newnameman
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Hey, could we see if we can resolve this now?
I think Mill should give it a try, although nothing will probably come of it, but just see if going higher up will help.
I believe he was wrong in this, but I can see why he is upset over it. I'm glad to see he's not one of these that just accepts everything given to him and doesn't ever try to change it.
Lets try to not keep debating about the english language. After all remember the Colorado University person who said that c_nt could be used as a sign of affection? The American english is far too volatile to be construed based on a dictionary definition. Remember bad meaning good and so on and so forth.
I am only posting in hopes that I can try to get you people to not be at each other's throats.
I think Mill should give it a try, although nothing will probably come of it, but just see if going higher up will help.
I believe he was wrong in this, but I can see why he is upset over it. I'm glad to see he's not one of these that just accepts everything given to him and doesn't ever try to change it.
Lets try to not keep debating about the english language. After all remember the Colorado University person who said that c_nt could be used as a sign of affection? The American english is far too volatile to be construed based on a dictionary definition. Remember bad meaning good and so on and so forth.
I am only posting in hopes that I can try to get you people to not be at each other's throats.
dumb - O.E. dumb "silent, unable to speak," from PIE *dheubh- "confusion, stupefaction, dizziness." O.E., Goth. (thumb) and O.N. (dumbr) forms meant only "mute, speechless;" in O.H.G. (thumb) it meant both this and "stupid," and in Mod.Ger. this latter became the only sense. Meaning "foolish, ignorant" was occasionally in Eng. from c.1323, but modern use (1823) comes from infl. of Ger. dumm. Applied to silent contrivances, hence dumbwaiter (1749). To dumb down is from 1933.
ignorante (abecedarian, addled, clodhopper, dunce, foolish, ignoramus, ill-informed, illiterate, impolite, nescient, rude, stupid, uneducated, unillumined, uninformed, unknowable). (various references)
You are telling me that a word that close to ignorant(in italian) had no bearing on our ignorant? They are VERY similar. I'm stills searching for more sources.
idiot - c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own."
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." [Mark Twain, c.1882]
slang:
numb as a hake adj. (Maine) Stupid, ignorant, insensitive {thick as pig shit}.
Way back in the beginning, the Romans had a word for it -- "nescius," which in Latin means "not knowing" or, more bluntly, "ignorant." The French turned "nescius" into "nice," and used it to mean "stupid or simpleminded," and it was this sense that was first carried into English. But by the fourteenth century "nice" had acquired another meaning, that of "wanton or lascivious," so when Chaucer referred to a young woman as "nice," he meant nearly the opposite of what we would mean today.
Do you see what I'm getting at? They are used very similar in other languages and carried over into English.
Entry: idiot
Function: noun
Definition: stupid
Synonyms: ass, blockhead, boob, booby, cretin, dimwit, donkey, dork, dumb ox, dumbbell, dunce, dunderhead, fool, halfwit, ignoramus, imbecile, jackass, jerk, kook, meathead, mental defective, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, pinhead, pointy head, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit, yo-yo
Concept: ignorance
See. Stupidity and ignorance are both words used to describe similar things.
ignorante (abecedarian, addled, clodhopper, dunce, foolish, ignoramus, ill-informed, illiterate, impolite, nescient, rude, stupid, uneducated, unillumined, uninformed, unknowable). (various references)
You are telling me that a word that close to ignorant(in italian) had no bearing on our ignorant? They are VERY similar. I'm stills searching for more sources.
idiot - c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own."
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." [Mark Twain, c.1882]
slang:
numb as a hake adj. (Maine) Stupid, ignorant, insensitive {thick as pig shit}.
Way back in the beginning, the Romans had a word for it -- "nescius," which in Latin means "not knowing" or, more bluntly, "ignorant." The French turned "nescius" into "nice," and used it to mean "stupid or simpleminded," and it was this sense that was first carried into English. But by the fourteenth century "nice" had acquired another meaning, that of "wanton or lascivious," so when Chaucer referred to a young woman as "nice," he meant nearly the opposite of what we would mean today.
Do you see what I'm getting at? They are used very similar in other languages and carried over into English.
