i haven't said it to an orthodox jew but another who was doing it. it's ridiculous. get over yourself
Oh, well that explains everything... Is that a Satanic Bible by any chance? (j/k, I'm sure it's not) Seriously though, care to quote specific verses that agree with what you stated earlier? Until then you're just talking out your rear... Saying something is true does not make it so.
Originally posted by: conjur
By Jove, I think he's beginning to see the light!!
That's not the first time I've said that in this thread. I've also stated many times that what I post reflects my beliefs - I've never said they are absolute undeniable truth and that everyone must accept them. You appear to have inferred that into my comments however. For the millionth time: you're free to think and do as you wish. I know I can't change that, and I'm not trying to. I'm simply stating my opinion.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
By Jove, I think he's beginning to see the light!!
That's not the first time I've said that in this thread. I've also stated many times that what I post reflects my beliefs - I've never said they are absolute undeniable truth and that everyone must accept them. You appear to have inferred that into my comments however. For the millionth time: you're free to think and do as you wish. I know I can't change that, and I'm not trying to. I'm simply stating my opinion.
and in the meantime pointing out that we will suffer for all eternity for not sharing your opinion
I am a "born-again" Christian, but I think these guys are freaking hilarious. They try to shove their beliefs down someone throat, and then they wonder why people treat them weird. Instead of acting like a bunch of b*ttholes, they should really get a reality check. That Gestapo crap never worked... not in the Crusades, not now. It is just a ploy for them to feel good about themselves, and think that they are doing the "right" thing, and that every Christian that doesn't act like them is doing the wrong thing. Bunch of idiots, who like to carry the Bible like a leather bat or something to that nature. Hey, it isn't just you "Heathens" j/k... that get annoyed with these idiots.
j/k... that get annoyed with these idiots.Not that being open about what you believe, especially if you know it is true is bad... But shoving it down peoples throat was never the way to do it. There is a difference between being open about your beliefes and forcing someone to hear your opinions. Sharing is fine, but not being sensitive about issues and forcing your beliefs down someones throat is never fine. IMHO.
To Flyermax... that is a whole different religious thread. What the poster was talking about was "religious" zealots (that includes atheists and Christians...) who try to force their beliefs on other people. Obviously this guys' boss was intentionally praying and singing aloud to "share" his faith. It isn't sharing his faith. It is intentionally forcing someone to listen to your beliefs. He may do this in a non-aggressive manner, but it is still forced.
I do agree with you Flyermax though on this post, it is hypocritical, but that arguement is totally off topic.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
I was really involved in religion due to my ex wife. I have found most of the 'saved'/'born agains' always brag how bad they used to be, but have now 'seen the light'.
Almost all of these guys would tell my wife (girlfriend) at the time how I was no good, a sinner, and how they know since they were there once. The funny thing is they just wanted to bang her themselves....some holy guys they were....
On top of that, I have a pretty great memory....most of these guys would contradict themselves constantly forgetting who they told what too and what they have done and didn't do....or have some other story come out that made their claims false.
Religion is a great thing, but many use it to make themselves appear better than others.
Those that sing or pray loud are not being fair to other's, almost every religion states one should keep to themselves and not 'preach' or try to convert. Offering good advice and mentioning God or the Mountain King as their Father and advisor is ok....but it becomes the same as saying my Armani suit and Johnson and Murphy shoes are so much greater than your 'Department store' blazer/pants and 'discount' shoes.
The funny part in this is I am rather crazy and if I get preached to enough, I will become God and start talking as 'You are very right, my son, but I do not want you sharing our secret with all these heathens...."
heheeheh
On the contrary man, I am a "born again" Christian, but I was raised up right and have always been pretty well liked. I grew up being taught to treat other people the same way you would treat yourself. I never was a bad kid. Almost never got in trouble. I have known people who became Christians and did have a 180 turnaround, but I think it depends on the person. Everyone is different.
"Religion is a great thing, but many use it to make themselves appear better than others." I totally agree... and it is very sad that it is that way.
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
By Jove, I think he's beginning to see the light!!
That's not the first time I've said that in this thread. I've also stated many times that what I post reflects my beliefs - I've never said they are absolute undeniable truth and that everyone must accept them. You appear to have inferred that into my comments however. For the millionth time: you're free to think and do as you wish. I know I can't change that, and I'm not trying to. I'm simply stating my opinion.
and in the meantime pointing out that we will suffer for all eternity for not sharing your opinion
Can you give me an example of this? Nowhere in this thread have I damned or condemned anyone. I am not your judge.
Originally posted by: herme5
I am a "born-again" Christian, but I think these guys are freaking hilarious. They try to shove their beliefs down someone throat, and then they wonder why people treat them weird. Instead of acting like a bunch of b*ttholes, they should really get a reality check. That Gestapo crap never worked... not in the Crusades, not now. It is just a ploy for them to feel good about themselves, and think that they are doing the "right" thing, and that every Christian that doesn't act like them is doing the wrong thing. Bunch of idiots, who like to carry the Bible like a leather bat or something to that nature. Hey, it isn't just you "Heathens"
Now you are a Christian I can respect.
