Matt Gaetz ethics report to be released

[fskimospy]

Shouldn't this have been prosecuted properly locally? That is where the second crime occurred.

Yes the things listed here are state crimes, generally speaking.

One other important note though is that the standard of evidence between a congressional report and a criminal conviction are very different.

I think it’s very clear Gaetz is guilty but there are plenty of times where those two don’t overlap.

 

[nakedfrog]

I guess I can forgive you for not knowing how much Trump added to the debt, even though it’s one of your biggest concerns. What I don’t understand though is how you still supported Trump when the other issue you claim to care about, immigration/border security, was completely undermined by Trump and only Trump, after republicans and democrats passed a bipartisan bill that would have addressed your concerns.

Unless greenman is all about the culture war bs that republicans are always pushing (and by all accounts it doesn’t seem like he is), it just doesn’t make sense.

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He listed 6 "major topics" of concern to him, 3 of them related to trans people. 1 of them was about abortion.

 

[WelshBloke]

I keep forgetting if he was Beavis or Butthead?

You decide!

 

[HomerJS]

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What is so magical about sexual predators that Trump can't stay away? Trump has incredible judgement concerning appointees. Attorney General Gaetz. Say it again, Attorney General Gaetz.

It's called the Trump camp. @Greenman would have an answer to this since is he a self-professed member of that camp.

 

[manly]

Many. Apparently you missed the lovefest in 2019 & 2020 where dozens of prominent Dems and liberals were doing photo ops and discussing how he wasn't so bad compared to Trump.

As for who historians say is worse, if they are comparing the two already they aren't legitimate historians since the long term legacy of Trump is not yet known. A lot of what he did was via executive order which is fairly easy to reverse, much was under Biden. His most concrete legacy so far has been expanding the SCOTUS majority, but again that was building on what GWB did during his term.

Meanwhile I'm living in a vast surveillance state, with horrific foreign policy, a country that has not escaped massive deficits since Clinton, enormous and growing police powers, a culture war that has eliminated any middle that previously existed and a SCOTUS that went from center right to far right. Trump did not create these things, he merely leveraged what was already there.

Trump may yet prove to be worse over time, especially with a second term to cement his goals. But the book on his presidency is not yet closed and will not come into focus for at least a decade after he leaves office.

That's a very reasonable post. Thanks!
To be fair, "not so bad" (as originally stated) and not so bad "compared to Trump" are two entirely different things. Even GWB himself joked about it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376909-bush-says-trump-makes-me-look-pretty-good-by-comparison-report/

I don't disagree with your overall assessment, except the quip about historians. Yes, you can say DJT was an ineffectual POTUS because he's always been a shitty CEO in his private life. That doesn't change the damage he did in just 4 short years. Fucker sucked on his job, was fired by the people, then tried to overthrow the government and Constitution to stay in office. Then four years later, gets to walk back in through the front door. His SCOTUS packing alone will haunt us for a generation.

Just because things are set up to get a LOT worse doesn't mean historians don't already have a fair assessment of the Trump presidency. Heck, in a fantasy world, he could fail at all the horrific things he's planning to do, preside over a robust economy and even improve his all-time worst reputation. But I don't expect that to happen.

I've said it before so I don't disagree that GWB was so bad that you can't even say for sure that Trump 1.0 was worse. You're right that Shrub's reputation has been rehab'd after his terms, and people somewhat forget how bad he was. I just disagree with the blanket assessment that GWB was easily the worst of our lifetime. On policy alone, that's reasonable. But there are other important factors at play.

 

[Pens1566]

Summary for those of us without twitter accounts?

Just a bunch of really obvious posts where he's claiming they were "dating", and how it's not unusual for people that dating to pay $$$ back.

Right, Matt. The 17yr old from out of state sure did have $900 when you didn't. And those drugs were also someone else's. Yep. Sounds likely.

