I've a got a @##$ rant for you

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: MillWrong. Every class is not important. That's a lie. Professors only say that because they WANT students to come. If I can make an A attending 2 classes then that is what I will do. It is bastards like you that try to schedule sneaky stuff so that you have to attend every day. That's BS. This is College and not fvcking Middle School. Adults have different priorities and obligations than those in HS or Middle School. What if someone got called into work? Or had to take care of the kids because their Spouse was sick? You're a self-important Professor. There are a couple of dinosaurs like you still around, but that's only because we haven't evaled you into the ground yet. Only the classes that have tests, take up homework, or have a quiz are important. The rest are BS days. If I know the material then I know the material. Stop acting as if Professors really have power. That's why the Dean typically spends 99% of his time dealing with moron Professors that think they can be d!cks and get away with it. Here's a hint: Students are the reason you have a job. WE pay YOU. When we aren't satisfied we have every reason to bitch.

Do you attend a community college, public university, or private university?

For a public university, here are some FACTS:
The evaluations can affect a raise. A professor, especially a tenured one, will never be fired based on evaluations. Most professors laugh about them in the dept office when students aren't around.

The Dean often doesn't care enough to do something about student complaints. The Dean cares about the research the professors are bringing into the college.

Students are the reason professors have jobs... for show. The real reason is research. Research gets the attention and money that the university wants. Very few careers are made based on student opinion. Those crappy professors you have? Maybe they are good at bring in research money.

Seriously, you are very ignorant about college and the way it really works. Good luck to you.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: DAGTA


I speed probably every time I drive. Jaywalked? Not sure. Point is, you're the one calling me 'holier than thou', not me. However, I'm trying to tell you, from a professor's point of view, you messed up and he doesn't owe you anything.

Like hell he doesn't. Mill is a paying costomer. He already paid, he should be able to take it whenever he wants. Once you put your money on the table you shouldn't get jerked around like that. But I guess that's a radical concept, and that's why I'm not running a college.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: DAGTA


I speed probably every time I drive. Jaywalked? Not sure. Point is, you're the one calling me 'holier than thou', not me. However, I'm trying to tell you, from a professor's point of view, you messed up and he doesn't owe you anything.

Like hell he doesn't. Mill is a paying costomer. He already paid, he should be able to take it whenever he wants. Once you put your money on the table you shouldn't get jerked around like that. But I guess that's a radical concept, and that's why I'm not running a college.

Maybe ina perfect world, where no one cheats, and everyone is completely honest and dependable. Impossible in the real world.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill
The reason you are a Professor in the past is because you obviously couldn't teach or got raped on evals. I've had very good Professors at my school, so I know when someone is subpar. I'd like you to get me his e-mail address BTW. Since he is new this semester and it isn't on the syllabus. PLEASE go get it for me. No, your problem is that you are holier than I, and would have crossed all your I's and dotted all your T's. You've never had a life situation where you had to make choices, and you've never had bad luck. I'm obviously being sarcastic, but I can't help but belittle you for being that way. It isn't like I expect him to give me an A on the Quiz, but it will impact my grade. I'm asking to make up a quiz that I missed due to unfortunate circumstances. So, you are saying that if I was stopped at a roadblock and I was detained(let's say I looked like the suspect) you wouldn't let me take it either? He didn't ask for the reason I was at court.

Nope. My evaluations were the second highest in the department. I was getting in trouble with other professors because their students were coming to me for help. I quit to work in the private sector.

I let my students make up missed tests and quizzes so long as they either contacted me before the test/quiz OR their circumstances for missing the quiz were beyond their control. This does not apply to you. You knew ahead of time that you would be missing class because of your court appt but you failed to contact your professor about it. So you couldn't call him or email him, you still could have gone to his office and slipped a note under his door or gone to the dept office and asked that a note be placed in his mailbox.

