Originally posted by: Ulfwald
First of all, I don't believe that Jesus made your boss lose his mind. Just the same as Jesus did not command the Pope to launch the crusades. These are choices made by man.
Now, if this man feels he owes his success in life to Jesus, then so be it, and if he wishes to publically acknowledge this by singing, or any other type of verbalization, it is his right. You don't have to listen to it.
If you want proof that God exists, think about this.
You are walking along and see a watch lying in the grass, how did it get there, who created it? Did it just appear out of thin air, no? But all the elements exist in the world for it to exist, so why can't it just be? Did the elements evolve into the watch? The answer is No, someone had to create the watch, bring all the elements together, form them into the pieces of the watch then assemble them into the final product.
Same as with the earth and all that exists on it. All the elements were there, do you think that they all came together as a coincidence? You think all the animals, plants, and other life on this planet just evolved due to happenstance? I don't think so. God had a plan, and it evolved over time, not in years or days as we measure them, but in God's time. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, a day to Him may be 1 million years to us. That would explain the actual age of the earth, why we have fossils, etc.
How can you explain 2 different cultures who tell the same story of the same time frame? Example, Noah from the Jewish Old testament, and Gilgamesh King of Uruk in Babylonia. Both tell of an epic flood, both tell of a selected family to survive and keep animals. Both tell of the vessels settling on a mountain. God does exist, and you have free choice to believe and accept him. I will not force my beliefs on anyone, but do not chastize me when I tell you of them when asked. My freedom of religion and of free speech will not be trampled on by your over senistivity to issues.
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Ulfwald
First of all, I don't believe that Jesus made your boss lose his mind. Just the same as Jesus did not command the Pope to launch the crusades. These are choices made by man.
Now, if this man feels he owes his success in life to Jesus, then so be it, and if he wishes to publically acknowledge this by singing, or any other type of verbalization, it is his right. You don't have to listen to it.
If you want proof that God exists, think about this.
You are walking along and see a watch lying in the grass, how did it get there, who created it? Did it just appear out of thin air, no? But all the elements exist in the world for it to exist, so why can't it just be? Did the elements evolve into the watch? The answer is No, someone had to create the watch, bring all the elements together, form them into the pieces of the watch then assemble them into the final product.
Same as with the earth and all that exists on it. All the elements were there, do you think that they all came together as a coincidence? You think all the animals, plants, and other life on this planet just evolved due to happenstance? I don't think so. God had a plan, and it evolved over time, not in years or days as we measure them, but in God's time. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, a day to Him may be 1 million years to us. That would explain the actual age of the earth, why we have fossils, etc.
How can you explain 2 different cultures who tell the same story of the same time frame? Example, Noah from the Jewish Old testament, and Gilgamesh King of Uruk in Babylonia. Both tell of an epic flood, both tell of a selected family to survive and keep animals. Both tell of the vessels settling on a mountain. God does exist, and you have free choice to believe and accept him. I will not force my beliefs on anyone, but do not chastize me when I tell you of them when asked. My freedom of religion and of free speech will not be trampled on by your over senistivity to issues.
Try reading 'A Brief History Of Time' by Stephen Hawking.
Or actually, don't bother. No Jesusfreak has enough brains to understand it.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Ulfwald
First of all, I don't believe that Jesus made your boss lose his mind. Just the same as Jesus did not command the Pope to launch the crusades. These are choices made by man.
Now, if this man feels he owes his success in life to Jesus, then so be it, and if he wishes to publically acknowledge this by singing, or any other type of verbalization, it is his right. You don't have to listen to it.
If you want proof that God exists, think about this.
You are walking along and see a watch lying in the grass, how did it get there, who created it? Did it just appear out of thin air, no? But all the elements exist in the world for it to exist, so why can't it just be? Did the elements evolve into the watch? The answer is No, someone had to create the watch, bring all the elements together, form them into the pieces of the watch then assemble them into the final product.
