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The only amd chipset I ever had stability problems with was the kx133 (slot a).
kt133, kt266, kt266a, kt333, kt400,nf2,nf3,nf4 None of those had any stability issues for me.
And yes, amd rigs. I've never owned an intel rig for more than a couple months, much less run it that long. Except laptops. Because every job I've ever built a rig for, even if I built amd initially, I could sell the parts, buy amd, get a little $$ in my pocket and have a machine that worked as well if not better for what I needed it for. Hard to justify buying Intel anything, since AMD typically offers performance within 10% of top of the line @ $75 or less if you're an overclocker.
kt133, kt266, kt266a, kt333, kt400,nf2,nf3,nf4 None of those had any stability issues for me.
And yes, amd rigs. I've never owned an intel rig for more than a couple months, much less run it that long. Except laptops. Because every job I've ever built a rig for, even if I built amd initially, I could sell the parts, buy amd, get a little $$ in my pocket and have a machine that worked as well if not better for what I needed it for. Hard to justify buying Intel anything, since AMD typically offers performance within 10% of top of the line @ $75 or less if you're an overclocker.
Oh you seriously cannot tell me with a straight face that the KT266 was stable out of the box. It was via's first attempt at a DDR chipset and the revision was not stable out of the box and had compatibility issues with various PCI cards. The KT266a was their followup and basically fixed most of the issues that KT266 had.
i had never touch (literally) an intel CPU with my fingers in my entire life (im 23 this year).
i do not feel deprived.. i am not sad... and my pockets hav no holes....
basically for those who say intel is good great stable or watever... they are just outdated.. unable to accept chances.... turning away from reality..... and worst of all never take the initiative to improve their own personal general knowledge.....
i don't even hav to own and use an intel chips (now) to know the outcome.... common sense should do the trick. .... i used amd last time becoz they were cheap alternative... i use them now becoz the performance is top notch.... intel nv had a chance ever...
i do not feel deprived.. i am not sad... and my pockets hav no holes....
basically for those who say intel is good great stable or watever... they are just outdated.. unable to accept chances.... turning away from reality..... and worst of all never take the initiative to improve their own personal general knowledge.....
i don't even hav to own and use an intel chips (now) to know the outcome.... common sense should do the trick. .... i used amd last time becoz they were cheap alternative... i use them now becoz the performance is top notch.... intel nv had a chance ever...
You were close, but not the Princess Bride, its from Conan 😎
KT266 was flawed, but so has been every VIA chipset. They've gotten better but I wouldn't trust one if it was given to me.
That said, let's not turn this thread in to a massive VIA chipset discussion. Those of us who have been around a while remember the long, drawn-out flame shoots that used to start on a near-daily basis over VIA and would rather leave that crap buried in the sand.
Zap
Elite Member
You are implying that Intel chips are unstable?
A properly functional and designed computer should be stable, regardless of which CPU it contains. AMD is currently enjoying popularity in the enthusiast/after- market at the moment because at this time they have more favorable traits than current Intel offerings. This is why the system I'm typing this message on is an A64, not a P4. However, the pendulum does tend to swing. How many A64 owners on this board used to (or still does) own a nicely overclocking Northwood on an 865PE/875P chipset board? [Zap raises hand] How many here have owned a nicely overclocking mobile Barton on an Nforce 2 Ultra 400 board? [Zap raises hand] How many here have owned a nicely overclocking Tualatin Celeron? [Zap raises hand]
In a year or two the pendulum can swing the other way. What is Intel working on? Didn't they have some dual core desktop CPUs based on the Pentium M in the oven (no pun intended)? If those end up performing and overclocking like the Pentium M and runs as cool, yet at a higher GHz and with two cores...
Leper Messiah
Banned
I'll try source when I get home tonight...don't have madden.
I used it for a bit more than a year without any crashes. Usually running ~ 2 weeks uptime before I took it down to go lanning every other weekend. How do you define stable?
It was shuttle ak31 (I ordered an ak31a, but shop screwed me and sent ak31) with a palimino 1800+ and 2x256megs mismatched generic rams (PNY and Kbyte iirc) running win2k.
USB went out when pci bus was overclocked, but I didnt use any usb devices at the time, and it wasn't a stability issue since it didn't happen when board was run in specs.