Entry: idiot
Function: noun
Definition: stupid
Synonyms: ass, blockhead, boob, booby, cretin, dimwit, donkey, dork, dumb ox, dumbbell, dunce, dunderhead, fool, halfwit, ignoramus, imbecile, jackass, jerk, kook, meathead, mental defective, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, pinhead, pointy head, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit, yo-yo
Concept: ignorance
See. Stupidity and ignorance are both words used to describe similar things.
Lastly... from a link that was just posted:
Ig`no`ra´mus
n. 1. (Law) We are ignorant; we ignore; - being the word formerly written on a bill of indictment by a grand jury when there was not sufficient evidence to warrant them in finding it a true bill. The phrase now used is, "No bill," "No true bill," or "Not found," though in some jurisdictions "Ignored" is still used.
2. A stupid, ignorant person; a vain pretender to knowledge; a dunce.
An ignoramus in place and power
Related Words
abecedarian, alphabetarian, apprentice, articled clerk, ass, beginner, boot, born fool, buffoon, catechumen, clown, dabbler, debutant, dilettante, doodle, dullard, dullhead, dumbbell, dummkopf, dummy, dunce, egregious ass, entrant, figure of fun, fledgling, fool, freshman, greenhorn, greeny, idiot, illiterate, illiterati, inductee, initiate, jackass, know-nothing, lowbrow, lunatic, middlebrow, milksop, mooncalf, moron, neophyte, new boy, newcomer, no scholar, novice, novitiate, perfect fool, postulant, probationer, probationist, puddinghead, raw recruit, recruit, rookie, schmuck, simpleton, softhead, sop, stupid, stupid ass, tenderfoot, tomfool, tyro, unintelligentsia, zany
Are you going to tell me that Ignoramus and Ignorant aren't related? And by proxy that stupid can't be a related word to Ignorant? I think I've laid it out fairly well. Be semantical all you want, but I'm done with this bullsh!t argument.
Ig`no`ra´mus
n. 1. (Law) We are ignorant; we ignore; - being the word formerly written on a bill of indictment by a grand jury when there was not sufficient evidence to warrant them in finding it a true bill. The phrase now used is, "No bill," "No true bill," or "Not found," though in some jurisdictions "Ignored" is still used.
2. A stupid, ignorant person; a vain pretender to knowledge; a dunce.
An ignoramus in place and power
Related Words
abecedarian, alphabetarian, apprentice, articled clerk, ass, beginner, boot, born fool, buffoon, catechumen, clown, dabbler, debutant, dilettante, doodle, dullard, dullhead, dumbbell, dummkopf, dummy, dunce, egregious ass, entrant, figure of fun, fledgling, fool, freshman, greenhorn, greeny, idiot, illiterate, illiterati, inductee, initiate, jackass, know-nothing, lowbrow, lunatic, middlebrow, milksop, mooncalf, moron, neophyte, new boy, newcomer, no scholar, novice, novitiate, perfect fool, postulant, probationer, probationist, puddinghead, raw recruit, recruit, rookie, schmuck, simpleton, softhead, sop, stupid, stupid ass, tenderfoot, tomfool, tyro, unintelligentsia, zany
Are you going to tell me that Ignoramus and Ignorant aren't related? And by proxy that stupid can't be a related word to Ignorant? I think I've laid it out fairly well. Be semantical all you want, but I'm done with this bullsh!t argument.
Oh!
I'm not upset. I always debate in an aggressive manner. I just think that stupid is quite related if not a synonym of ignorant. They are used interchangeably. But I really just plan to talk to the Prof again. I don't have to take any Math after this, so I could theoretically talk to the Dean/Head and not worry about burning bridges.
BlueWeasel
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LOL!
I doubt he's here for the stimulating conversation. He's probably one of the hundreds of N00bs that have signed up the week or so trying to score a Gmail invite.
I'm suprised, Mill...you took it fairly easy on him. You feeling OK?
funny that they never mention anything about prof absences. i get seriously pissed off when a prof who's anal about attendance skips class. i have to drive 40 minutes each way to get to some of my classes. that's an hour and 20 minutes of my day (plus parking time, walking to class, and GAS MONEY) wasted because the prick had a cough. but if someone like mill needs to make up a quiz, oh no, that's just not possible.
a contract that you cannot negotiate, have little choice in refusing, and did not sign is not a contract. regardless, syllabi are not an excuse to be an asswipe. it's little skin off his back to let mill take the quiz during the office hours he is likely required to keep but usually spends jacking off or playing solitare.
