I've a got a @##$ rant for you

[Goosemaster]

dagta, what did you major in and what did you teach?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill
The reason you are a Professor in the past is because you obviously couldn't teach or got raped on evals. I've had very good Professors at my school, so I know when someone is subpar. I'd like you to get me his e-mail address BTW. Since he is new this semester and it isn't on the syllabus. PLEASE go get it for me. No, your problem is that you are holier than I, and would have crossed all your I's and dotted all your T's. You've never had a life situation where you had to make choices, and you've never had bad luck. I'm obviously being sarcastic, but I can't help but belittle you for being that way. It isn't like I expect him to give me an A on the Quiz, but it will impact my grade. I'm asking to make up a quiz that I missed due to unfortunate circumstances. So, you are saying that if I was stopped at a roadblock and I was detained(let's say I looked like the suspect) you wouldn't let me take it either? He didn't ask for the reason I was at court.

Nope. My evaluations were the second highest in the department. I was getting in trouble with other professors because their students were coming to me for help. I quit to work in the private sector.

I let my students make up missed tests and quizzes so long as they either contacted me before the test/quiz OR their circumstances for missing the quiz were beyond their control. This does not apply to you. You knew ahead of time that you would be missing class because of your court appt but you failed to contact your professor about it. So you couldn't call him or email him, you still could have gone to his office and slipped a note under his door or gone to the dept office and asked that a note be placed in his mailbox.

I scored a B+ in a class, instead of A, because I missed turning in one homework assignment because I was gone for a funeral. I was pissed at first that the professor wouldn't accept it, then I realized I should have turned it in before I left or at least let him know I was going to be gone.

It isn't about being 'holier than thou'. It's about you realizing the world doesn't revolve around you, but you don't seem to be on track to realizing that anytime soon.

Again, he may be a crappy professor. Had you contacted him ahead of time and he refused to let you make it up, you would have my sympathy but, as it happened, you messed up.

I had no way of knowing we'd have a quiz on THAT day. As for contacting him... I did try to phone him to ask if I'd be missing anything important. Maybe it was my fault I didn't contact him another way. However, I've never had a single professor that wanted to be informed of an absence unless you were going to be missing a test or be gone for longer than a week. I find that completely unnecessary to do so, but I actually did in this event because I knew a quiz would be happening soon. Finally, when is the last time you sped, jaywalked, or did anything that was against the law. ANYTHING. Not like I robbed a liquor store and expect sympathy. I'm paying the fine and doing extra things as well related to it. That seems fair to me.

I don't think everyone knows when they will be going to a funeral. I could understand if you knew ahead of time that there would be a major test and you had prior knowledge of the funeral. You obviously take your former job way too seriously. Unfortunately school is hardly a priority for most people when it comes to jail, funerals, etc. I think professors like you are what is wrong with Universities. I've had great teachers that have let me take Finals early so I could make my brother's graduation out of state, and I've had teachers let me make up significant amounts of work due to terrible circumstances. I didn't have to beg, plead or act as if their class was God either. Face it -- professors are not that important. I can easily drop his class and retake it, or I can settle for a B. Or I can talk to the Dean. Either way you won't win when it deals with something like this. Your argument is that you can't believe people don't worship college classes. Classes are a big joke at my school. I can't even see how you begin to say what you say. I've only had a HANDFUL of classes in which attendance was a prerequisite. I attended my sociology class less than 10 times last semester and made an A. Should she have failed me just because I didn't think her class was as important as my other ones? The GRADE and your KNOWLEDGE should be important, and not the whims of a Professor that only teachers because they are good at nothing else.

damn man..let it die.

These circumstances were not unexpected. Although you seem to heartfelt on proving your point, please understand that the world NOT revole around you. In addition, some people take it as far as not caring at all. If you would have mae it perfectly clear that you would not be there quite a bit beforehand, the teacher would have no leg to stand on in this situation In this case, because of your actions, you are the one who has nothing to stand on.

