Matt Gaetz ethics report to be released

[HomerJS]

I absolutely believe huge deficits are an issue, and Trumps history on that issue is concerning to me. That has to be weighed against other issues in terms of support. Illegal immigration is a problem, I don't approve of importing a peasant class. Inflation is another issue, and I understand that deficit spending can increase inflation. Stepping into regional conflicts and generally being the worlds piggy bank is another issue.
I still believe that we'll be better off with Trump than Harris. An opinion that's clearly in the majority. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I never claimed infallibility.

Why don't you have an issue with hastening a peasant class in this country? Trump ballooning the deficit for tax cuts to the rich made income inequality much worse and you voted for that yet again.

 

[HomerJS]

It is amazing how hard Republicans have worked to convince America that Trump wasn't president in 2020.

I remember during the election Trump was running ads purporting to show how bad things would be if Harris was president... by showing rioting that happened while Trump was president.

and somehow @Greenman forgets 2020

 

[fskimospy]

I'd love for you to write down, today, what you think the worst possible outcomes would have been with Harris as president. As much detail as possible, include numbers, percentages etc. Then stuff that in a box somewhere and look at it again in 4 years. This is a good way to prevent you from forgiving what trump does in the next 4 by saying 'well it probably would have been worse with Harris anyhow'.

It's weird how often people talk about how things were good under Trump and that's what they want back when his term ended with a massive plague that he made actively worse, civil unrest, a crashing economy, and his coup attempt.

One of the main points of the presidency is supposed to be when we have an emergency one man is empowered to act quickly and decisively. Trump faced that challenge exactly once in his presidency and he failed about as hard as it's possible to fail at it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's weird how often people talk about how things were good under Trump and that's what they want back when his term ended with a massive plague that he made actively worse, civil unrest, a crashing economy, and his coup attempt.

One of the main points of the presidency is supposed to be when we have an emergency one man is empowered to act quickly and decisively. Trump faced that challenge exactly once in his presidency and he failed about as hard as it's possible to fail at it.

He failed harder than an inanimate carbon rod would have. He literally had to do nothing but let the billion dollars of experts in the matter take over and we would have been so. much. better. off.

 

[Reflex]

I'd love for you to write down, today, what you think the worst possible outcomes would have been with Harris as president. As much detail as possible, include numbers, percentages etc. Then stuff that in a box somewhere and look at it again in 4 years. This is a good way to prevent you from forgiving what trump does in the next 4 by saying 'well it probably would have been worse with Harris anyhow'.

This. Literally this. This is what made me quit the Republican party back in 2006. I wasn't a fan of GWB, hated him in fact, but at the time I was like "Well at least it's not Gore." In reality GWB broke this country, financially, as a global power, judicially and culturally. Easily the worst president of my lifetime, and the recency bias of Dems looking back on him as not so bad ignores the catastrophic damage caused by his presidency and how it led to the mass surveillance state, shaky economy and cultural polarization we have today.

So yes, for those who are intellectually honest about their critiques of 'the other guy', writing down the worst case scenario and then comparing it down the line helps you stay honest, with yourself and others. It did for me.

 

[Greenman]

If you're weighing deficits against other issues that's fine but these are some strange ones to put together. For example Trump's position on deficits, tariffs, and immigration would make inflation much, much worse than anything we've seen. This is not some partisan opinion, it is the overwhelming conclusion of economists from across the spectrum. Also, the US spends something like 0.2% of GDP on foreign aid, much less than almost any other developed country. The 'world's piggy bank' thing is just misinformation.

In short it's hard to take claims of caring about inflation and deficits seriously when you're supporting the guy pledging much higher deficits and higher inflation.

I hope that doesn't happen. If it does I'll be annoyed.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I hope that doesn't happen. If it does I'll be annoyed.

You'll be annoyed? People actually live and die on the decisions that the president and the administration, and through them, YOU make.

Annoyed.

 

[Fenixgoon]

This. Literally this. This is what made me quit the Republican party back in 2006. I wasn't a fan of GWB, hated the in fact, but at the time I was like "Well at least it's not Gore." In reality GWB broke this country, financially, as a global power, judicially and culturally. Easily the worst president of my lifetime, and the recency bias of Dems looking back on him as not so bad ignores the catastrophic damage caused by his presidency and how it led to the mass surveillance state, shaky economy and cultural polarization we have today.