In my time at my Uni I've had Prof absences happen at least 10 times. About half of them it wasn't a problem because I was already at the school for another class. The other times I drove 40 minutes to see a sheet of paper, or a milling of students around a class that never started. That is very irritating, but all of those Profs that did that were VERY compromising when it came to student absences.
Your Prof is being a d!ck. There are many like him. He may be your first, but he definitely won't be your last. Some Profs still wouldn't let you retake the test even if you warned them before hand. You just gotta try your best to avoid them (which i know can be VERY difficult if you're trying to graduate in 4). You can try going to higher people, but I doubt they'll care; as others have said earlier, all a university really cares about is the research.
Good luck!
ps- you're revenge tactics seem too extreme/unlikely you should just find his email addy and get it spammed
Good luck!
ps- you're revenge tactics seem too extreme/unlikely you should just find his email addy and get it spammed
wow...you are quite the determined fellow when it comes to proving somthing , just as you stated, as trivial as the synonymity of similar words.
I will agree that they are related words and perhaps synonym's depending on their use, but this just illustrates your stubborness all the more.
1. Stop writing so much. Most of it is "hyperbolic" jibberish that is quite repetetive and flooded with a great degree of endless enthusiasm. I am not saying that my 'writing' is any better, but hopefully you get my point.
2. The reason we are in such a disaccord with you is because of your attitude. Perhaps you are not meaning to come off as many have understood you, but the sentiments everyone is reacting to are those of a character exhibiting "holier than thou" qualities. We are simply trying to challenge that seemingly righteous attitude because, in short, it is not the greatest characteristic for a young man to exhibit. The reason behind our communative criticisms of this attitude is quite obvious, but the reasoning behind our generalizations about your persona reflect the OP and quite a few posts thereafter as that is all we have to go on for most of us. At least most of us understand your situation, but how should anyone give you advice if you reject their opinions immediately?
My point is that it seems as if you understand your situation, but are just ignorant when it comes to disscussion such as these where you are expressing your opinion in a biased light. We are attempting to give you information based on fact, falacy, or experience, and yet you not only criticize but denounce any opposing views.
My advice is that you continue badgering up the administrative chain, but not depend on it. The overwelling amount of experiences concerning similar situations provide a general consensus that you could have proceeded in a better fashion. If you realize this already, than that is great. That then gives you a clear perspective from the prof.'s point of view and that of the students. As someone posted earlier, the key to these situations in college, with all its faults and shortcomings, is to anticpitate and react beforehand.
The problem is that you are perhaps expressing character that is unbecoming of your real-world persona and are peeved that people aren't respecting 'you' when all they have to summerize you is a postcount # and your 'hyperbolous' rant.
If anything, be content that the 'rant' is what people are criticizing and not your own real persona. You seem like you know what you are doing yet still defend a piece of writing that you yourself denounce.
Be a bigger man, accept the situation where people have posted LIGITIMATE greivances concering the shortcomings of the character depicted in that rant. You have basically defended statements that even you have denounced, but with what gain? It would do you some good to learn to "lose" and let go of explicitly flawed argmuments. In this case you have deversified the scope of your arguments to simultaneously criticize the rant and yet criticize those in the midst of criticizing it.
I accept that it was a rant.
Oh, and ignorance and stupidity are indeed similar and different, which I am sure you realize but have not alluded too clearly. They both serve to describe the level, or outright presence, of rationallity associated with a noun.
Ignorance predominantly refers to uneducated yet rational acts.
Stupidity on the other hand predominantly refers to irrationality regardless of the educated state.
Arguing the definitions is all good and fun, but I disagree with the statements that serve to dimish the specificity with which some words are used. Perhaps they are similar and even synonymic, but that is by no means an adaquate reason to denounce explicit utilizations in certain situations.
