Matt Gaetz ethics report to be released

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Moonbeam

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ivwshane said:
There is actually a lot of value in engaging with “these types”. For one, it keeps me aware of different opinions, different points of views, current talking points, misinformation, and the type of lies and gas lighting that other people are experiencing. Two, it can provide a way to validate or invalidate my opinions. For example, if someone were to question my opinion or point out contradictory information, it gives me an opportunity to see if my opinion is based on feels or if the data/facts support my feels. If my opinion can’t stand up to basic scrutiny then is it worth having? If you seek the truth rather than being right it isn’t worth holding onto an opinion that can be discredited. Lastly, a lot of times my replies aren’t made in hopes of changing the mind of the person I’m responding to but to rather get those who might read my replies to either see my viewpoint or to question theirs in a safe ego free way.

Oh and sometimes I like outing trolls, although I don’t think greenman is a troll but I do think HE thinks he’s above being partisan or falling for propaganda, misinformation, and lies. Unfortunately I think his ego won’t allow him to see that he actually is very susceptible to the above, like most humans are, including me.
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Some people may consider you to be an idiot trying to engage with that unreachable troll dunce, but I loved your effort and especially what you had to say. I like the Buddhist prayer, “I vow to save all sentient beings.”
 
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Say wut? Which Dems look back and say Shrub wasn't so bad? You're right his image has improved a bit since 2009, but that often happens for post presidencies.

Also, it's a fair debate whether GWB or Trump is the worst of our lifetime (most historians think Trump is worst, but you could debate it). So I wouldn't say Shrub is easily the worst of our lifetime.
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Many. Apparently you missed the lovefest in 2019 & 2020 where dozens of prominent Dems and liberals were doing photo ops and discussing how he wasn't so bad compared to Trump.

As for who historians say is worse, if they are comparing the two already they aren't legitimate historians since the long term legacy of Trump is not yet known. A lot of what he did was via executive order which is fairly easy to reverse, much was under Biden. His most concrete legacy so far has been expanding the SCOTUS majority, but again that was building on what GWB did during his term.

Meanwhile I'm living in a vast surveillance state, with horrific foreign policy, a country that has not escaped massive deficits since Clinton, enormous and growing police powers, a culture war that has eliminated any middle that previously existed and a SCOTUS that went from center right to far right. Trump did not create these things, he merely leveraged what was already there.

Trump may yet prove to be worse over time, especially with a second term to cement his goals. But the book on his presidency is not yet closed and will not come into focus for at least a decade after he leaves office.
 
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ivwshane

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Reflex said:
Many. Apparently you missed the lovefest in 2019 & 2020 where dozens of prominent Dems and liberals were doing photo ops and discussing how he wasn't so bad compared to Trump.

As for who historians say is worse, if they are comparing the two already they aren't legitimate historians since the long term legacy of Trump is not yet known. A lot of what he did was via executive order which is fairly easy to reverse, much was under Biden. His most concrete legacy so far has been expanding the SCOTUS majority, but again that was building on what GWB did during his term.

Meanwhile I'm living in a vast surveillance state, with horrific foreign policy, a country that has not escaped massive deficits since Clinton, enormous and growing police powers, a culture war that has eliminated any middle that previously existed and a SCOTUS that went from center right to far right. Trump did not create these things, he merely leveraged what was already there.

Trump may yet prove to be worse over time, especially with a second term to cement his goals. But the book on his presidency is not yet closed and will not come into focus for at least a decade after he leaves office.
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I agree which is why I rank Reagan worse than Trump. However the thing that trump has done and that we have yet to see its full impact, is that he has eroded historical norms, reduced faith in our institutions, and weakened our democracy. Policy wise, well he didn’t do much except for a massive tax cut and a ballooning debt and a bungling of the response to a pandemic. Policy wise, bush was worse and has had a far greater negative impact on this country but we are still dealing with the impact of Regan’s policies.
 
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It’s been released… I can see why he was so upset the other day.

Can also see why he bailed on the AG post. Never would have gotten clearance.
 
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Evangelicals probably think God anointed him to office, and can't understand why he quit. This is normal behavior in their book, and perfectly suited for a job in the white house.
 
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What is so magical about sexual predators that Trump can't stay away? Trump has incredible judgement concerning appointees. Attorney General Gaetz. Say it again, Attorney General Gaetz.
 
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nOOky said:
Evangelicals probably think God anointed him to office, and can't understand why he quit. This is normal behavior in their book, and perfectly suited for a job in the white house.
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In my experience their excuse here would be ‘they all do it’. They use this a lot with Trump and then explain away why Republicans get busted so much more than Democrats as indicative of bias against them by media and law enforcement.
 
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nOOky said:
Evangelicals probably think God anointed him to office, and can't understand why he quit. This is normal behavior in their book, and perfectly suited for a job in the white house.
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Trump cuts a figure they recognize, namely that of a televangelist. All vices are ultimately ignorable if framed as necessary for achieving the goal they think god has tasked them with: in this case obtaining social, legal, political, and economic power to lord over the rest of us immoral primitive heathens.
 
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fskimospy said:
In my experience their excuse here would be ‘they all do it’. They use this a lot with Trump and then explain away why Republicans get busted so much more than Democrats as indicative of bias against them by media and law enforcement.
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I do enjoy how angrily perplexed Rs get when we find a D politician has acted reprehensibly or illegally and we just nonchalantly can their ass.

Parties that haven't devolved into personality cults are good imo.
 
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brycejones

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This man was clearly qualified as a lawyer to be AG.

Shortly after Matt Gaetz filed his emergency motion to stop the House Ethics Committee report from being released, the clerk in Federal District Court in Washington posted a note online telling him he had filed it improperly. He was supposed to submit his complaint and his request for a temporary restraining order separately, which he failed to do. “This case will not proceed any further until all errors are satisfied,” the clerk’s note read.
 
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dank69 said:
7 years to determine that yes he did in fact pay to have sex with a 17yo. Something we all knew 6 years ago. Our government is broken beyond some simple corrections.
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And we grew up with NASA..

Our government doing what no one else.. no private company.. no other country could do..

The fucking downfall in efficiency since Reagan has been insane.
 
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dank69 said:
7 years to determine that yes he did in fact pay to have sex with a 17yo. Something we all knew 6 years ago. Our government is broken beyond some simple corrections.
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Shouldn't this have been prosecuted properly locally? That is where the second crime occurred.
 
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