calling MSO for Mac a flop because it doesn't earn enough money in your opinion. I wonder how many companies would say $350 million revenue doesn't matter.

Then you might have been implying that only a single person uses MSO without Windows, but who knows what your point was there.

Then in response to me pointing out that regular releases aren't a sign of success and MSO Mac users apparently seem to be pretty happy with what Microsoft sells them seems to be somehow supporting your point that MSO for Mac doesn't matter.

You're not making any sense.