What I just wrote is not merely bullsh!t but an attempt to get you to realize that we understand that it was just a rant. Honestly, you could be the greatest student in the world, but you chose to present yourself as something else. You have since then alluded to your real persona, but once again your posts are marred with antagnoistic defenses and rebuttals of the OP. You even go as far as to castigate a supposed professor on here for actions that you have no way of verifying. What are you gaining by insulting those who are merely weighing in via a universally accepted mannner. So in the future, perhaps you should not hesitate to label what it is that you are, and what it is that you are "feeling."
Let it go.
There are sometimes when missing class may be your only option, more so if you're taking a hard course load. First the sleep goes, then any rec time, and then it interferes with argueing with strangers online, which is when you know it has gone too far.
He's being a jerk, no matter why you missed. Even if it isn't written somewhere that make-up quizes are okay, he could let you take the quiz with very minimal effort. If it was a common thing to miss quizes it'd be different. Being a grad student doesn't help the situation either. They usually go through class half brain dead because they just don't care, they're students first.
Colleges are messed up. The priorities seem to be randomly shuffled and if you get lucky you catch a prof who wants to teach and can do it effectively. I've had profs throughout the range. One philosophy class I remember in detail. I had an A or above on every single assignment, yet somehow had a B+ for the class. I also had an english class where I had a B because I hated reading several idiots writing at a 5th grade level. I talked to him privately at the end of the semester when he basicly said "well you have a B in the class, but I'm the professor and can give you whatever I want." Reports come and a nice big A is sitting next to the class name. In entry level classes it is worse, but some sanity is injected as you climb the ladder.
BTW, I've gone through many jerk profs(and many good ones) so I know where you're coming from Mill. Keep pushing it as far as you want. Worst thing that could happen by asking up the food chain is a response of "no". Best case is they get sick of dealing with you and help you out. If that doesn't work, well lean on the one college shoulder that never lets you down. :beer:
He's being a jerk, no matter why you missed. Even if it isn't written somewhere that make-up quizes are okay, he could let you take the quiz with very minimal effort. If it was a common thing to miss quizes it'd be different. Being a grad student doesn't help the situation either. They usually go through class half brain dead because they just don't care, they're students first.
Colleges are messed up. The priorities seem to be randomly shuffled and if you get lucky you catch a prof who wants to teach and can do it effectively. I've had profs throughout the range. One philosophy class I remember in detail. I had an A or above on every single assignment, yet somehow had a B+ for the class. I also had an english class where I had a B because I hated reading several idiots writing at a 5th grade level. I talked to him privately at the end of the semester when he basicly said "well you have a B in the class, but I'm the professor and can give you whatever I want." Reports come and a nice big A is sitting next to the class name.
In entry level classes it is worse, but some sanity is injected as you climb the ladder.BTW, I've gone through many jerk profs(and many good ones) so I know where you're coming from Mill. Keep pushing it as far as you want. Worst thing that could happen by asking up the food chain is a response of "no". Best case is they get sick of dealing with you and help you out.
If that doesn't work, well lean on the one college shoulder that never lets you down. :beer:Goosemaster- might want to reread the highly reguarded professor's first post and see how it comes across. I agree with most of what you wrote, but I wouldn't be tossing around halos in this thread. (unless it's for an X-box in which case tossing around halos is acceptable)
ohtwell
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I think you should talk to someone higher up. I can't see how this would hurt you any. If that doesn't work you can always try your other ideas.
As for all the petty arguing in this thread, just ignore them Evan. No reason in stooping down to their level.
: ) Amanda
As for all the petty arguing in this thread, just ignore them Evan. No reason in stooping down to their level.
: ) Amanda
Originally posted by: Brule
BTW, I've gone through many jerk profs(and many good ones) so I know where you're coming from Mill. Keep pushing it as far as you want. Worst thing that could happen by asking up the food chain is a response of "no". Best case is they get sick of dealing with you and help you out.
You'd be surprised how well anticipating their reactions and planning accordingly can work. I realize now that I said it in more of a castigatory manner, but I also meant to point of its efficacy.