LOL, this is the off topic forum, is it not? I realize what the original poster was talking about, but this thread has degenerated into personal attacks and flames and name-calling. I was trying to combat this without doing the same.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
You didn't actually read this thread, did you?Originally posted by: cr4zymofoshow me your evidence then!?!Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3Wow! This post was so well-thought-out that I've decided to give up my "believes." Look at all the wonderful evidence you've presented to backup your statements! Thank you for showing me the light!
Yes, I actually read this thread (boy, work is fun). But all I saw was blah, blah, blah, regardless of the view. I WANT EVIDENCE. Since you're the one that mock my statements about not having back ups, what about yours? Without solid evidence, your statements are just as valid as mines, and all that they are, just BS.
Lemme tell you something, I belief in karma before I'd believe in anything else. And I'll prove it to you.
I think everyone on this thread owes a great big apology to the poor rolling-eyes smiley guy for all the abuse and overuse he's taken here.
You all oughtta be ashamed of yourselves! Now apologize to the little guy right now!
...oh, by the way...
You all oughtta be ashamed of yourselves! Now apologize to the little guy right now!
...oh, by the way...
Aren't you the same guy who deliberately enjoys playing your Home Theater LOUDLY regardless of whether it pisses off your neighbor? Pot, meet kettle.
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
So he was chained to the chair? No, get up and walk out and don't go to lunch with him again if its such a problem.
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
So he was chained to the chair? No, get up and walk out and don't go to lunch with him again if its such a problem.
And raise the potential of being fired or otherwise treated poorly in the workforce?
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
Don't you hate it when your boss kidnaps you to take you out to breakfast/lunch and then chains you to a chair and forces you to listen to him sing while holding a gun to your head? Oh, wait, that never happened....
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
So he was chained to the chair? No, get up and walk out and don't go to lunch with him again if its such a problem.
Sounds good. Mind if I come into your workplace's lunchroom and blast some music? You like Deicide?
Blame it on God
Bastards of Christ
Serpents of the Light
- M4H
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: MichaelD
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Like you said, its america, we are both free to choose what we wish. Let the man sing if he wants to and stop contradicting yourself. Enough said.
Bah, that doesn' t even qualify you for the "nice try!" club.
When you singing about God, or washing your car or walking your dog interferes with someone else's way of life or quality of life, then it's a PROBLEM.
You obviously didn't have the attention span to read my entire post. You know...the thing this thread is about? Now go read "Participating in threads: A quality approach. 101" and submit your report NLT close of business tomorrow.
Sorry for the late response on this, but i did in fact read it (for a second time mind you)... I have yet to see, aside from you being embarrassed, how he forced YOU to do anything. Did he force you to close your eyes and bow your head for a moment of silence or something? Did he force you to say a prayer? Did he chain you to his car and drag you to church?
So to go back to my previous point, you mentioned Its america and we are all free to do as we wish. That includes you not going to lunch with him if you are embarrassed.
He was forced to sit and be subjected to ridiculous behaviour and what was tantamount to preaching.
So he was chained to the chair? No, get up and walk out and don't go to lunch with him again if its such a problem.
And raise the potential of being fired or otherwise treated poorly in the workforce?
You wouldn't have to go about it in a offensive way. You could just plainly explain to your boss that you wish to stay at work and eat your lunch there to 'save money'. Much like if my close friends went to lunch everyday and smoke marijuana, would I continue to go with them even though I feel strongly against that behaviour? No. They are my friends and I understand you can't just say 'Hey, I'm not going to go to lunch with you anymore' but there are ways around those types of circumstances.
He's not forcing you to do it so I would just let him be. We don't have the right not to be offended, let him be him and you go about being you. I don't see what the big deal is.
Reminds me of a time I took my oldest daughter to a Christian private school for an Open House to see what they offered (a friend of hers went there and it's actually a good school).Originally posted by: MichaelD
Listen up, monkey-boy....
Come on, man, think for YOURSELF. You earn that money. Jesus doens't "let you" do anything. You are FREE, not a puppet. Oh, but I know. Jesus gave you the will to choose too, right?And therefore you and my boss close the loop w/your line of thinking.
It's a perfect scenario, really; you have the answer for EVERYTHING that way.
I will not debate on Creationism vs. The Big Bang theory, but if you think that one day there was nothing, then suddenly God got bored and made it all in six days, then you're no more intelligent than the monkey's we decended from. Of course, I'm sure God put all those same DNA strands in both sets of animal just to "test your faith."
But hey, it's America and we are both FREE to choose what we wish.
Anyway, we're there and the principal is giving a speech about what she is trying to accomplish in teaching the children. She gave the example of having a group of 5th graders cleaning up trash along the ground and saying that people driving by would see that and think, "Wow, that's great! Look at those kids caring for the environment." She said she would rather have people drive by and think, "Wow, that's great! Look at those kids cleaning the ground because of their love for their God."
The whole place had this cultish feeling...I felt very uneasy there.
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