Originally posted by: VivienM
Originally posted by: slash196
Longest uptime I've ever seen on a Windoze desktop machine was on Win2K on a Dell PIII 700. Went from Labour Day (first Monday in September) to Canadian Thanksgiving (second Monday of October) without rebootingI had a laptop once sit around for about 3 months without rebooting, but it wasn't being used very much.
My P4 gaming rig (In signature) I keep running countinuously (I'd say that putting the computer in standby mode counts as continously running as well since most systems are unstable with the whole standby thing) and I had to turn off my computer a week ago since I had some updates to install but before then I hadn't technically turned off the system since july (was fiddling with hardware). And it's overclocked as well...
OK, I don't consider ECS as good as MSI, so that's why I didn't cosidered it. Any way with mark's mobo:
So Pentium D 820 system
CPU : 250 USD
MOBO: 85 USD
Memory 180 USD
Aftermarket Cooling: 50USD
Total: 565USD
X2 3800+ system
CPU: 330 USD
MOBO: 80USD
Memory: 150USD
Aftermarket Cooling: Not necessary
Total: 560.
And the 820 system is still more expensive than the X2 one.
Read the article next time. The 820 doesn't support the idling processes that every other Smithfield does. They say that themselves. More-over anyone who read intels white pages would realize that you can calculate the absolute max power consumption of a 630 @ stock to be just a hair above 98watts when every single part of it is consuming as much electricity as it possibly can. They tested it @ 129watts. This means that their testing is flawed. Better luck next time. And you go around calling fatty a fanboy.
MDE
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: VivienM
Originally posted by: slash196
Longest uptime I've ever seen on a Windoze desktop machine was on Win2K on a Dell PIII 700. Went from Labour Day (first Monday in September) to Canadian Thanksgiving (second Monday of October) without rebooting
My P4 gaming rig (In signature) I keep running countinuously (I'd say that putting the computer in standby mode counts as continously running as well since most systems are unstable with the whole standby thing) and I had to turn off my computer a week ago since I had some updates to install but before then I hadn't technically turned off the system since july (was fiddling with hardware). And it's overclocked as well...
Well my overclocked P4 file server\router has run for over a month before, and that was overclocked on stock cooling in an Antec Sonata, and with a 100% CPU load 24\7. Oh, my Dad's Athlon 64 running on an ECS board (overclocked too) has done the same thing, only in a slightly better ventilated case. The only time I reboot those machines is to install Windows patches and to blast the dust out every now and then.
are we comparing retail value, market value (how much we could get each piece for), or how much we actually paid?
because my (very lucky) price run down goes like this...
CPU : 140 USD
MOBO: 65 USD
Memory 70 USD
Aftermarket Cooling: 50USD
Total: 325USD
so in about... 8 months, i'd use up about an extra 240USD in electricity bills. score!
READ THE LOST CIRCUIT ARTICLE BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR PIE HOLE AGAIN!!!
Lithan you are quite laughable....
You link two articles and both give data that can not be accurate given the design of the processors, not to mention there being ~ 20% variance between the two. Are you even thinking before you post?
Edit: actually the 630 vs 670 compairison is showing ~ 35% variance from where it should be.
Perhaps someone who considers themselves worthy of being a mod should learn that CAPS LOCK doesn't actually obscure the fact that you're wrong at all. Also, Pm'ing people to call them idiots isn't a real good move either.
Edit: actually the 630 vs 670 compairison is showing ~ 35% variance from where it should be.
Perhaps someone who considers themselves worthy of being a mod should learn that CAPS LOCK doesn't actually obscure the fact that you're wrong at all. Also, Pm'ing people to call them idiots isn't a real good move either.
List one that contradicts it then...You some little no nothing calling them false or inaccurate is quite laughable...get some proof and prove it to me then....If not STFU!!!
Your the one who sits there and called both of them inaccurate...Where is your proof or testing to show us you are even qualified to speak or call BS on anything???
And.....Let the record show you were th efirst one to call names....quote "smart-ass".....I said what are you smoking knowing I had seen these exact reviews and never saw 1/4 to 1./5th as you stated...It is a figure of speech and you resorted to name calling and subsequently denial of said legit links yet offer nothing to discount them...
PLease spend your time looking for that proof then continuing on this pointless conversation...
Where do they differ...they are within 1 watt at idle...very neglible...
Under load they very well can differ based ion app used to load...DUH!!!!! One used S&M (the higher watt score) and we all know that is probably hands down the most stressful app around...makes prime seem like a walk in the park....