Now you know what most people either already know and apply or know and just ignore:

In school as in with any ongoing activity, be it schooling or work, you MUST notify your superirors beforehand of ANY abcesces so that you will absolve your responsibly for any immediate work to the highest extent available.


Live in learn.

Difference in a job and school is that my job pays me. I pay my school. I guess that means the school should be telling me when it will give tests then? Right? Fair is fair?

See, the whole problem is that so many people have put up with BS Profs for too long. Most Profs can act normal until they get tenure and then they turn into jerks. This guy doesn't have tenure. Sucks for him. This is so silly. If I took the quiz I'd do very well on it, but some of you think I should fail it just because. Not because I didn't know the material, but because I didn't put 100% effort into working a system that is arbitrary and ridiculous.

You''ll have to refresh my memory, but I really didn;t see many responses stating that people thought you should have failed it. At most I saww responses that stated something along the lines of "you deserved what you got."

As for school, it is your case a paid service. That service usually has regulations, stipulations, and sometimes allows for negotiation. Just because you paid a fee for a service does NOT entitle you to things that were not stipulated or were somewhat ambiguous.

Also, please refrain from insulting professors in general and DAGTA too. THat is just childish and ruins any hopes of an amicable and worthwhile end to this disccussion.

I am trying to help you.
DAGTA seems like he is tryign to help you.

You must realize that even in text, people have different facets of their lives. DAGTA is talking $$ because your brought up the subject, and incorrectly I might add, you are instantly labling him as ignorant and other thigns I will not repeat.


Basically, understand that the world is not ideal.

DIdn;t you think it pissed me off so many years ago when in CHEM they told me "oh, and forget the ideal gass law..it is only for ideal conditions that are rare..." I was as furious as you are nowthat I had been wasting so much time, but unlike your response, I calmly analyzed the situation and kept going.


The saying "everyone listentes to the calmest person in the room" isn;t exactly bullsh!t like all the other crap and rhetoric out htere.....

You keep saying I'm not being reasonable because of how the system works. I say that I have a problem with the system and that it needs to be changed. I have every right to insult DAGTA, because he/she has done the same to me. That's life. You insult me and insult you back. I completely understand the reality of the situation, but that doesn't mean I will just give up and so oh well. In fact, I love to be challenged and to have to break the barriers when I do something. My favorites thing is for someone to tell me I just cannot do something because that is not the way it works(in a reasonable manner and not something illegal). I'm stubborn and I believe in my right to exercise all options or even create new options. You and DAGTA are telling me to lay down because that's how the "system" works. The "system" will not change if everyone just lies down. I don't lie down for anyone. That's how I am. I'd like to know how I"m not being calm. It is obvious that my OP and Poll was completely hyperbolic and comedic. What have I done that was so unhinged? Because I won't back down?

"As for school, it is your case a paid service. That service usually has regulations, stipulations, and sometimes allows for negotiation. Just because you paid a fee for a service does NOT entitle you to things that were not stipulated or were somewhat ambiguous."

Ambiguity entitles me to do whatever the fvck I want until I find an answer. What prevents me from talking to someone higher up? Why shouldn't I do that? What regulations, stipulations, etc are you talking about? I'm going to University and not setting up a 401(k) or a trust for a Mobster. It isn't complex and doesn't require me to pull out a 500 page contract. The best way to get clarification on the issue is to talk to someone with the power to overrule a decision I find unjust. I'm sorry you have a problem with that, but I'm an American and I have the freedom to do so.

DAGTA and you are both saying the same thing. I should just lay down and take it because I didn't do 1007 things exactly right. Hell no. I have the right to dispute it and I will. Why shouldn't I?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
dagta, what did you major in and what did you teach?

Computer Science for both.

 

[DAGTA]

Mill, I'm not telling you not to stand up for yourself when you feel you've been wronged. There are many problems in the way public universities are run and you should stand up for yourself when you encounter those problems.

The difference here is that I think you are in the wrong. You are the one that messed up here, not the professor. That is the basis for my disagreement.