I scored a B+ in a class, instead of A, because I missed turning in one homework assignment because I was gone for a funeral. I was pissed at first that the professor wouldn't accept it, then I realized I should have turned it in before I left or at least let him know I was going to be gone.

It isn't about being 'holier than thou'. It's about you realizing the world doesn't revolve around you, but you don't seem to be on track to realizing that anytime soon.

Again, he may be a crappy professor. Had you contacted him ahead of time and he refused to let you make it up, you would have my sympathy but, as it happened, you messed up.

I had no way of knowing we'd have a quiz on THAT day. As for contacting him... I did try to phone him to ask if I'd be missing anything important. Maybe it was my fault I didn't contact him another way. However, I've never had a single professor that wanted to be informed of an absence unless you were going to be missing a test or be gone for longer than a week. I find that completely unnecessary to do so, but I actually did in this event because I knew a quiz would be happening soon. Finally, when is the last time you sped, jaywalked, or did anything that was against the law. ANYTHING. Not like I robbed a liquor store and expect sympathy. I'm paying the fine and doing extra things as well related to it. That seems fair to me.

I don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

damn man..let it die.

These circumstances were not unexpected. Although you seem to heartfelt on proving your point, please understand that the world NOT revole around you. In addition, some people take it as far as not caring at all. If you would have mae it perfectly clear that you would not be there quite a bit beforehand, the teacher would have no leg to stand on in this situation In this case, because of your actions, you are the one who has nothing to stand on.

Now you know what most people either already know and apply or know and just ignore:

In school as in with any ongoing activity, be it schooling or work, you MUST notify your superirors beforehand of ANY abcesces so that you will absolve your responsibly for any immediate work to the highest extent available.


Live in learn.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: DAGTA


I speed probably every time I drive. Jaywalked? Not sure. Point is, you're the one calling me 'holier than thou', not me. However, I'm trying to tell you, from a professor's point of view, you messed up and he doesn't owe you anything.

Like hell he doesn't. Mill is a paying costomer. He already paid, he should be able to take it whenever he wants. Once you put your money on the table you shouldn't get jerked around like that. But I guess that's a radical concept, and that's why I'm not running a college.

Payment is for an agreed upon service. I doubt the "contract" stipulates abscences and mandatorily-offered makeups in most cases.

I joke with my prof about how I want to get "my money's worth" in classwhen I ask him to reapeat something in class, and I do have a point.

HOWEVER, a situation such as this were the [supposed] facts absolve the teacher of any responsibility for Mill is different.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: MillI don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

I knew one day ahead of time that I would be gone for the funeral, but I didn't contact the professor.

Professors like me are wrong? Universities don't seem to agree with you. When I said I was leaving, I had two offers to stay, the second better than the first, and another university contacted me about taking a position with them. I would let you take a Final early for a brother's graduation and other similar stuff. You're missing the point, as you have been this entire thread.

Have you taken any hard classes? Any upper level classes? Take a few hard upper level classes, ones where only one professor in the university teaches the class and a lot of information is covered each session, and then come back and tell me professors aren't important. I never failed or lowered any student's grade for missing class. The course I taught (programming) was hard enough (not intentionally, simply due to the subject matter and speed) that students failed themselves by not attending. It seems you've taken only blow off or freshmen level classes so far.

Try something challenging in the future.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are dead wrong. I made it through a Top 10 HS in the nation and college without the help of teachers and professors. Sure, some helped me along the way, and gave me recommendations, etc. I liked many of them and did pay attention to them. Maybe I'm different but I am my own best teacher. I hate how Professors dumb material down or add very little except for things out of the book. I can go on google and research a topic and have an awesome understanding of it. Most professors regurgitate the same old thing time after time or FORCE you to buy their book that they change the edition of every year. You've got this idea that because you're a professor that you are superior to the students. That simply isn't the case. I am only a sophomore, but I have taken 3 mid to upper level courses. B, A, A. Anyway... as I said I'm my own best teacher, and I don't need a Professor in most classes to understand the material.

