Microsoft is objectively a pretty terrible software company

[Rakehellion]

Apple would have folded without MS cash injection and return of Jobs to Apple.

I hate Jobs for what he is (thief), but he knows how to sell stuff.

I mention Apple only because they were directly related to early Windows development and now Windows fans are trying to pull "But Apple did this, so there!" Apple profits have nothing to do with this thread.

And why is that?

Maybe because there aren't nearly as many Macs as there are PCs? Maybe because businesses almost always use PCs, and therefore want the Windows version of Office.

No shit. That's that's the point I was making. Office is just an extension to Windows and not an independent product.

 

[dank69]

Visual Studio, Dynamics CRM, SharePoint, FAST Search, Expression Studio, Lync, Office 365, Azure, Commerce Server, Forefront, Security Essentials.

Why are you listing Windows extensions?

 

[Rakehellion]

You are contradicting yourself. If Office is solely an extension to Windows, it cannot exist for OSX. BTW, Office is their biggest money maker from the OSX side.

There are probably more copies of OpenOffice floating around than Office for Mac OS X. The Mac division isn't responsible for Office's iconic status.

In what planet do you live in where office productivity software is part of the OS?

iOS 7.

 

[mikeymikec]

Office is just an extension to Windows and not an independent product.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-W...&qid=1375529749&sr=1-1&keywords=windows+8+oem

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-O...ywords=microsoft+office+2013+home+and+student

Two separate products. And MSO is available for the Mac without some Windows emulation product being required.

 

[Yongsta]

Microsoft one of the most valuable companies in the world, made it's co-founders some of the richest men in the world.

Dominate in OS and office / business software. Competitive in gaming / server. Terrible in other areas (mainly hardware).

Regardless, they're a very important company. Not many businesses try to compete in so many different realms and few are successful. I can only think of Samsung when a company is successful in almost every area they enter (from smartphone, tv, appliances to shipbuilding). They also did well in entertainment & food products but that branch had to be broken off & formed into CJ Group.

 

[Rakehellion]

so...the resounding success of the two most important software packages in the world makes this company a failure?

what the fuck is your point, really?

Even Windows hasn't done anything that Mac OS didn't do sooner. If it weren't for them, another OS would have taken their place. Windows wasn't the result of a talented team of developers or exquisite customer satisfaction.

 

[ultimatebob]

Visual Studio, Dynamics CRM, SharePoint, FAST Search, Expression Studio, Lync, Office 365, Azure, Commerce Server, Forefront, Security Essentials.

OK... I'll give you SharePoint. The rest, not so much.

Office 365 is basically Office on the web, and Visual Studio is a developer tool and not something a consumer/end user would buy. Security Essentials should have built into Windows, so I'm not counting that either.

The other products that you listed aren't something that I would consider to be "wildly" popular. Profitable, maybe, but not something in the same league as.. say... Oracle Database or Apache.

 

[Rakehellion]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-W...&qid=1375529749&sr=1-1&keywords=windows+8+oem

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-O...ywords=microsoft+office+2013+home+and+student

Two separate products. And MSO is available for the Mac without some Windows emulation product being required.

These are separate products too:

But you can't buy a copy of "Ultimate" without first buying a copy of "Windows." Much like you can't buy Office without Windows.

 

[sdifox]

There are probably more copies of OpenOffice floating around than Office for Mac OS X. The Mac division isn't responsible for Office's iconic status.



iOS 7.

Just because iOS 7 BUNDLED productivity software within its distribution, it doesn't mean productivity software is part of the OS. and iOS7 is a mobile platform, not Mac OS. Please understand there is a difference between iOS and Mac OS.

MS got hit with anti-trust because of IE. I cannot imagine what would have happened to MS if they tried to bundle Office. Other than killing of one of their cash cow that is.

Just keep twisting. That is all you can do.

Next you are going to say Open Office is part of Linux.

 

[88keys]

Even Windows hasn't done anything that Mac OS didn't do sooner. If it weren't for them, another OS would have taken their place. Windows wasn't the result of a talented team of developers or exquisite customer satisfaction.

I guess You don't remember Windows 95?

 

[Veliko]

Even Windows hasn't done anything that Mac OS didn't do sooner. If it weren't for them, another OS would have taken their place. Windows wasn't the result of a talented team of developers or exquisite customer satisfaction.

Neither was Mac OS, Steve Jobs ripped off the ideas from Xerox.

