Jesus has made my boss lose his mind

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Just cause he doesn't read his own 'holy book' doesn't mean you guys have to be so harsh on him all the time. Pity him for thinking the Jews are wrong in following the rules/laws of the OT, about which Jesus said he had not come to change them, but to enforce them. Everyone knows that means that Christians can do whatever the hell they want to do, rather than following the laws Jesus followed.

And why is it so hard to understand the 'in vain' part? Should the Bible to your opinion refrain from ever writing out a title of god? Is the use of a full title like 'lord' in the Bible using his name in vain? Do you mock him with that? If not, why do you claim anything else you say with his name in it will mock him? (Unless you don't really believe of course)
Can you mock Jesus by using his full name instead?

Are you referring to me with the above? This part was utter nonsense: "Pity him for thinking the Jews are wrong in following the rules/laws of the OT, about which Jesus said he had not come to change them, but to enforce them. Everyone knows that means that Christians can do whatever the hell they want to do, rather than following the laws Jesus followed.." You have no idea what my practices are nor what the whole of my beliefs are. I have stated *many* times on these forums my belief in following the Mosaic Law and have even quoted the exact passage you are referring to. Matthew 5:17-18 "17 Think not
that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fufilled."
Do *you* understand what "in vain" means? I have already explained what it means in previous posts, perhaps you should go look it up...

 

[hjo3]

luv2chill:
> Flyermax2k3-- geez man you need to let go.

Flyermax2k3:
> what gives you the right to criticize and condemn me?

Telling someone they need settle down is hardly condemnation. You really need to get out of this "I'm-a-victim" rut.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: hjo3
luv2chill:
> Flyermax2k3-- geez man you need to let go.

Flyermax2k3:
> what gives you the right to criticize and condemn me?

Telling someone they need settle down is hardly condemnation. You really need to get out of this "I'm-a-victim" rut.

Nice taking that statement out of context... It was the latter half of his message that offended me, not the first part. The sole purpose of the sarcastic statement "go get drunk like you did a few days ago" was to offend. Taken in context this is a condemning remark.
Why did you respond to my post anyway? It was a direct response to luv2chill's offensive comments.

 

[hjo3]

> The sole purpose of the sarcastic statement "go get drunk like you did a few days ago" was to offend. Taken in context this is a condemning remark.

Condemn: to express strong disapproval. That's the only definition of the word that would seem appropriate in this (to use one of your favorite words: ) context. I don't think he was "expressing strong disapproval" of you. He suggested you go get drunk as you're apparently wont to doing.

> Why did you respond to my post anyway?

Because you misinterpreted what he was saying.

For the record, I think this is a lot more "condemning" than what luv2chill said:

"For some reason I don't think you're without sin ..."

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: fatbaby

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: fatbaby g--d G-d c-n't w- j-st -cc-pt th-t -th-r p--pl- h-v- d-ff-r-nt b-l--fs th-n -th-rs -nd th-t n- m-tt-r h-w h-rd y-- -rg--, th-y w-ll st-ll h-v- th- s-m- b-l--fs...th-s -s - p--ntl-ss b-ttl-...

Is there a point to your mockery or are you just trying to be a smartass? I've already explained my beliefs regarding the removal of vowels from the names of G-d. Mock me all you like, I'm not going to change my beliefs because a bunch of pagans on some intarnet forum mock me for it.

-'m n-t m-ck-ng y--, -'m j-st s-y-ng th-t -ll th-s r-l-g--s/-nt- r-l-g--s bs s-lv-s n-th-ng... - n-v-r t-ld y-- t- ch-ng- y--r b-l--fs.

Ok... th-s sh-t -s g-tt-ng f-ck-ng -nn-y-ng. BUY SOME VOWELS you f-ckt-rd.

 

[MAME]

Religon is the absence of logic.
There's nothing wrong with your religion Flyer, just as long as you realize that it's just as valid as the other 1,000 or so recognized religions.
So please do not think less of anyone who does not agree with you, which is pretty much impossible for any Christain.

 

[MAME]

Religion is the absence of logic.
There's nothing wrong with your religion Flyer, just as long as you realize that it's just as valid as the other 1,000 or so recognized religions.
So please do not think less of anyone who does not agree with you, which is pretty much impossible for any Christain.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: hjo3
> The sole purpose of the sarcastic statement "go get drunk like you did a few days ago" was to offend. Taken in context this is a condemning remark.