Something challenging? How is it my fault that I'm forced to take Intro level classes first? I can't just take the Upper level because I have to have prerequisites. Even though I can make good grades in the higher levels I'm required to take the lower levels. Why? Because Professors have to be paid, and they have to suck more of my money out of me.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: DAGTA


I speed probably every time I drive. Jaywalked? Not sure. Point is, you're the one calling me 'holier than thou', not me. However, I'm trying to tell you, from a professor's point of view, you messed up and he doesn't owe you anything.

Like hell he doesn't. Mill is a paying costomer. He already paid, he should be able to take it whenever he wants. Once you put your money on the table you shouldn't get jerked around like that. But I guess that's a radical concept, and that's why I'm not running a college.

It's like this: You go to a car dealership and buy a car. You pay cash up front. Only they can't get the car right now, you have to wait for them to bring it. While you were at the store buying a jug of milk the car shows up at your house and you weren't there to sign. Oops, too bad, guess you're out of luck. If any other business was run the same way colleges are run they wouldn't last long because no one would shop there.

 

[TitanDiddly]

INS/drugs

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: MillWrong. Every class is not important. That's a lie. Professors only say that because they WANT students to come. If I can make an A attending 2 classes then that is what I will do. It is bastards like you that try to schedule sneaky stuff so that you have to attend every day. That's BS. This is College and not fvcking Middle School. Adults have different priorities and obligations than those in HS or Middle School. What if someone got called into work? Or had to take care of the kids because their Spouse was sick? You're a self-important Professor. There are a couple of dinosaurs like you still around, but that's only because we haven't evaled you into the ground yet. Only the classes that have tests, take up homework, or have a quiz are important. The rest are BS days. If I know the material then I know the material. Stop acting as if Professors really have power. That's why the Dean typically spends 99% of his time dealing with moron Professors that think they can be d!cks and get away with it. Here's a hint: Students are the reason you have a job. WE pay YOU. When we aren't satisfied we have every reason to bitch.

Do you attend a community college, public university, or private university?

For a public university, here are some FACTS:
The evaluations can affect a raise. A professor, especially a tenured one, will never be fired based on evaluations. Most professors laugh about them in the dept office when students aren't around.

The Dean often doesn't care enough to do something about student complaints. The Dean cares about the research the professors are bringing into the college.

Students are the reason professors have jobs... for show. The real reason is research. Research gets the attention and money that the university wants. Very few careers are made based on student opinion. Those crappy professors you have? Maybe they are good at bring in research money.

Seriously, you are very ignorant about college and the way it really works. Good luck to you.

I'm very ignorant? You are telling me a Math Professor that ONLY teachers lower level math is engaging in heart warming research. I go to a large Public University. I know how easy tenure allows profs to stay in the system, and that is why ALL students want the idea of tenure GONE. It allows fvcking morons like yourself to stay a prof. If it wasn't for students there wouldn't be a job for most profs, and good luck attracting research over a private firm when you have zero money to begin with or any students.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: lirionIt's like this: You go to a car dealership and buy a car. You pay cash up front. Only they can't get the car right now, you have to wait for them to bring it. While you were at the store buying a jug of milk the car shows up at your house and you weren't there to sign. Oops, too bad, guess you're out of luck. If any other business was run the same way colleges are run they wouldn't last long because no one would shop there.

So the car would just show up without an appointment? Get a better analogy.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: lirionIt's like this: You go to a car dealership and buy a car. You pay cash up front. Only they can't get the car right now, you have to wait for them to bring it. While you were at the store buying a jug of milk the car shows up at your house and you weren't there to sign. Oops, too bad, guess you're out of luck. If any other business was run the same way colleges are run they wouldn't last long because no one would shop there.

So the car would just show up without an appointment? Get a better analogy.