Show me wher ethey disagree then......You are not proving much, just flapping your jaw....
I WANT TO SEE 1/4TH TO 1/5TH NUMBERS.....Surely you can find your INtel PR marketing spec sheets....
Seeing as you're being so polite to me in your Pm's, calling me an idiot and telling me to shut the ****** up and all while asking for reviews that contridict the ones you posted. Well now, let's see
This one contridicts the lost circuits link; http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/pentiumd-820.html
And This one contridicts the xbit labs link; http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/p4_820/11.shtml
Oh, and this one represents an ~ 4x increase in power consumption that can be attributed to the processor when testing idle system consumption versus load; http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=pee840&page=4
So now you are saying that one of the sites isn't fully loading the processor. You do realize that you are admitting to using data you knew to be inaccurate to support your arguement by saying that don't you?
This one contridicts the lost circuits link; http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/pentiumd-820.html
And This one contridicts the xbit labs link; http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/p4_820/11.shtml
Oh, and this one represents an ~ 4x increase in power consumption that can be attributed to the processor when testing idle system consumption versus load; http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=pee840&page=4
So now you are saying that one of the sites isn't fully loading the processor. You do realize that you are admitting to using data you knew to be inaccurate to support your arguement by saying that don't you?
I am comparing NEW RETAIL PARTS. It's a shame nobody wants to get rid of their X2s for 150-200USD as they do with the crappy P-D's. 1GB of DDR2 667 decent memory for 70??, yeah in your dreams!, a mobo for 65 USD, oh I can get that too for the X2, but a 65 USD mobo would be a super crap crap mobo.
That would be a super ultra crappy config for 325USD, you get what you pay for.
Now follow me here, because this will require you to use math.
We've established that there is a 35% inaccuracy between the tests via the 630 vs 660 load temps. You blame this on differing levels of load. That means that the test on the low end of the discrepancy is reading at least 35% lower than what it should at load, but is accurate at idle.
Now we look at the 840ee tests there.
54watts idle
147.2watts load +35%, 147*1.35= 199watts load.
199/54= 3.7:1
1/3.7th or nearly 1/4th.
We've established that there is a 35% inaccuracy between the tests via the 630 vs 660 load temps. You blame this on differing levels of load. That means that the test on the low end of the discrepancy is reading at least 35% lower than what it should at load, but is accurate at idle.
Now we look at the 840ee tests there.
54watts idle
147.2watts load +35%, 147*1.35= 199watts load.
199/54= 3.7:1
1/3.7th or nearly 1/4th.
HAHAHAHAHA...So you were so lame to think those contradict...They dont...look at my reply above and they make sense....
Good try get some real proof....
Do I need to read the wjhole article or did you just link me to a page showing total system power when you blasted someone above for the same thing....Link me the direct quote or spot please...i dont hav etime to do your research for you...
Nothing on the page you linked proves you 1/4th to 1/5th point....
Math's not your strong suit I take it?
And I said you were acting like a smartass.
"What are you smoking???"
"that one is funny...Can I use that in my sig????"
Are you saying that isn't acting like a smartass?
And I said you were acting like a smartass.
"What are you smoking???"
"that one is funny...Can I use that in my sig????"
Are you saying that isn't acting like a smartass?
Spell it out for me then...I will go slowly for you.....
YOU LISTED TOTAL SYSTEMN POWER....
By the way 198/303 is 65% 1/4th would be 20%...you are the one who need the math lesson....65% would be cloeser to 2/3rds, 3/5ths, etc......
YOU LISTED TOTAL SYSTEMN POWER....
By the way 198/303 is 65% 1/4th would be 20%...you are the one who need the math lesson....65% would be cloeser to 2/3rds, 3/5ths, etc......
Please do and check your math.....
IE would be like 40 at idle and 160-200 at load....not 50 at idle and 115-130 at load....
It's called scientific reasoning. There are several methods to isolate to a fairly accurate number the cpu draw from the data given by gamepc.
Your last post about 50 and 115-130 doesn't address the fact that using your own explaination of the discrepancies in your data, I've proven that I was correct. You are in a corner. You must either admit the error of your data, which completely discredits your own point as well as forcing you to admit that you willfully used data you knew to be inaccurate. Or you must admit that a 1:3.7 ratio is correct.
I have reading for a while the discussion beetween lithan and Duvie, an lithan , I have to say, Duvie is right.
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