So yes, for those who are intellectually honest about their critiques of 'the other guy', writing down the worst case scenario and then comparing it down the line helps you stay honest, with yourself and others. It did for me.

Holy lurker post batman!

 

[MrSquished]

You'll be annoyed? People actually live and die on the decisions that the president and the administration, and through them, YOU make.

Annoyed.

Greenman's entire existence makes annoying seem not so bad.

 

[HomerJS]

You'll be annoyed? People actually live and die on the decisions that the president and the administration, and through them, YOU make.

Annoyed.

By @Greenman ignoring 2020 it allowed him to justify voting for Trump yet again even though it already cost people their lives. Unless it affects him personally, he doesn't give a shit. It's all about owning the libs.

 

[brycejones]

By @Greenman ignoring 2020 it allowed him to justify voting for Trump yet again even though it already cost people their lives. Unless it affects him personally, he doesn't give a shit. It's all about owning the libs.

Conservatives are unable to understand how people are impacted through their policy choices until they are directly impacted. In other words conservatives suffer from an inability to empathize with strangers.

 

[MrSquished]

Greenman falls into the third category

 

[ivwshane]

I guess I can forgive you for not knowing how much Trump added to the debt, even though it’s one of your biggest concerns. What I don’t understand though is how you still supported Trump when the other issue you claim to care about, immigration/border security, was completely undermined by Trump and only Trump, after republicans and democrats passed a bipartisan bill that would have addressed your concerns.

Unless greenman is all about the culture war bs that republicans are always pushing (and by all accounts it doesn’t seem like he is), it just doesn’t make sense.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess I can forgive you for not knowing how much Trump added to the debt, even though it’s one of your biggest concerns. What I don’t understand though is how you still supported Trump when the other issue you claim to care about, immigration/border security, was completely undermined by Trump and only Trump, after republicans and democrats passed a bipartisan bill that would have addressed your concerns.

Unless greenman is all about the culture war bs that republicans are always pushing (and by all accounts it doesn’t seem like he is), it just doesn’t make sense.

Sure is strange how Republicans constantly talk about how much they care about border security and then have torpedoed every attempt to address border security that's come through Congress.

It's almost as if they don't actually view it as a problem and think it's good to have as a campaign issue!

 

[dank69]

Trumps year on year deficit increase for all 4 years is 14.6%. Biden's is 23.3% for the first 3 years.

U.S. Budget Deficit by Year Compared to GDP and Debt

The federal budget deficit rises when government spending is high, such as during wars or recessions. Budget deficits cause the national debt to grow.

www.thebalancemoney.com

ABSOLUTE CLOWN SHOES

 

[dank69]

I absolutely believe huge deficits are an issue, and Trumps history on that issue is concerning to me. That has to be weighed against other issues in terms of support. Illegal immigration is a problem, I don't approve of importing a peasant class. Inflation is another issue, and I understand that deficit spending can increase inflation. Stepping into regional conflicts and generally being the worlds piggy bank is another issue.
I still believe that we'll be better off with Trump than Harris. An opinion that's clearly in the majority. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I never claimed infallibility.

Welp, my attack on deficits blew up in my face, time to pretend to care about illegals and be sure to ignore that Trump singlehandedly torpedoed the Republican border security bill. Greenman, you and every person like you are the reason our world is shit. Full stop. Keep blaming liberals you fucking muppet.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Welp, my attack on deficits blew up in my face, time to pretend to care about illegals and be sure to ignore that Trump singlehandedly torpedoed the Republican border security bill. Greenman, you and every person like you are the reason our world is shit. Full stop. Keep blaming liberals you fucking muppet.

Ayup. Literally every single thing he complains about are situations Republicans are actively creating, or have created in the last four years.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I guess I can forgive you for not knowing how much Trump added to the debt, even though it’s one of your biggest concerns. What I don’t understand though is how you still supported Trump when the other issue you claim to care about, immigration/border security, was completely undermined by Trump and only Trump, after republicans and democrats passed a bipartisan bill that would have addressed your concerns.