The car showed up without an appointment the same way the test did. What's the difference?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: DAGTA


I speed probably every time I drive. Jaywalked? Not sure. Point is, you're the one calling me 'holier than thou', not me. However, I'm trying to tell you, from a professor's point of view, you messed up and he doesn't owe you anything.

Like hell he doesn't. Mill is a paying costomer. He already paid, he should be able to take it whenever he wants. Once you put your money on the table you shouldn't get jerked around like that. But I guess that's a radical concept, and that's why I'm not running a college.

Payment is for an agreed upon service. I doubt the "contract" stipulates abscences and mandatorily-offered makeups in most cases.

I joke with my prof about how I want to get "my money's worth" in classwhen I ask him to reapeat something in class, and I do have a point.

HOWEVER, a situation such as this were the [supposed] facts absolve the teacher of any responsibility for Mill is different.

What contract? I pay for a service and expect it to be done decently. Just because college has always been a fvcked up system that doesn't favor the students doesn't mean it can't be changed. You seem to think that the students are on a lessor level than the profs. Actually, students are the reason they have jobs. Even though I go to a research University most research is done in our Medical departments and not by a random Math Professor. Sorry, but you people just don't get it.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: MillI'm very ignorant? You are telling me a Math Professor that ONLY teachers lower level math is engaging in heart warming research. I go to a large Public University. I know how easy tenure allows profs to stay in the system, and that is why ALL students want the idea of tenure GONE. It allows fvcking morons like yourself to stay a prof. If it wasn't for students there wouldn't be a job for most profs, and good luck attracting research over a private firm when you have zero money to begin with or any students.

Mill, do you know the difference between 'ignorance' and 'stupidity'? If not, look it up at dictionary.com

Calling you ignorant wasn't an insult. I agree on the matter of tenure. Too many professors rest on their tenure and don't work for their jobs. You might change some of your opinions over the next two years.

BTW, may I what your major is?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill
The reason you are a Professor in the past is because you obviously couldn't teach or got raped on evals. I've had very good Professors at my school, so I know when someone is subpar. I'd like you to get me his e-mail address BTW. Since he is new this semester and it isn't on the syllabus. PLEASE go get it for me. No, your problem is that you are holier than I, and would have crossed all your I's and dotted all your T's. You've never had a life situation where you had to make choices, and you've never had bad luck. I'm obviously being sarcastic, but I can't help but belittle you for being that way. It isn't like I expect him to give me an A on the Quiz, but it will impact my grade. I'm asking to make up a quiz that I missed due to unfortunate circumstances. So, you are saying that if I was stopped at a roadblock and I was detained(let's say I looked like the suspect) you wouldn't let me take it either? He didn't ask for the reason I was at court.

Nope. My evaluations were the second highest in the department. I was getting in trouble with other professors because their students were coming to me for help. I quit to work in the private sector.

I let my students make up missed tests and quizzes so long as they either contacted me before the test/quiz OR their circumstances for missing the quiz were beyond their control. This does not apply to you. You knew ahead of time that you would be missing class because of your court appt but you failed to contact your professor about it. So you couldn't call him or email him, you still could have gone to his office and slipped a note under his door or gone to the dept office and asked that a note be placed in his mailbox.

I scored a B+ in a class, instead of A, because I missed turning in one homework assignment because I was gone for a funeral. I was pissed at first that the professor wouldn't accept it, then I realized I should have turned it in before I left or at least let him know I was going to be gone.

It isn't about being 'holier than thou'. It's about you realizing the world doesn't revolve around you, but you don't seem to be on track to realizing that anytime soon.

Again, he may be a crappy professor. Had you contacted him ahead of time and he refused to let you make it up, you would have my sympathy but, as it happened, you messed up.