 

[manly]

In my experience their excuse here would be ‘they all do it’. They use this a lot with Trump and then explain away why Republicans get busted so much more than Democrats as indicative of bias against them by media and law enforcement.

I would die if MTG followed through with her threat to out other GOP fucktards if the Ethics committee releases the Matty G report. Of course she won't, but damn that would be 5D chess.

 

[ivwshane]

For a party so anti pedophilia, it’s kind of amazing the level of silence there is when the pedo it’s one of their own.

 

[MrSquished]

The party of family values. I keep hearin about these drag queens and trans people but all I hear about are right wing pastors or right wing politicians abusing minors and also with most of the sex scandals.

 

[Indus]

For a party so anti pedophilia, it’s kind of amazing the level of silence there is when the pedo it’s one of their own.

Because they're a club. They don't talk bad about their own. It's always the outsiders.. especially the darkies or the trannies that're a bigger threat to white males.

 

[Brainonska511]

For a party so anti pedophilia, it’s kind of amazing the level of silence there is when the pedo it’s one of their own.

Because the call has always been coming from inside the house. They just let it go to voicemail.

 

[manly]

Shouldn't this have been prosecuted properly locally? That is where the second crime occurred.

In the spirit of the holidays, let's not forget the final days of AG Merrick Garland: the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Reflex]

I agree which is why I rank Reagan worse than Trump. However the thing that trump has done and that we have yet to see its full impact, is that he has eroded historical norms, reduced faith in our institutions, and weakened our democracy. Policy wise, well he didn’t do much except for a massive tax cut and a ballooning debt and a bungling of the response to a pandemic. Policy wise, bush was worse and has had a far greater negative impact on this country but we are still dealing with the impact of Regan’s policies.

I agree with you on Reagan, and imo it's between Reagan and GWB for who actually did the most long term damage. As for Trump, he certainly has attempted to do those things, but whether they have staying power and actually change politics in a permanent fashion is yet to be determined, when he dies we'll have to see if his brand of politics has any staying power or if he's just a Teddy Roosevelt, never to be repeated.

 

[ch33zw1z]

For a party so anti pedophilia, it’s kind of amazing the level of silence there is when the pedo it’s one of their own.

Well he’s really just a go get-her, bootstraps, drugs, and moxy

 

[Reflex]

That's a very reasonable post. Thanks!
To be fair, "not so bad" (as originally stated) and not so bad "compared to Trump" are two entirely different things. Even GWB himself joked about it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376909-bush-says-trump-makes-me-look-pretty-good-by-comparison-report/

I don't disagree with your overall assessment, except the quip about historians. Yes, you can say DJT was an ineffectual POTUS because he's always been a shitty CEO in his private life. That doesn't change the damage he did in just 4 short years. Fucker sucked on his job, was fired by the people, then tried to overthrow the government and Constitution to stay in office. Then four years later, gets to walk back in through the front door. His SCOTUS packing alone will haunt us for a generation.

Just because things are set up to get a LOT worse doesn't mean historians don't already have a fair assessment of the Trump presidency. Heck, in a fantasy world, he could fail at all the horrific things he's planning to do, preside over a robust economy and even improve his all-time worst reputation. But I don't expect that to happen.

I've said it before so I don't disagree that GWB was so bad that you can't even say for sure that Trump 1.0 was worse. You're right that Shrub's reputation has been rehab'd after his terms, and people somewhat forget how bad he was. I just disagree with the blanket assessment that GWB was easily the worst of our lifetime. On policy alone, that's reasonable. But there are other important factors at play.

This is a fair assessment, I would quibble on some of it, but reasonable people can disagree. I think as pointed out by ivwshane Reagan has to be in this conversation as well, he set the stage for a lot of our current problems but I was a child during the 80's so I barely consider that to be "in my lifetime" since I was not politically aware until GHB (one of the more underrated Republicans IMO).