 

[Ulrezaj]

I don't know the specifics of your University policy but I can say this:
You are expected to attend all classes. Sure, you have the choice not to, but failing to show up and, in your case, missing a quiz is entirely your responsibility. Unless specifically stated otherwise, those are part of the terms of your enrollment. I doubt you will find anywhere in those forms you put your signature to when you agreed to abide by the rules of your college, a clause that states that professors have to inform you before giving out a quiz worth marks. Sure, you pay the school to give you an education. However you are also under agreement with them, that their policy rules over your duration there. And that includes the perogative of professors not to allow you to make up a quiz you missed, especially when you didn't warn him beforehand of your absence. If you don't like their rules, you're always free to leave. If instead you choose to accept the laws and regulations of your college, then drop the issue and stop whining.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: bleeb
Go to higher powers dawg. Go to the CEO & President of the university. If that doesn't work, go to the highest power, GOD.

heh

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
The point with asking your major is that, despite what a high school guidance counselor might have told you, not all majors are equal. Some are much easier than others. You made a point of saying you've had an easy time passing classes so far and so I was curious to know your major.

You act as if I'm a typical student. I didn't have to have a guidance counselor "guide" me to where I wanted to go. I received a scholarship for my major out of state and went for awhile. My situation changed and I left. I was accepted into all schools I applied to except for one(I missed the deadline and was wait listed). Vanderbilt accepted me, Samford, Birmingham Southern, UAB, and Mississippi State. I might have applied to Emory as well, but I can't really remember. Auburn was the school that wait-listed me. I realize that some majors are easier, but I wouldn't go into a major that I had zero strength in. I purposely didn't become a math major, because math is NOT my strongest skill. I didn't do anything with biology or chem because I find them both to be boring. That's just my opinion. I find the law and business to be both easy and exciting. That's why I'm choosing the path I'm choosing. I'm not saying I won't have a hard class in college, but don't act as if I have to be taking remedial classes to be having an easy time.

My HS was incredibly tough, and I have a friend from that HS that goes to the same University as I. He has agree with me on numerous occasions that neither one of us has had a class that was harder than HS. I didn't just "sneak" into college because my parents wanted me to and forced me to go to a state school. I went because I need that little piece of paper. I haven't had hard classes. My friend hasn't. He is a Senior now(or should be in the Fall). He has had classes that were tough, but none as bad as HS. I did the IB program, so the stress of school is not much. I don't, however, like losing 7.5% of my grade because the Professor is an Ebay Scammer.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Mill I don't, however, like losing 7.5% of my grade because the Professor is an Ebay Scammer.

I know I always lost 7.5% of my grade whenever my professors where Ebay Scammers.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj
I don't know the specifics of your University policy but I can say this:
You are expected to attend all classes. Sure, you have the choice not to, but failing to show up and, in your case, missing a quiz is entirely your responsibility. Unless specifically stated otherwise, those are part of the terms of your enrollment. I doubt you will find anywhere in those forms you put your signature to when you agreed to abide by the rules of your college, a clause that states that professors have to inform you before giving out a quiz worth marks. Sure, you pay the school to give you an education. However you are also under agreement with them, that their policy rules over your duration there. And that includes the perogative of professors not to allow you to make up a quiz you missed, especially when you didn't warn him beforehand of your absence. If you don't like their rules, you're always free to leave. If instead you choose to accept the laws and regulations of your college, then drop the issue and stop whining.

Right... so I have to just shut up because you say so? That's fine if it is a rule/regulation and it says I can't. it is fine if the Professor has sole discretion. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T FIGHT IT. Get it through your thick fvcking skulls. I understand the reality of the situation, but it doesn't mean I'm going to take it in the ass just because some of you say to. Why should I drop the issue? Give me a single issue why. I pay to have someone in a higher position of authority. There is a reason there is an ombudsman, department head, or dean. I have a RIGHT to talk to them about it, and a RIGHT to ask them to intervene.