I had no way of knowing we'd have a quiz on THAT day. As for contacting him... I did try to phone him to ask if I'd be missing anything important. Maybe it was my fault I didn't contact him another way. However, I've never had a single professor that wanted to be informed of an absence unless you were going to be missing a test or be gone for longer than a week. I find that completely unnecessary to do so, but I actually did in this event because I knew a quiz would be happening soon. Finally, when is the last time you sped, jaywalked, or did anything that was against the law. ANYTHING. Not like I robbed a liquor store and expect sympathy. I'm paying the fine and doing extra things as well related to it. That seems fair to me.

I don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

damn man..let it die.

These circumstances were not unexpected. Although you seem to heartfelt on proving your point, please understand that the world NOT revole around you. In addition, some people take it as far as not caring at all. If you would have mae it perfectly clear that you would not be there quite a bit beforehand, the teacher would have no leg to stand on in this situation In this case, because of your actions, you are the one who has nothing to stand on.

Now you know what most people either already know and apply or know and just ignore:

In school as in with any ongoing activity, be it schooling or work, you MUST notify your superirors beforehand of ANY abcesces so that you will absolve your responsibly for any immediate work to the highest extent available.


Live in learn.

Difference in a job and school is that my job pays me. I pay my school. I guess that means the school should be telling me when it will give tests then? Right? Fair is fair?

See, the whole problem is that so many people have put up with BS Profs for too long. Most Profs can act normal until they get tenure and then they turn into jerks. This guy doesn't have tenure. Sucks for him. This is so silly. If I took the quiz I'd do very well on it, but some of you think I should fail it just because. Not because I didn't know the material, but because I didn't put 100% effort into working a system that is arbitrary and ridiculous.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Mill
Sorry, but you people just don't get it.

Are you sure we are the people 'not getting it', Mill?
You're currently a student. I've already been through college and have more than one degree.

I've also been a professor in a public university, have you?

I don't agree with much of the way the system works in universities (one of the reasons I left) but that doesn't change the way things are in reality.

Anyway, we're going in circles here and getting nowhere.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: MillI don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

I knew one day ahead of time that I would be gone for the funeral, but I didn't contact the professor.

Professors like me are wrong? Universities don't seem to agree with you. When I said I was leaving, I had two offers to stay, the second better than the first, and another university contacted me about taking a position with them. I would let you take a Final early for a brother's graduation and other similar stuff. You're missing the point, as you have been this entire thread.

Have you taken any hard classes? Any upper level classes? Take a few hard upper level classes, ones where only one professor in the university teaches the class and a lot of information is covered each session, and then come back and tell me professors aren't important. I never failed or lowered any student's grade for missing class. The course I taught (programming) was hard enough (not intentionally, simply due to the subject matter and speed) that students failed themselves by not attending. It seems you've taken only blow off or freshmen level classes so far.

Try something challenging in the future.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are dead wrong. I made it through a Top 10 HS in the nation and college without the help of teachers and professors. Sure, some helped me along the way, and gave me recommendations, etc. I liked many of them and did pay attention to them. Maybe I'm different but I am my own best teacher. I hate how Professors dumb material down or add very little except for things out of the book. I can go on google and research a topic and have an awesome understanding of it. Most professors regurgitate the same old thing time after time or FORCE you to buy their book that they change the edition of every year. You've got this idea that because you're a professor that you are superior to the students. That simply isn't the case. I am only a sophomore, but I have taken 3 mid to upper level courses. B, A, A. Anyway... as I said I'm my own best teacher, and I don't need a Professor in most classes to understand the material.

Something challenging? How is it my fault that I'm forced to take Intro level classes first? I can't just take the Upper level because I have to have prerequisites. Even though I can make good grades in the higher levels I'm required to take the lower levels. Why? Because Professors have to be paid, and they have to suck more of my money out of me.

OMG are you a stuck up fvck or what?!?:Q

You do realize that most of us have to take those intro classes. right? We all have our own "interesting" classes where the prof. are total goofballs or worse, but wow, you attitude is overwhelming me.

The reason you take intro classes is so that you get used to the experience. Obviously they are there to make money, but they need a structured program to flourish.