Unless greenman is all about the culture war bs that republicans are always pushing (and by all accounts it doesn’t seem like he is), it just doesn’t make sense.

Goddamnit. Gonna have to add you to ignore list if you insist on debating with someone that constantly shits all over everything they claim. At some point you fucking dumbfucks need to recognize the dishonesty and realize there is no value in bothering with holding them accountable for it or caring what they think, because doing so has not changed a damn thing, if anything it validate them and helped spread their nonsense.

Trust me, the best way to get someone to stop spouting bullshit isn't to debate it with them, its to just give them a look of "oh you said something, but there's nothing worth responding to" and then proceeding to just do whatever is something productive for yourself. Those people crave attention, and if you starve them of it, they become less emboldened to spout their shit. Also, by not giving them a negative response, it just leaves them empty instead of angry (which galvanizes their opinion, so not giving them that, helps reduce that aspect when they're being radicalized).

They're winning by merely making you waste your fucking time even simply telling them to fuck off, let alone if you keep wasting your time holding them accountable in that way. That's how their bullshit apparatus is winning, not via disinformation, but by wasting so much time/effort of people against it, that it kills their ability to override it with productive action. Stop telling dipshits on forums to fuck off, and instead tell your fucking representatives. And if they don't listen, at least you're then wasting their fucking time and resources instead of vice versa.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Conservatives are unable to understand how people are impacted through their policy choices until they are directly impacted. In other words conservatives suffer from an inability to empathize with strangers.

I don't think even that works. I know shitloads of people directly negatively impacted by it, and they don't fucking care because they don't believe it, and instead have already been primed to blame liberals/others for it. It also plays into them simply hating the government (so they become either more apathetic or negative and don't even want to try to do anything to fix it).

 

[repoman0]

Goddamnit. Gonna have to add you to ignore list if you insist on debating with someone that constantly shits all over everything they claim. At some point you fucking dumbfucks need to recognize the dishonesty and realize there is no value in bothering with holding them accountable for it or caring what they think, because doing so has not changed a damn thing, if anything it validate them and helped spread their nonsense.

Trust me, the best way to get someone to stop spouting bullshit isn't to debate it with them, its to just give them a look of "oh you said something, but there's nothing worth responding to" and then proceeding to just do whatever is something productive for yourself. Those people crave attention, and if you starve them of it, they become less emboldened to spout their shit. Also, by not giving them a negative response, it just leaves them empty instead of angry (which galvanizes their opinion, so not giving them that, helps reduce that aspect when they're being radicalized).

They're winning by merely making you waste your fucking time even simply telling them to fuck off, let alone if you keep wasting your time holding them accountable in that way. That's how their bullshit apparatus is winning, not via disinformation, but by wasting so much time/effort of people against it, that it kills their ability to override it with productive action. Stop telling dipshits on forums to fuck off, and instead tell your fucking representatives. And if they don't listen, at least you're then wasting their fucking time and resources instead of vice versa.

Can you add the whole forum to your ignore list so we can stop reading your dumb predictable walls of angry text?

 

[Moonbeam]

Goddamnit. Gonna have to add you to ignore list if you insist on debating with someone that constantly shits all over everything they claim. At some point you fucking dumbfucks need to recognize the dishonesty and realize there is no value in bothering with holding them accountable for it or caring what they think, because doing so has not changed a damn thing, if anything it validate them and helped spread their nonsense.

Trust me, the best way to get someone to stop spouting bullshit isn't to debate it with them, its to just give them a look of "oh you said something, but there's nothing worth responding to" and then proceeding to just do whatever is something productive for yourself. Those people crave attention, and if you starve them of it, they become less emboldened to spout their shit. Also, by not giving them a negative response, it just leaves them empty instead of angry (which galvanizes their opinion, so not giving them that, helps reduce that aspect when they're being radicalized).

They're winning by merely making you waste your fucking time even simply telling them to fuck off, let alone if you keep wasting your time holding them accountable in that way. That's how their bullshit apparatus is winning, not via disinformation, but by wasting so much time/effort of people against it, that it kills their ability to override it with productive action. Stop telling dipshits on forums to fuck off, and instead tell your fucking representatives. And if they don't listen, at least you're then wasting their fucking time and resources instead of vice versa.