Condemn: to express strong disapproval. That's the only definition of the word that would seem appropriate in this (to use one of your favorite words: ) context. I don't think he was "expressing strong disapproval" of you. He suggested you go get drunk as you're apparently wont to doing.

> Why did you respond to my post anyway?

Because you misinterpreted what he was saying.

For the record, I think this is a lot more "condemning" than what luv2chill said:

"For some reason I don't think you're without sin ..."

My point was that his comments were dripping with sarcasm and hate. If that's not condemnation then it's close enough.
My "without sin" comment is dead-on. This is not a condemnation, anyone who thinks they are without sin is a liar and a fool. You show me a man who is without sin and I'll show you Yeshua HaMashiach.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I am not a very religious person (or "Christian" as you Christians like to say). But I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs/idolizations/etc.

My boss is one of the Born Again people...or as he likes to say "SAVED." He says he can't be "born again" b/c Jesus only lets you be born once. WTF ever.

My boss "got saved" about 18 years ago...he used to be "a sinner" as he so loves to say it.

but he pretty much has stopped trying to save me, etc b/c I told him that it offends me. I was being very nice about it.

When you ask him how he's doing today/tonight he always says "I'm blessed." What the fvck ever, man; I've gotten used to it. But now he's gone too far...Jesus has brainwashed him.

We sat down to eat about an hour ago. Instead of quietly praying to himself (saying grace) like he always does, he started singing:

Thank you Jesus! For all you do! I'm so grateful you do what you do! Thank you Lord, for this food!

And a few other lines I don't remember. It was just he and I at our table. The whole room just stared. I wanted to die. At least he didn't start waving his hands in the air and shaking a tambourine or some sht like that.

I really don't want to eat with him anymore...but it's kind of habit...we usually do breakfast and lunch together...it sure doesn't hurt come Review time.

But this is getting ridiculous. How do I stop this inappropriate behavior? Smack him? Electrocute him? Throw goat's blood on him? If you worship blown lightbulbs as your God, good for you; I'm happy for you. Just dont' let your belief infringe on my personal space, OK? :|

heres what i would do, have a sense of humor and bring a tambourine and start using it next time he breaks out in that stuff, and heres the kicker, after its over you have to say. "damn right man, amen" then start eating.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: MAME
Religon is the absence of logic.
There's nothing wrong with your religion Flyer, just as long as you realize that it's just as valid as the other 1,000 or so recognized religions.
So please do not think less of anyone who does not agree with you, which is pretty much impossible for any Christain.

Why should I accept anyone else's religion? No one is forced to accept mine, so why should I be forced to accept theirs? Yet another double-standard the secular mainstream tries to enforce upon Christians.
"Religion is the opiate of the masses" "Religion is the absence of logic" "rabble rabble rabble"
Statements that allow non-believers to justify their lack of faith and sleep comfortably.
I'm sure you'll say the exact same thing about religion. Which is fine. If you don't have faith in anything then why are you still alive? Seriously, what's the point of living if there's no purpose for your life?

 

[MAME]

Animals don't go to heaven (according to you I'm sure), so why should they live?

 

[hjo3]

Flyermax2k3:
> My "without sin" comment is dead-on. This is not a condemnation, anyone who thinks they are without sin is a liar and a fool.

But you didn't say "no one is without sin." You said you didn't think he was without sin. Your petty jab, via implication, is clear.

It's amazing that you can read so much "condemnation" into his post, complain about it, then turn around and do the exact same thing to him without seeming to realize it.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: MAME
Animals don't go to heaven (according to you I'm sure), so why should they live?

Animals have neither intelligence nor a soul. Animals were put on this earth to serve man and to provide sustenance. Genesis 1:26 says "And G-d said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: hjo3
Flyermax2k3:
> My "without sin" comment is dead-on. This is not a condemnation, anyone who thinks they are without sin is a liar and a fool.

But you didn't say "no one is without sin." You said you didn't think he was without sin. Your petty jab, via implication, is clear.

It's amazing that you can read so much "condemnation" into his post, complain about it, then turn around and do the exact same thing to him without seeming to realize it.

Read into my statements what you like. I can't change your opinion of me or my beliefs nor do I have any desire to do so. I have no ill-will against you and wish you luck in your life's journeys.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: MAME
Animals don't go to heaven (according to you I'm sure), so why should they live?

Animals have neither intelligence nor a soul.

Whoa! right there!!!!

some animals have intelligence coming close to human.

I am not saying the smart ones or even average...but I'd bet higher than some average individuals.