I would argue with you more, but you seem intent on your opinion, so I'll let you be.


My point was not to provide you with an epithphany, but just a small token of wisdom that I learned the hard way.


In the end, do what works best for you, and if it doesn;t work, then perhaps TRY to consider the opions of others. Honestly, the opinion's of others, especially those verified in the topic of disscussion, seem foreign at best sometimes, but at least comtemplate their feasibility in your life and their repurcutions if any.

What do you think would have happened if you had both sent him an email concerning this 2 weeks prior, and reminded him one scheduled class before?

It is for your own good, not just for ours.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: MillI'm very ignorant? You are telling me a Math Professor that ONLY teachers lower level math is engaging in heart warming research. I go to a large Public University. I know how easy tenure allows profs to stay in the system, and that is why ALL students want the idea of tenure GONE. It allows fvcking morons like yourself to stay a prof. If it wasn't for students there wouldn't be a job for most profs, and good luck attracting research over a private firm when you have zero money to begin with or any students.

Mill, do you know the difference between 'ignorance' and 'stupidity'? If not, look it up at dictionary.com

Calling you ignorant wasn't an insult. I agree on the matter of tenure. Too many professors rest on their tenure and don't work for their jobs. You might change some of your opinions over the next two years.

BTW, may I what your major is?

Uhh... right. You acted as if you knew my position in school or that of my University. You then proceeded to call ME ignorant about how Universities work. HELLO!!! I have a much better idea about how my University works than you do. You were the one ignorant of the truth on the matter and not I. I never said anything about stupidity. BTW, most people would say ignorance and stupidity are synonyms. Try much harder next time when you want to lecture me about Vocabulary.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: MillI don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

I knew one day ahead of time that I would be gone for the funeral, but I didn't contact the professor.

Professors like me are wrong? Universities don't seem to agree with you. When I said I was leaving, I had two offers to stay, the second better than the first, and another university contacted me about taking a position with them. I would let you take a Final early for a brother's graduation and other similar stuff. You're missing the point, as you have been this entire thread.

Have you taken any hard classes? Any upper level classes? Take a few hard upper level classes, ones where only one professor in the university teaches the class and a lot of information is covered each session, and then come back and tell me professors aren't important. I never failed or lowered any student's grade for missing class. The course I taught (programming) was hard enough (not intentionally, simply due to the subject matter and speed) that students failed themselves by not attending. It seems you've taken only blow off or freshmen level classes so far.

Try something challenging in the future.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are dead wrong. I made it through a Top 10 HS in the nation and college without the help of teachers and professors. Sure, some helped me along the way, and gave me recommendations, etc. I liked many of them and did pay attention to them. Maybe I'm different but I am my own best teacher. I hate how Professors dumb material down or add very little except for things out of the book. I can go on google and research a topic and have an awesome understanding of it. Most professors regurgitate the same old thing time after time or FORCE you to buy their book that they change the edition of every year. You've got this idea that because you're a professor that you are superior to the students. That simply isn't the case. I am only a sophomore, but I have taken 3 mid to upper level courses. B, A, A. Anyway... as I said I'm my own best teacher, and I don't need a Professor in most classes to understand the material.

Something challenging? How is it my fault that I'm forced to take Intro level classes first? I can't just take the Upper level because I have to have prerequisites. Even though I can make good grades in the higher levels I'm required to take the lower levels. Why? Because Professors have to be paid, and they have to suck more of my money out of me.

OMG are you a stuck up fvck or what?!?:Q

You do realize that most of us have to take those intro classes. right? We all have our own "interesting" classes where the prof. are total goofballs or worse, but wow, you attitude is overwhelming me.

The reason you take intro classes is so that you get used to the experience. Obviously they are there to make money, but they need a structured program to flourish.


I would argue with you more, but you seem intent on your opinion, so I'll let you be.