I believe a person can be evaluated by their aim. Who has the higher aim, a person who writes others off as hopelessly ignorant and deserving of isolation or someone who wants to share knowledge that if accepted will improve that person's life. I've known for a long time that you are a worthless nobody who was put down and ignored as a child and has been trying to pretend to be a real somebody wiser than all others ever since. But you have managed only to become mean and nasty. You are so pathetic I will never stop caring for you. The reason I find your behavior so repulsive is because you remind me of somebody else. Can you guess who?

 

[manly]

This. Literally this. This is what made me quit the Republican party back in 2006. I wasn't a fan of GWB, hated the in fact, but at the time I was like "Well at least it's not Gore." In reality GWB broke this country, financially, as a global power, judicially and culturally. Easily the worst president of my lifetime, and the recency bias of Dems looking back on him as not so bad ignores the catastrophic damage caused by his presidency and how it led to the mass surveillance state, shaky economy and cultural polarization we have today.

So yes, for those who are intellectually honest about their critiques of 'the other guy', writing down the worst case scenario and then comparing it down the line helps you stay honest, with yourself and others. It did for me.

Say wut? Which Dems look back and say Shrub wasn't so bad? You're right his image has improved a bit since 2009, but that often happens for post presidencies.

Also, it's a fair debate whether GWB or Trump is the worst of our lifetime (most historians think Trump is worst, but you could debate it). So I wouldn't say Shrub is easily the worst of our lifetime.

 

[VashHT]

Unless greenman is all about the culture war bs that republicans are always pushing (and by all accounts it doesn’t seem like he is), it just doesn’t make sense.

He is, he's pretty fixated on trans people.

 

[brycejones]

He is, he's pretty fixated on trans people.

It's weird though that he refused to answer questions about which bathroom someone should use based on pictures.

 

[ivwshane]

Goddamnit. Gonna have to add you to ignore list if you insist on debating with someone that constantly shits all over everything they claim. At some point you fucking dumbfucks need to recognize the dishonesty and realize there is no value in bothering with holding them accountable for it or caring what they think, because doing so has not changed a damn thing, if anything it validate them and helped spread their nonsense.

Trust me, the best way to get someone to stop spouting bullshit isn't to debate it with them, its to just give them a look of "oh you said something, but there's nothing worth responding to" and then proceeding to just do whatever is something productive for yourself. Those people crave attention, and if you starve them of it, they become less emboldened to spout their shit. Also, by not giving them a negative response, it just leaves them empty instead of angry (which galvanizes their opinion, so not giving them that, helps reduce that aspect when they're being radicalized).

They're winning by merely making you waste your fucking time even simply telling them to fuck off, let alone if you keep wasting your time holding them accountable in that way. That's how their bullshit apparatus is winning, not via disinformation, but by wasting so much time/effort of people against it, that it kills their ability to override it with productive action. Stop telling dipshits on forums to fuck off, and instead tell your fucking representatives. And if they don't listen, at least you're then wasting their fucking time and resources instead of vice versa.

There is actually a lot of value in engaging with “these types”. For one, it keeps me aware of different opinions, different points of views, current talking points, misinformation, and the type of lies and gas lighting that other people are experiencing. Two, it can provide a way to validate or invalidate my opinions. For example, if someone were to question my opinion or point out contradictory information, it gives me an opportunity to see if my opinion is based on feels or if the data/facts support my feels. If my opinion can’t stand up to basic scrutiny then is it worth having? If you seek the truth rather than being right it isn’t worth holding onto an opinion that can be discredited. Lastly, a lot of times my replies aren’t made in hopes of changing the mind of the person I’m responding to but to rather get those who might read my replies to either see my viewpoint or to question theirs in a safe ego free way.

Oh and sometimes I like outing trolls, although I don’t think greenman is a troll but I do think HE thinks he’s above being partisan or falling for propaganda, misinformation, and lies. Unfortunately I think his ego won’t allow him to see that he actually is very susceptible to the above, like most humans are, including me.