I am willing to bet our opposible thumb and fingers gave us alot of advantages.

However....how are you measuring? Many creatures have a *perfect* life....there is no need for advancement or retreat.

When you do not have the perfect life is when you start to shake the bone bag and throw them.....

I can't comment on a *soul* since I haven't found mine yet....but I really don't think if there was a God of any sort he'd say ok all you on the left proceed to dev null, all you on the right enter heaven.

Especially if you consider for some people heaven would not be heaven at all without their pet.

 

[hjo3]

Flyermax2k3:
> I can't change your opinion of me or my beliefs nor do I have any desire to do so.

What, you don't want to convert me? Is it not written: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2) ?

And: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19-20)

Tch, tch, a good Christian would be evangelizing me.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
It's borderline idiotic for you to say that "all Jesus Freaks are idiots." I'm sure you've heard of C.S. Lewis, Thomas More, Galileo Galilei, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr., and Thomas Aquinas (among countless others). Would you say these people were idiots because they were "Jesus Freaks"?

I am not saying anyone is right or wrong..however I will say all those listed above listened to the counterpoint and considered it. I am also sure that all of them, like me, believed 'ok there is a God(s)....but I need to think about this more'.

It's a complicated matter....most people just want to say "YES PRAISE JESUS" or "GOD IS NOTHING MORE THAN A FUSION/FISSION REACTION".......they don't think abstractly.

Outside of whether there is a God, Gods or not: you have ok so now what book is right.

It's sort of a tricky affair, since like all the languages in the world there is a lot of common ground in any *BOOK*.

ok now the book is established....now how do I know it wasn't tampered with along the way (most people can't grasp this concept since they think in today terms, were a counterfeit book would be easy to spot).

So now let's just say, you have a God, you have a Book, you have weeded it down to an untampered edition....

now do the stories match up....if someone was said to be poor in one chapter, but 10 chapters later having a huge wedding with wines, foods, and tons of people does that make sense.

now what about events...if you timeline each sequence over others are there problems with someone being in two places at the same time or not even born or already decessed.

I am a scientist and also believe someone or something may have created this all.

I am researching the Emerald Tablets, Le Serpent Rouge, Templars, Free Masons, the similarity of the Temple of Solomon and the Great Pyramid, Oak Island, Sion, Skull and Bones, the Council of Foreign Affiars (one thing is definite on this it is *not* a government agency), Camelot, Princess Di, Da Vinci, Et Ego Arcania, Possible cloning happening in the past already with the 'mind' transfering with it (Troth/Emerald Tablets), the Rothchilds.....

There is also the HAARP project, Kennedy's $2 bills being replaced with 'new' $2 bills after his assassination (this can be easily verified and proves to be wierd since a currency change is expensive)....

Tons of other stuff....I hear something I research it out....sometimes the end is quick and obvious and sometimes an enigma. The main thing you have to look at is "Ok, here is a powerful family, they control much.....then they just disappear, why???"

One thing I do know is people buy into things but also buy out once proof is presented....so if some 'story' persists and there isn't alot of naysayers....you may be on to something.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Animals have neither intelligence nor a soul. Animals were put on this earth to serve man and to provide sustenance. Genesis 1:26 says "And G-d said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

That is true, If and only If the original texts were not changed.....however probably not an issue in this case.

Still, even if there is a God, G-d, Elohim, etc....does that say his other creations are not granted admittance to Heaven?

Silly Humans like to think they are special and get special privledges...this is the whole VIP room concept....exclusion makes me important.

In those words, God gave humans the ability to excel beyond animals (which is true whether or not there is a G-d/God/etc)...

However, that does not say just because we are 'all that and a bag of chips' we are the only ones getting into heaven......or have a soul.

If any intelligent person considers (however so far from the real unimaginable truth) that they are God or a God:

1) Would you make your creation able to evolve?

2) Would you make certain things sacreligous?

3) etc.

If I were God, I think I'd seriously start over.

 

[alkemyst]

Sorry one more thing I'd like to add.

Religion is flawed via the fact that your religion and about 9 million other things are forced upon you as a child. You have no free-will on this and even worse these things become concrete and unbending....no matter what proof you see otherwise you will instill your original beliefs.

To truly believe one has to forfeit any religion, any book, any holy man and think what is out there and how did it come to be. Why do the Jews, Christians, and Muslims have so many common beliefs and at the same time so many opposite ones.