My point was not to provide you with an epithphany, but just a small token of wisdom that I learned the hard way.


In the end, do what works best for you, and if it doesn;t work, then perhaps TRY to consider the opions of others. Honestly, the opinion's of others, especially those verified in the topic of disscussion, seem foreign at best sometimes, but at least comtemplate their feasibility in your life and their repurcutions if any.

What do you think would have happened if you had both sent him an email concerning this 2 weeks prior, and reminded him one scheduled class before?

It is for your own good, not just for ours.

Because I didn''t say "Goosemaster is the FVCKING bomb" and immediately ask to have sex with you -- then it means I discounted your opinion? If I replied to it, debated it, and said something about it then it means I considered it. It doesn't mean I fell in love with the veracity of what you said and that's just life. If I debate one way it doesn't mean I'm ignoring any points you have made. It simply means I'm not agreeing that it is the course of action I want to take. And yes, I am stubborn.

 

[DainBramaged]

Ask my Romanian Co-Workers to get their local Russian mob syndicate to "talk" to his family.

Yup

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill
Sorry, but you people just don't get it.

Are you sure we are the people 'not getting it', Mill?
You're currently a student. I've already been through college and have more than one degree.

I've also been a professor in a public university, have you?

I don't agree with much of the way the system works in universities (one of the reasons I left) but that doesn't change the way things are in reality.

Anyway, we're going in circles here and getting nowhere.

Actually there is nothing tautological here(as of yet). I just NOW made the argument that the University system is what allows this to go on. For some odd reason you think I'm ignoring reality and living in some type of falsehood. I know what the reality is. The reality is that I probably will not be able to make it up. Does that mean I'm going to give you head? No. I'm still going to argue my point with anyone who disagrees and that's just how I am. It doesn't mean I don't "get it" just because I don't agree with you.

 

[Mill]

As for my major, I'm interested in how it matters. Are you saying that you can judge me based on my major? Not that I care. I'm a Criminal Justice Major who is switching to Business with a concentration in Operations. I've got one class left to have my minor in CJ, so I'm going to finish that and then transfer to the school business. Relevance?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill
The reason you are a Professor in the past is because you obviously couldn't teach or got raped on evals. I've had very good Professors at my school, so I know when someone is subpar. I'd like you to get me his e-mail address BTW. Since he is new this semester and it isn't on the syllabus. PLEASE go get it for me. No, your problem is that you are holier than I, and would have crossed all your I's and dotted all your T's. You've never had a life situation where you had to make choices, and you've never had bad luck. I'm obviously being sarcastic, but I can't help but belittle you for being that way. It isn't like I expect him to give me an A on the Quiz, but it will impact my grade. I'm asking to make up a quiz that I missed due to unfortunate circumstances. So, you are saying that if I was stopped at a roadblock and I was detained(let's say I looked like the suspect) you wouldn't let me take it either? He didn't ask for the reason I was at court.

Nope. My evaluations were the second highest in the department. I was getting in trouble with other professors because their students were coming to me for help. I quit to work in the private sector.

I let my students make up missed tests and quizzes so long as they either contacted me before the test/quiz OR their circumstances for missing the quiz were beyond their control. This does not apply to you. You knew ahead of time that you would be missing class because of your court appt but you failed to contact your professor about it. So you couldn't call him or email him, you still could have gone to his office and slipped a note under his door or gone to the dept office and asked that a note be placed in his mailbox.

I scored a B+ in a class, instead of A, because I missed turning in one homework assignment because I was gone for a funeral. I was pissed at first that the professor wouldn't accept it, then I realized I should have turned it in before I left or at least let him know I was going to be gone.

It isn't about being 'holier than thou'. It's about you realizing the world doesn't revolve around you, but you don't seem to be on track to realizing that anytime soon.

Again, he may be a crappy professor. Had you contacted him ahead of time and he refused to let you make it up, you would have my sympathy but, as it happened, you messed up.