 

[ultimatebob]

Even Windows hasn't done anything that Mac OS didn't do sooner. If it weren't for them, another OS would have taken their place. Windows wasn't the result of a talented team of developers or exquisite customer satisfaction.

Both Apple and Microsoft ripped off Xerox... Apple just did a better job of it initially. Even Bill Gates would admit to that.

 

[rudeguy]

These are separate products too:

But you can't buy a copy of "Ultimate" without first buying a copy of "Windows." Much like you can't buy Office without Windows.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_...rnid=359849011


Yawn

 

[zinfamous]

Even Windows hasn't done anything that Mac OS didn't do sooner. If it weren't for them, another OS would have taken their place. Windows wasn't the result of a talented team of developers or exquisite customer satisfaction.

Even if this statement were objectively true (hint: it is neither objective, nor true), what would it have to do with your claim that they are a failure?

It takes neither talent, nor an original, great product to become a resounding success (look at Apple).

Again, what is your point? I know you've changed your point at least 4 times so far, but try and explain how your constantly admitting that they are successful leads to them being a failure.

I still don't get it.

 

[ultimatebob]

I guess You don't remember Windows 95?

I remember Windows 95... well, actually I remember it blue screening a lot

Windows basically sucked until Windows 2000 came out. Until then, I preferred DOS. Yeah, I'm old school like that.

 

[zinfamous]

iOS 7.

wait..you think mobile devices are the place to go for office productivity?


Are you actually dumber than you sound?

 

[ultimatebob]

wait..you think mobile devices are the place to go for office productivity?

Are you actually dumber than you sound?

Not to mention that iOS 7 isn't out yet, and I consider it to be more of a catch up effort to Android 4 more than anything else.

He would have been better off mentioning a Linux distribution that comes bundled with OpenOffice or LibreOffice.

This kid needs some help... figured I'd join in to bail him out

 

[Rakehellion]

wait..you think mobile devices are the place to go for office productivity?

Stop trying to shift someone else's goalpost. The claim was that it wasn't a part of the OS. And as far as I can tell, the iPad is a resounding success.

Both Apple and Microsoft ripped off Xerox... Apple just did a better job of it initially. Even Bill Gates would admit to that.

And when ripping people off doesn't work anymore, you have Microsoft in 2013.

 

[Spungo]

wait..you think mobile devices are the place to go for office productivity?


Are you actually dumber than you sound?

I would rather shoot myself than try to do office work on an iphone.

Microsoft is a good example of why big companies are safe investments. They can put out all kinds of shit and still be highly profitable. Here's a graph of Microsoft's free cash flow:
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Microsoft_(MSFT)/Data/Free_Cash_Flow
2005 was the only year they lost money. I think the stock is currently overpriced, but it's definitely a good company to own.

 

[rudeguy]

I would rather shoot myself than try to do office work on an iphone.

Microsoft is a good example of why big companies are safe investments. They can put out all kinds of shit and still be highly profitable. Here's a graph of Microsoft's free cash flow:
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Microsoft_(MSFT)/Data/Free_Cash_Flow
2005 was the only year they lost money. I think the stock is currently overpriced, but it's definitely a good company to own.

In contrast, I commonly work with spreadsheets, documents, emails, all kinds of things on my Note 2 and its painless.

On an iPhone, forget it. Unless you have midget stick fingers, there is no way.

 

[dank69]

... And as far as I can tell, the iPad is a resounding success.



...

Another software success story!

 

[sdifox]

Ad hom.

You guys are boring me. Talk about a reality distortion field.

are you trying to say argumentum ad hominem ?

 

[rudeguy]

OK...I'm done playing.


Your whole argument is that Microsoft "sucks" because of a couple of failures, correct? Or is it that Apple is better than Microsoft? Or is it that productivity software is hardware? Or is it that you have no idea what you are talking about and the world would be a better place if you were born without fingers?

 

[zinfamous]

Stop trying to shift someone else's goalpost. The claim was that it wasn't a part of the OS. And as far as I can tell, the iPad is a resounding success.

hah! We're just trying to keep up with your goalposts there, chief.

Yes or No: the iPad is a resounding success because people use it for productivity.

simple statement, simple answer.

 

[88keys]

I remember Windows 95... well, actually I remember it blue screening a lot

Windows basically sucked until Windows 2000 came out. Until then, I preferred DOS. Yeah, I'm old school like that.

Sure it may not look like much today, but it was the best you could get in comparison to what was available to consumers at the time. It is to this day considered to be a developmental milestone in regards to desktop OSes.