Honestly, we've all had HORRIBLE teachers at least once, but it is normal and we must take it in stride. . I took calc II three times. 1st time my prof wasn't that great because he didn't know how to teach. I was on my way to gettting a B+ but I wasn't able to take the final examdue to administrative actions. The second time I had a prof that was even less capable at teaching me even though he knew the material well. I finally retook it a third time this past spring term and got a B becaused I relied on myself. The teacher was actually good, but I actually read the entire course material that time. To prove my point even more, I didn't even use a calulator for 3/4 of the term because I had lost it.
Mill. There is nothing wrong with being proactive and persistent. You have every damn right to make the biggest fuss you can. Even so, it is DETREMENTAL to a favorable outcome for this issue that you not only realize, but EMBRACE the prof's and the school's possible stances on the issue.
Via the myriad of posts in this thread you now know what to expect.
lol, funny thread.
I take it this is a summer session class and is only 8 weeks long. If that's the case then every class is important in the profs eyes because you're going through about a weeks worth of work per class, about 14 weeks in a regular semester. Now since this is practically a night class, and it seems the students don't like him or take the class itself seriously, I'm sure the Ragin Romanian is experiencing a fairly high absence rate. So he has to be strict on attendance.
Now before you go and complain to the department chair (which you prof will inevitably hear about and may take personally) ask him politely if you can do any extra work to make up points for the quiz. Just offering will make him think you care and when he's calculating grades may just give you a break. Its easy to get on the good side of professors, but even easier to get on their bad. Remember they're people also and just think of them as a system to be manipulated. It sounds like you?re being a smart-aleck know-it-all in that class, and let me tell you profs get just as annoyed with smart-alecks as the next person.
Swallow your pride and say somthing like "Dr. Romainian dude, I'm very sorry for missing the quiz and I'm disappointed I can't make it up. While I admit it is my fault for not telling you ahead of time I would be missing that class due to a court case, I was wondering if there was any extra credit I could do to get some of those points back".
Even if he's not a Phd use the title Dr.
I've used this tactic many many times and have always been given the chance to makeup the points. This also works with reports, and assignments. College is a system of people, work the people and you're working the system. Slimy huh?
I take it this is a summer session class and is only 8 weeks long. If that's the case then every class is important in the profs eyes because you're going through about a weeks worth of work per class, about 14 weeks in a regular semester. Now since this is practically a night class, and it seems the students don't like him or take the class itself seriously, I'm sure the Ragin Romanian is experiencing a fairly high absence rate. So he has to be strict on attendance.
Now before you go and complain to the department chair (which you prof will inevitably hear about and may take personally) ask him politely if you can do any extra work to make up points for the quiz. Just offering will make him think you care and when he's calculating grades may just give you a break. Its easy to get on the good side of professors, but even easier to get on their bad. Remember they're people also and just think of them as a system to be manipulated. It sounds like you?re being a smart-aleck know-it-all in that class, and let me tell you profs get just as annoyed with smart-alecks as the next person.
Swallow your pride and say somthing like "Dr. Romainian dude, I'm very sorry for missing the quiz and I'm disappointed I can't make it up. While I admit it is my fault for not telling you ahead of time I would be missing that class due to a court case, I was wondering if there was any extra credit I could do to get some of those points back".
Even if he's not a Phd use the title Dr.
I've used this tactic many many times and have always been given the chance to makeup the points. This also works with reports, and assignments. College is a system of people, work the people and you're working the system. Slimy huh?
I had to comment on this. It takes balls to post on an internet forum? That is to laugh.
Now on the main subject. Mill you are wrong, utterly wrong and may plead your case to the dean but I believe you will not prevail.
Court date can be delayed. If it cannot you know ahead of time when it is and a conflict with your class schedule. Every effort should have been made to inform the professor beforehand.
You have been explained this in more detail and much more eloquently by Dagta and others so I know I am wasting my minute typing this.
No, you are Kiyup, and you are a troll. Get the fvck out of my thread. The court date COULD NOT be delayed. If you'd have read the OP you'd see that.
Goosemaster - Thank you for being civil, and your points are well received. I agree with you in spirit, but as I said my attitude was hyperbolic at first, but I do feel I have the right to talk to the Dean or higher ups. I wasn't being hyperbolic about arguing with DAGTA though.
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