Ah, the X2, I should have known that was what you were asking for. That is a tricky one, since XP+SP2 is required for the X2 driver, I can't say if the single core version for 2KPro will work, I'd try it and see though.
VivienM: I think the fundamental idea of running Prime95 and some such for hours on end is to test whether or not the CPU, HT bus, memory, graphics card, etcs' silicons have any defects at the frequency they're running at. If these, what are considered the most intensive tasks one can stress any part of the system, pass for hours on end then most likely the physical properties of the various parts are conforming to the "standards of stability" set forth by their manufacturers (and AMD systems DO pass these tests). This means that any programs that run on these hardware are guaranteed to get the correct results, given that the program itself is correctly written. In the end, if the hardware that the software is running on is correct (not considering cosmic events, such as cosmic radiation, natural disasters, major power fluctuations, etc...), then no blame can be attributed to the hardware itself. That being said, if Windows still crash/implodes, then that's Window's problem, be it drivers or general uptime.
Then given both conditions that the drivers are correct in addition to the hardware itself being correct (both most likely the case being that Prime95 et al. passed), then the fault can only be attributed to Windows' own overall stability. In this case, then you would experience the same, if not longer, uptime on the AMD system than the Intel system (since you have the optimal hardware/software driver configuration, which is also probably the case for your old P4).
Then given both conditions that the drivers are correct in addition to the hardware itself being correct (both most likely the case being that Prime95 et al. passed), then the fault can only be attributed to Windows' own overall stability. In this case, then you would experience the same, if not longer, uptime on the AMD system than the Intel system (since you have the optimal hardware/software driver configuration, which is also probably the case for your old P4).
stevty2889
Diamond Member
It's definatly a lot better than you 1.9 williamette in any case, but without some major cooling it's gonna run really hot. It was running at about 67c under load until I put in a loud 108CFM 120mm fan, now it runs at about 62c at stock speeds. I'm not even gonna attempt to overclock it right now, I am suprised my 420w thermaltake can run it at all. It sure does help keep my bedroom warm though. I had it in the living room for troubleshooting my ATI driver problems last night, and I got cold without it.
Well, a cool-running CPU would be nice...
The 1.9 Willamette is running about 63C right now, that's with about sustained 50% CPU utilization... Gaming, it can probably hit about 70C.
My Cel D. 330 is running
temp1: +38 C (high = +4 C, hyst = +2 C) sensor = thermistor
temp2: +59.0 C (high = +85 C, hyst = +80 C) sensor = diode
temp3: +42.0 C (high = +85 C, hyst = +80 C) sensor = thermistor
Now, it runs Linux (MythTV), so I'm not sure which of the three is actually the CPU reading. I'm guessing the 59C, though. This is at somewhat moderate load, and the (stock) fan is turning a somewhat loud 4200RPM...
I have to stop building hot-running systems, don't I? 🙂
And the only way to cut heat output is through things that run less hot - common sense dictates that adding more fans and whatnot simply moves the heat elsewhere (where it gets removed at considerable air conditioner expense... or by opening the window in the middle of winter)
Is the stock cooler Good Enough for my purposes? If yes, that's what I'll get...
Ambient temp is 24.2C right now, and that's with all of my hot Intels heating the place up (landlord has been slow to turn on the heat, it seems)
BTW, while we're on the topic of heat: I'm thinking about cases like the Antec TX1088AMG. (Suggestions welcome for silverish cases in that same price range, btw) Would I need to add additional fans if I've got an X2, two HDs, and a 7800GT in there?
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Antec 3000 Something..... and an Antec 480 watt true power. What you need for quiet is 120mm exhaust fan Also, I really do like the XP90 HSF (AL) since it is so quiet and only $35, even though stock would do without overclocking. Hopefully more will chime in, but since its a variant of your original post, you may want to re-post and ask all these questions.
The Antec 3000s are black, aren't they? *sigh* I really would go with a white case if I could, but if I go for that X-Fi Platinum, I'd have a big ugly black thing in a drive bay. So I figured a silver case with black drives would be a nice compromise...
Also, do they include PSUs? A lot of the Antecs do.. and it's usually the SmartPower. If buying PSU separately, any reason for going with the TruePower (hey, I have one of those now.. the old 430W model) rather than the NeoPower and its 20% higher efficiency?
I'll start a separate thread in the appropriate forum asking for case ideas once I'm closer to purchasing... When is the next AMD CPU price cut scheduled for? 🙂
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