Just how bad is the Pentium D?

[Markfw]

Well, I have the Neo4-F and there is a whole thread on it. If it has the featureset that you like, go for it ! I think it doesn;t have firewire, but I don't need that. And some other stuff. Thats my vote.

 

[n7]

hooflung is basing his bias on the past, like so many people do.

MSI's s939 mobos have been excellent for the most part.

Asus actually makes some pretty good ones too, but they are nearly always overpriced.
Their good reputation is based in the past as far as i can see, since they haven't made a single s939 mobo worth buying IMO.

Granted, i have a bit of a dislike toward them, but i would still recommend their products if i felt they were actually a good value.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lithan
And I've got some tbirds and pally's that would disagree with you there. I've seen idling in the 60's on stock cooling with these.

Um, having been the owner of several Thunderbird and Palomino-based rigs over the years (and still owning a Thoroughbred and a Barton-based one), 60C at idle? Not that I've ever seen. Perhaps without the cooling fan?

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: Lithan
Your own sources don't agree. Maybe you should address that before you start name-calling.

Instead of the smoke and mirrors act... why don't you discredit him since what your saying IMPLIES that you have read both.

I did read both and I posted the math behind their contridiction several times now already. He made a claim, backed it up with two sources that offered disparate results, where they should have been uniform. This means that his sources are unreliable. There's nothing more to it.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Lithan
And I've got some tbirds and pally's that would disagree with you there. I've seen idling in the 60's on stock cooling with these.

Um, having been the owner of several Thunderbird and Palomino-based rigs over the years (and still owning a Thoroughbred and a Barton-based one), 60C at idle? Not that I've ever seen. Perhaps without the cooling fan?

It was using the stock cooling fan in a stock antec case with a single 80mm intake and an 80mm exhaust on the PSU. Idled typically 62*C, up to 68*C when we put several rigs in the room and heated it up. Loaded 72-77*C that I saw. I always upgraded my cooling as soon as I bought the procs, but this was pretty common among the ones I saw running stock. XP stock cooling was pretty godawful.

I recall the fan on my sk7 died once and my 1800+ hit 84*C before locking up, but I rarely broke 55*C normally. I'm pretty careful about my chips temps.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lithan
It was using the stock cooling fan in a stock antec case with a single 80mm intake and an 80mm exhaust on the PSU. Idled typically 62*C, up to 68*C when we put several rigs in the room and heated it up. Loaded 72-77*C that I saw. I always upgraded my cooling as soon as I bought the procs, but this was pretty common among the ones I saw running stock. XP stock cooling was pretty godawful.

I recall the fan on my sk7 died once and my 1800+ hit 84*C before locking up, but I rarely broke 55*C normally. I'm pretty careful about my chips temps.

Well, I never use stock cooling

I always use Swiftech MCX462 units for Socket A rigs. A typical temp profile would be idle around 30-35C and load between 48 and 52C.