I had no way of knowing we'd have a quiz on THAT day. As for contacting him... I did try to phone him to ask if I'd be missing anything important. Maybe it was my fault I didn't contact him another way. However, I've never had a single professor that wanted to be informed of an absence unless you were going to be missing a test or be gone for longer than a week. I find that completely unnecessary to do so, but I actually did in this event because I knew a quiz would be happening soon. Finally, when is the last time you sped, jaywalked, or did anything that was against the law. ANYTHING. Not like I robbed a liquor store and expect sympathy. I'm paying the fine and doing extra things as well related to it. That seems fair to me.

I don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

damn man..let it die.

These circumstances were not unexpected. Although you seem to heartfelt on proving your point, please understand that the world NOT revole around you. In addition, some people take it as far as not caring at all. If you would have mae it perfectly clear that you would not be there quite a bit beforehand, the teacher would have no leg to stand on in this situation In this case, because of your actions, you are the one who has nothing to stand on.

Now you know what most people either already know and apply or know and just ignore:

In school as in with any ongoing activity, be it schooling or work, you MUST notify your superirors beforehand of ANY abcesces so that you will absolve your responsibly for any immediate work to the highest extent available.


Live in learn.

Difference in a job and school is that my job pays me. I pay my school. I guess that means the school should be telling me when it will give tests then? Right? Fair is fair?

See, the whole problem is that so many people have put up with BS Profs for too long. Most Profs can act normal until they get tenure and then they turn into jerks. This guy doesn't have tenure. Sucks for him. This is so silly. If I took the quiz I'd do very well on it, but some of you think I should fail it just because. Not because I didn't know the material, but because I didn't put 100% effort into working a system that is arbitrary and ridiculous.

You''ll have to refresh my memory, but I really didn;t see many responses stating that people thought you should have failed it. At most I saww responses that stated something along the lines of "you deserved what you got."

As for school, it is your case a paid service. That service usually has regulations, stipulations, and sometimes allows for negotiation. Just because you paid a fee for a service does NOT entitle you to things that were not stipulated or were somewhat ambiguous.

Also, please refrain from insulting professors in general and DAGTA too. THat is just childish and ruins any hopes of an amicable and worthwhile end to this disccussion.

I am trying to help you.
DAGTA seems like he is tryign to help you.

You must realize that even in text, people have different facets of their lives. DAGTA is talking $$ because your brought up the subject, and incorrectly I might add, you are instantly labling him as ignorant and other thigns I will not repeat.


Basically, understand that the world is not ideal.

DIdn;t you think it pissed me off so many years ago when in CHEM they told me "oh, and forget the ideal gass law..it is only for ideal conditions that are rare..." I was as furious as you are nowthat I had been wasting so much time, but unlike your response, I calmly analyzed the situation and kept going.


The saying "everyone listentes to the calmest person in the room" isn;t exactly bullsh!t like all the other crap and rhetoric out htere.....

 

[T2T III]

Well, I selected:

Call the INS and tell them that motherfvcker tried to sell me drugs.

With some professors, there is little use, if any, in trying to get them to see your point. I had a professor that tought a religion class and it ended up being my only "C" that I received. He just about knocked me off the post in graduating with honors.

The pig poker that taught the course used to be a monk, so there was no reasoning with him. Ugh!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Mill
As for my major, I'm interested in how it matters. Are you saying that you can judge me based on my major? Not that I care. I'm a Criminal Justice Major who is switching to Business with a concentration in Operations. I've got one class left to have my minor in CJ, so I'm going to finish that and then transfer to the school business. Relevance?

Engineering majors have less time to bitch over which teacher sucks the most...we are busy doing calc and physics...

 

[DAGTA]

The point with asking your major is that, despite what a high school guidance counselor might have told you, not all majors are equal. Some are much easier than others. You made a point of saying you've had an easy time passing classes so far and so I was curious to know your major.