 

[Mill]

In reading through my school's math department website, they have the syllabi of several professors up. The de-facto standard is to NOT allow quiz make-ups, but they have reasons why. In one class the quizzes are worth 2%. In another the lowest quiz score is dropped. Fact is, it isn't departmental policy, but simply the policy of this teacher. I should mention that I found out he is a Graduate Student and thus isn't really going to be able to put up a fight.

 

[Ulrezaj]

Sure, and if they also follow the rules of the college, which I would imagine all of them do, they'll tell you the same thing we've been saying: too bad, your fault.

edit: And so if it's the college's policy to leave it to the discretion of the the professor, then he hath spoken.

 

[Mill]

In reading through my school's math department website, they have the syllabi of several professors up. The de-facto standard is to NOT allow quiz make-ups, but they have reasons why. In one class the quizzes are worth 2%. In another the lowest quiz score is dropped. Fact is, it isn't departmental policy, but simply the policy of this teacher. I should mention that I found out he is a Graduate Student and thus isn't really going to be able to put up a fight.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj
Sure, and if they also follow the rules of the college, which I would imagine all of them do, they'll tell you the same thing we've been saying: too bad, your fault.

edit: And so if it's the college's policy to leave it to the discretion of the the professor, then he hath spoken.

Too bad I can still talk to the Dean.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: MillI should mention that I found out he is a Graduate Student and thus isn't really going to be able to put up a fight.

:laugh: He has more pull than you.

Do you, yet, understand that your stance is that the professor should be at your whim because you pay for the university? I guess he should let all of the students tell him what to do everyday. Why stop there? Why not just have all classes canceled and he gives everyone an automatic A?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj
Sure, and if they also follow the rules of the college, which I would imagine all of them do, they'll tell you the same thing we've been saying: too bad, your fault.

edit: And so if it's the college's policy to leave it to the discretion of the the professor, then he hath spoken.

Too bad I can still talk to the Dean.

If the Dean even grants you an appointment, what exactly do you think he/she is going to do other than tell you you are in the wrong and possibly laugh at you after you leave?

 

[Ulrezaj]

The Dean will say something like this: "In-class policy is up to the teacher, unless it either infringes on your legal rights or the rules of the college. Unless his rules interfere with either of these, stop wasting my time."

 

[DrPizza]

Work your way up the ladder.. Dean... then maybe ombudsman (not sure if he'd apply in this case though)

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj
The Dean will say something like this: "In-class policy is up to the teacher, unless it either infringes on your legal rights or the rules of the college. Unless his rules interfere with either of these, stop wasting my time."

So what returning member are you? I find it odd that a junior member is this ballsy.

 

[verni]

soo...u knew u werent gonna be there.....u didnt tell ur prof...and now its his fault....dude get over it its your fault

you have said the same thing..what ....fifty times now ?....we get ur point but the reason we keep arguing is because u dont seem to accept our opinions...u started a thread here...asking for opinions and we gave you our truthful ones....suck it up...not everything has to go ur way and there is no way in hell that we have to think the same way that you do....we have said our opinions

if u choose to take it up the ass...fine...if not ...fine .....we dont realy care what you do but dont ever insult somone just because of their opinion

and finallly can i just say ...high school is over...its in the past...whoosh ...gone ! .....no one cares about high school !

 

[Ulrezaj]

Originally posted by: Mill
So what returning member are you? I find it odd that a junior member is this ballsy.

Do you find it odd that a junior member understands basic college regulations and logic?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj

Originally posted by: Mill
So what returning member are you? I find it odd that a junior member is this ballsy.

Do you find it odd that a junior member understands basic college regulations and logic?

So what is your logic then? Because a regulation exists it can't be challenged? Basic college regulations? It isn't even a School or Departmental policy. Really...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ulrezaj
Sure, and if they also follow the rules of the college, which I would imagine all of them do, they'll tell you the same thing we've been saying: too bad, your fault.

edit: And so if it's the college's policy to leave it to the discretion of the the professor, then he hath spoken.