Same as with the earth and all that exists on it. All the elements were there, do you think that they all came together as a coincidence? You think all the animals, plants, and other life on this planet just evolved due to happenstance? I don't think so. God had a plan, and it evolved over time, not in years or days as we measure them, but in God's time. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, a day to Him may be 1 million years to us. That would explain the actual age of the earth, why we have fossils, etc.
How can you explain 2 different cultures who tell the same story of the same time frame? Example, Noah from the Jewish Old testament, and Gilgamesh King of Uruk in Babylonia. Both tell of an epic flood, both tell of a selected family to survive and keep animals. Both tell of the vessels settling on a mountain. God does exist, and you have free choice to believe and accept him. I will not force my beliefs on anyone, but do not chastize me when I tell you of them when asked. My freedom of religion and of free speech will not be trampled on by your over senistivity to issues.
Try reading 'A Brief History Of Time' by Stephen Hawking.
Or actually, don't bother. No Jesusfreak has enough brains to understand it.
I can't believe this thread is still going...
I've read "A Brief History of Time" sir, and I found it quite interesting. Dr. Hawking wrote that book in such a way that even a layman with a modest understanding of physics and the capacity to think could understand the theories contained within. I'm a "Jesus Freak". According to you one of my two previous statements must be false. While there's no way for me to prove to you that I've read the book (not over the internet anyway) I think I can safely say I've proven my devotion to Yeshua HaMashiach "Jesus".
Please refrain from making such foolish statements in the future, they don't do anyone any good. It's borderline idiotic for you to say that "all Jesus Freaks are idiots." I'm sure you've heard of C.S. Lewis, Thomas More, Galileo Galilei, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr., and Thomas Aquinas (among countless others). Would you say these people were idiots because they were "Jesus Freaks"?
I also find it ironic that you appear to be using "A Brief History of Time" as proof there is no G-d when even Dr. Hawking professes his belief in a "greater power" in said book. Have YOU read this book? Perhaps you just glossed over that part... It was at the end
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Ulfwald
First of all, I don't believe that Jesus made your boss lose his mind. Just the same as Jesus did not command the Pope to launch the crusades. These are choices made by man.
Now, if this man feels he owes his success in life to Jesus, then so be it, and if he wishes to publically acknowledge this by singing, or any other type of verbalization, it is his right. You don't have to listen to it.
If you want proof that God exists, think about this.
You are walking along and see a watch lying in the grass, how did it get there, who created it? Did it just appear out of thin air, no? But all the elements exist in the world for it to exist, so why can't it just be? Did the elements evolve into the watch? The answer is No, someone had to create the watch, bring all the elements together, form them into the pieces of the watch then assemble them into the final product.
Same as with the earth and all that exists on it. All the elements were there, do you think that they all came together as a coincidence? You think all the animals, plants, and other life on this planet just evolved due to happenstance? I don't think so. God had a plan, and it evolved over time, not in years or days as we measure them, but in God's time. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, a day to Him may be 1 million years to us. That would explain the actual age of the earth, why we have fossils, etc.
How can you explain 2 different cultures who tell the same story of the same time frame? Example, Noah from the Jewish Old testament, and Gilgamesh King of Uruk in Babylonia. Both tell of an epic flood, both tell of a selected family to survive and keep animals. Both tell of the vessels settling on a mountain. God does exist, and you have free choice to believe and accept him. I will not force my beliefs on anyone, but do not chastize me when I tell you of them when asked. My freedom of religion and of free speech will not be trampled on by your over senistivity to issues.
Try reading 'A Brief History Of Time' by Stephen Hawking.
Or actually, don't bother. No Jesusfreak has enough brains to understand it.
I can't believe this thread is still going...
I've read "A Brief History of Time" sir, and I found it quite interesting. Dr. Hawking wrote that book in such a way that even a layman with a modest understanding of physics and the capacity to think could understand the theories contained within. I'm a "Jesus Freak". According to you one of my two previous statements must be false. While there's no way for me to prove to you that I've read the book (not over the internet anyway) I think I can safely say I've proven my devotion to Yeshua HaMashiach "Jesus".