To truly believe one has to have an absolute understanding of history.....this is absolutely true. This is the hardest road since Kings and Queens changed history at their whim...this is something many do not understand/cannot grasp.

To truly believe one has to have an absolute understanding of all alternatives and see each one through until discredit can be said. Otherwise it is *blind faith*

I can continue.....


I do believe there is a Creator, I also believe his *story* has been fuxored beyond comprehension.

 

[EXman]

omG let it rest

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: hjo3
Flyermax2k3:
> I can't change your opinion of me or my beliefs nor do I have any desire to do so.

What, you don't want to convert me? Is it not written: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2) ?

And: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19-20)

Tch, tch, a good Christian would be evangelizing me.

ROFLMAO!!!! I have done nothing but reprove, rebuke, and exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine!!! I stick to my guns in every single post I make. I quote scripture when I believe it to be appropriate but I'm not going to sit here and preach constantly to a bunch of pagans. As I've stated before: I do my preaching in person.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Animals have neither intelligence nor a soul. Animals were put on this earth to serve man and to provide sustenance. Genesis 1:26 says "And G-d said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

That is true, If and only If the original texts were not changed.....however probably not an issue in this case.

Still, even if there is a God, G-d, Elohim, etc....does that say his other creations are not granted admittance to Heaven?

Silly Humans like to think they are special and get special privledges...this is the whole VIP room concept....exclusion makes me important.

In those words, God gave humans the ability to excel beyond animals (which is true whether or not there is a G-d/God/etc)...

However, that does not say just because we are 'all that and a bag of chips' we are the only ones getting into heaven......or have a soul.

If any intelligent person considers (however so far from the real unimaginable truth) that they are God or a God:

1) Would you make your creation able to evolve?

2) Would you make certain things sacreligous?

3) etc.

If I were God, I think I'd seriously start over.

Please show me the scripture that states G-d gave animals a soul. You can't because there is no such passage. G-d gave man dominion over the earth and all it's creatures because *man* was created in G-d's image, not animals. Sorry, you're not going to win this one... Believe what you want to but the Bible is quite clear on this issue.

 

[hjo3]

Oh, okay. I must have missed the verse where it says "But verily, the Lord sayeth that you don't need to follow his word on the web. In person: yea. Elsewhere: ehh, Jesus doesn't care. Sin up a storm."

FYI, I'm not a pagan.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Sorry one more thing I'd like to add.

Religion is flawed via the fact that your religion and about 9 million other things are forced upon you as a child. You have no free-will on this and even worse these things become concrete and unbending....no matter what proof you see otherwise you will instill your original beliefs.

To truly believe one has to forfeit any religion, any book, any holy man and think what is out there and how did it come to be. Why do the Jews, Christians, and Muslims have so many common beliefs and at the same time so many opposite ones.

To truly believe one has to have an absolute understanding of history.....this is absolutely true. This is the hardest road since Kings and Queens changed history at their whim...this is something many do not understand/cannot grasp.

To truly believe one has to have an absolute understanding of all alternatives and see each one through until discredit can be said. Otherwise it is *blind faith*

I can continue.....


I do believe there is a Creator, I also believe his *story* has been fuxored beyond comprehension.

*My* "religion" is not flawed because I have no religion other than to say that I am a Christian, but not in the modern sense. I do not attend church because I believe the modern church is corrupt and a tool of Satan. Pagan practices such as worship of images, abandonment of the Sabbath, preaching of only selected "palatable" portions of the Bible, etc. are proof of the church's apostasy. If I had a religion I guess it could be summed up by the following few passages of scripture:
John 14:6 "6 I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the F-ther but by me."
John 11:25-26 "25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
Matthew 5:17-18 "17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
I believe in the word of G-d. All of it. No one is saved but by the grace of G-d through salvation in Yeshua HaMashiach.
This is my statement of faith. Ridicule me, mock me - it makes no difference to me. Yeshua said in Matthew 5:10-11 "10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
I could keep this up all night if it were not for the fact that it's late and I need to be up in another 4 hours... So with that I shall bid you adieu.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: hjo3
Oh, okay. I must have missed the verse where it says "But verily, the Lord sayeth that you don't need to follow his word on the web. In person: yea. Elsewhere: ehh, Jesus doesn't care. Sin up a storm."

FYI, I'm not a pagan.

See my previous post. And yes, you are a pagan. Unless you wish to come out and announce your faith in Christ and admit he is your savior, you are a pagan in my eyes.