Too bad I can still talk to the Dean.

If the Dean even grants you an appointment, what exactly do you think he/she is going to do other than tell you you are in the wrong and possibly laugh at you after you leave?

That's fine if he does. At least I tried. I'm not expecting him to agree with me or grant me a miracle.

 

[Mill]

Amazing at all the junior members that registered just for this thread!

 

[remagavon]

Uhh... right. You acted as if you knew my position in school or that of my University. You then proceeded to call ME ignorant about how Universities work. HELLO!!! I have a much better idea about how my University works than you do. You were the one ignorant of the truth on the matter and not I. I never said anything about stupidity. BTW, most people would say ignorance and stupidity are synonyms. Try much harder next time when you want to lecture me about Vocabulary.

Seriously; you honestly think that ignorance and stupidity are synonyms? I guess along with Math english isn't your forte either. Did you actually go and read the definiton? DAGTA has been correct in basically everything he's said, and he has experience to back it up. In high school you're allowed to make up things if you miss a day, maybe not in yours (being SO difficult), but that's the way it worked in my school. HELLO!. College is not like that, especially since you're not a freshman you should know to EMAIL your teacher saying that you won't be in class, unless you're going to a school where nobody has computers. Emails are timestamped, and you would then have grounds for a case against the professor. You called once to ask if you were going to miss anything, not to say you wouldn't be there, which is how it is supposed to work. That's not stupid, that's ignorant. That is not an insult; obviously you don't understand proper etiquette with regards to a professor.

You flew through high school even though it was hard? Good for you. Learn to not be a d!ck, then maybe you'll really get someplace. Posting on here about it with those ridiculous poll options is ludicrous given your situation. You are absolutely in the wrong for not getting in touch with the professor, especially since you had plent of notice that you were going to be absent.

Respond with 'fvck' all you want, but if you'd stop and think for a minute maybe you'd see where I'm coming from.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Uhh... right. You acted as if you knew my position in school or that of my University. You then proceeded to call ME ignorant about how Universities work. HELLO!!! I have a much better idea about how my University works than you do. You were the one ignorant of the truth on the matter and not I. I never said anything about stupidity. BTW, most people would say ignorance and stupidity are synonyms. Try much harder next time when you want to lecture me about Vocabulary.

Seriously; you honestly think that ignorance and stupidity are synonyms? I guess along with Math english isn't your forte either. Did you actually go and read the definiton? DAGTA has been correct in basically everything he's said, and he has experience to back it up. In high school you're allowed to make up things if you miss a day, maybe not in yours (being SO difficult), but that's the way it worked in my school. HELLO!. College is not like that, especially since you're not a freshman you should know to EMAIL your teacher saying that you won't be in class, unless you're going to a school where nobody has computers. Emails are timestamped, and you would then have grounds for a case against the professor. You called once to ask if you were going to miss anything, not to say you wouldn't be there, which is how it is supposed to work. That's not stupid, that's ignorant. That is not an insult; obviously you don't understand proper etiquette with regards to a professor.

You flew through high school even though it was hard? Good for you. Learn to not be a d!ck, then maybe you'll really get someplace. Posting on here about it with those ridiculous poll options is ludicrous given your situation. You are absolutely in the wrong for not getting in touch with the professor, especially since you had plent of notice that you were going to be absent.

Respond with 'fvck' all you want, but if you'd stop and think for a minute maybe you'd see where I'm coming from.

I'm a Sophomore actually. I already said my Poll and OP were hyperbolic. It is a rant after all. I never said I flew through HS either. I simply said it prepared me for college and that I haven't had a class as hard as HS yet. Read the thread and you can understand that. I didn't say I was without blame, but that I felt my circumstances were reasonable for the Professor to let me make-up the exam. Most people have agreed with that actually...

I don't care about the whole e-mail/call issue. It still doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Ignorance and stupidity are synonyms.

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