IMO, 9/11 and especially the reaction to it broke the country, possibly for generations. Osama won and turned us into global villains, and internally our nationalism grew to where it outstripped our internationalism.

 

[feralkid]

You decide!
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Poll needed, but pretty sure he most resembles Beavis.

 

[Jaskalas]

What I don’t understand though is how you still supported Trump when the other issue you claim to care about, immigration/border security, was completely undermined by Trump and only Trump, after republicans and democrats passed a bipartisan bill that would have addressed your concerns.

You don't understand it? I can explain that the bill was viewed as business as usual. More guards to help escort people in and through the border is not a benefit to opponents. Nor increased resources to process the undocumented. They want it shut down with force. They want to minimize the number of people crossing, and they never believed that bill would accomplish that.

 

[Muse]

The girls tell it like it is, as always, be on your toes for this one. And stick it out, they run down the gamut.

 

[Muse]

Because they're a club. They don't talk bad about their own. It's always the outsiders.. especially the darkies or the trannies that're a bigger threat to white males.

Trump TV ads in the closing weeks were heavy on the Trans surgeries in prisons motif, which enraged me. But America has spoken, yessir, priorities are priorities. Abortion rights? Secondary. Ukraine? Putie's army is doing the genius's work. What I have heard, however, concerning these abhorrent taxpayer funded prison surgeries is that the grand total was 2.

 

[zinfamous]

Ayup. Literally every single thing he complains about are situations Republicans are actively creating, or have created in the last four decades.

ftfy

 

[zinfamous]

That's a very reasonable post. Thanks!
To be fair, "not so bad" (as originally stated) and not so bad "compared to Trump" are two entirely different things. Even GWB himself joked about it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376909-bush-says-trump-makes-me-look-pretty-good-by-comparison-report/

I don't disagree with your overall assessment, except the quip about historians. Yes, you can say DJT was an ineffectual POTUS because he's always been a shitty CEO in his private life. That doesn't change the damage he did in just 4 short years. Fucker sucked on his job, was fired by the people, then tried to overthrow the government and Constitution to stay in office. Then four years later, gets to walk back in through the front door. His SCOTUS packing alone will haunt us for a generation.

Just because things are set up to get a LOT worse doesn't mean historians don't already have a fair assessment of the Trump presidency. Heck, in a fantasy world, he could fail at all the horrific things he's planning to do, preside over a robust economy and even improve his all-time worst reputation. But I don't expect that to happen.

I've said it before so I don't disagree that GWB was so bad that you can't even say for sure that Trump 1.0 was worse. You're right that Shrub's reputation has been rehab'd after his terms, and people somewhat forget how bad he was. I just disagree with the blanket assessment that GWB was easily the worst of our lifetime. On policy alone, that's reasonable. But there are other important factors at play.

All of this is because of Reagan.

Easily the worst president, and I don't think it's even close.

 

[Reflex]

All of this is because of Reagan.

Easily the worst president, and I don't think it's even close.

Definitely a case can be made. GHB was the last gasp of Eisenhower style Republicans, unfortunately and he did not get along with Reagan.

 

[zinfamous]

Definitely a case can be made. GHB was the last gasp of Eisenhower style Republicans, unfortunately and he did not get along with Reagan.

He actually understood how dangerous, and what utter clownshoes bullshit "Trickle down" was. We definitely would have been in a much better place if he had won those primaries instead of Dementia Ronny.

 

[IronWing]

He actually understood how dangerous, and what utter clownshoes bullshit "Trickle down" was. We definitely would have been in a much better place if he had won those primaries instead of Dementia Ronny.

GHB was still a fascist war criminal and one more Republican traitor. Don't put too high of a polish on that turd.

 

[zinfamous]

GHB was still a fascist war criminal and one more Republican traitor. Don't put too high of a polish on that turd.

It's a really low bar, dude. I think it's pretty unquestionable that between the two, HW would have put us in a far, far, far better place than Reagan did.