Please refrain from making such foolish statements in the future, they don't do anyone any good. It's borderline idiotic for you to say that "all Jesus Freaks are idiots." I'm sure you've heard of C.S. Lewis, Thomas More, Galileo Galilei, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr., and Thomas Aquinas (among countless others). Would you say these people were idiots because they were "Jesus Freaks"?
I also find it ironic that you appear to be using "A Brief History of Time" as proof there is no G-d when even Dr. Hawking professes his belief in a "greater power" in said book. Have YOU read this book? Perhaps you just glossed over that part... It was at the end
And where did he say that the universe was created by a god and was 5k years old?
I also believe we are not the smartest or strongest species around, but that's because I believe in life evolving in multiple starsystems.
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Why replace the o in God? I know the reasoning behind it, but God's name is not God. "God" is an English word created many years after that commandment was written. Same reason people shouldn't worry about saying "Oh my God". It's not taking his name in vain. Do you spell Lord "L-rd"? God's name is pronounced Yah-Weh, and I don't believe has a proper spelling. The commandment was to prevent people from calling on God (or "using his name") for vain purposes, like praying for the Knicks to win.
I'm a Christian, but always thought that was dumb.
Originally posted by: hjo3
Flyermax2k3:
> Yeshua HaMashiach "Jesus"
WTF is a yesha hamasha?
Originally posted by: hjo3
Hebrew isn't English, you uppity turd. If you had been trying to properly convey that Yesha-whatever means Jesus, you should have used parentheses, not quotation marks. Fsckwad.
God, you're problem isn't so much that you're an over-zealous fundamentalist "Christian," as that you're just a rude prick.
Originally posted by: hjo3
The TLA "AKA" is used for a reason. If it was automatically implied every time one uses quotation marks, as you've erroneously assumed, it wouldn't be necessary, would it?
Besides, someone who can't even spell "Lord" or "God" correctly probably shouldn't be lecturing people on how to use the English language.
Originally posted by: MAME
Why is it so hard for religious people to comprehend the world as we know it now coming from a big bang yet have no problem at all of a god existing all along? It's something from nothing in both cases...in fact, since we are not as powerful as god, it would seem as if not having a god is more logical. Of course no religion has even been based on logic.
Originally posted by: fatbaby
g--d G-d c-n't w- j-st -cc-pt th-t -th-r p--pl- h-v- d-ff-r-nt b-l--fs th-n -th-rs -nd th-t n- m-tt-r h-w h-rd y-- -rg--, th-y w-ll st-ll h-v- th- s-m- b-l--fs...th-s -s - p--ntl-ss b-ttl-...
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: fatbaby
g--d G-d c-n't w- j-st -cc-pt th-t -th-r p--pl- h-v- d-ff-r-nt b-l--fs th-n -th-rs -nd th-t n- m-tt-r h-w h-rd y-- -rg--, th-y w-ll st-ll h-v- th- s-m- b-l--fs...th-s -s - p--ntl-ss b-ttl-...
Is there a point to your mockery or are you just trying to be a smartass? I've already explained my beliefs regarding the removal of vowels from the names of G-d. Mock me all you like, I'm not going to change my beliefs because a bunch of pagans on some intarnet forum mock me for it.
Originally posted by: MAME
I understand entropy, this is not what I was referring to. Perhaps this will clear it up:
Where did everything come from?
Well there's really only 2 opinions right now:
1) Matter has always existed
2) God created everything (and has alwasys existed)
Now why is it so easy for religious people to accept #2 yet think #1 is impossible? They are essentially the same exact thing.
And Flyer, just by curiousity, don't you feel bad picking 1 religion and ignoring the other 999?
Originally posted by: luv2chill
Flyermax2k3-- geez man you need to let go. Fighting with everyone on this forum is pointless. Go get drunk like you did a few days ago. I'm sure G-d has no problem with that
l2c