Is saving yourself for marriage usually because...

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete
For guys...most likely...

For girls...no

I know some pretty fugly chicks. Nice people, but I'm not gonna grind with them....

 

[seemingly random]

Fundies arguing amongst themselves about who's more fundie. Now that's some scary entertainment.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: loki8481
I had a guy friend who was saving himself for marriage... he was reasonably attractive (not my type, but I've seen him get hit-on in bars and I see the way some of my straight female friends look at him), but came from a religious (catholic) family.

I'm pretty sure he broke down when he was 28, though. I don't know for sure, because I don't talk about sex with my breeder friends, it's just weird and awkward on both sides of the conversation, but if I had to guess, I'm near positive that he hooked up with a mutual friend's sister.

Quoted for ban-age.

Bannage? Why?

Because it's a pejorative term homosexuals use to describe heterosexuals. Basically, saying that all a heterosexual person is good for is breeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

Now, if I had said "my f*ggot friends", there would be an uproar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: loki8481
I had a guy friend who was saving himself for marriage... he was reasonably attractive (not my type, but I've seen him get hit-on in bars and I see the way some of my straight female friends look at him), but came from a religious (catholic) family.

I'm pretty sure he broke down when he was 28, though. I don't know for sure, because I don't talk about sex with my breeder friends, it's just weird and awkward on both sides of the conversation, but if I had to guess, I'm near positive that he hooked up with a mutual friend's sister.

Quoted for ban-age.

Bannage? Why?

Because it's a pejorative term homosexuals use to describe heterosexuals. Basically, saying that all a heterosexual person is good for is breeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

Now, if I had said "my f*ggot friends", there would be an uproar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

jeff fail at subtext

it was pretty obvious reading the post lol

as for saving, its a load of sh*t. she can make you wait if she thinks you can't do better sure, thats just a power thing. and with todays divorce rate, who are you kidding if you believe in that sorta thing and get divorced, u better not marry again or be a total hypocrite about the whole thing. the whole thing comes from the past when people didn't have the means to prevent pregnancy. and men feared raising other mens children so they had to control their women by any means necessary which led to them being treated like property.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: loki8481
I had a guy friend who was saving himself for marriage... he was reasonably attractive (not my type, but I've seen him get hit-on in bars and I see the way some of my straight female friends look at him), but came from a religious (catholic) family.

I'm pretty sure he broke down when he was 28, though. I don't know for sure, because I don't talk about sex with my breeder friends, it's just weird and awkward on both sides of the conversation, but if I had to guess, I'm near positive that he hooked up with a mutual friend's sister.

Quoted for ban-age.

Bannage? Why?

Because it's a pejorative term homosexuals use to describe heterosexuals. Basically, saying that all a heterosexual person is good for is breeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

Now, if I had said "my f*ggot friends", there would be an uproar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

jeff fail at subtext

it was pretty obvious reading the post lol

as for saving, its a load of sh*t. she can make you wait if she thinks you can't do better sure, thats just a power thing. and with todays divorce rate, who are you kidding if you believe in that sorta thing and get divorced, u better not marry again or be a total hypocrite about the whole thing. the whole thing comes from the past when people didn't have the means to prevent pregnancy. and men feared raising other mens children so they had to control their women by any means necessary which led to them being treated like property.

guess what?

Obama is smarter than you.





...and all of your kin-folk.

fucking rednecks.

(response to sig; b/c the text I'm quoting here actually makes sense )

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: kstu

Originally posted by: classy
I wish i had of waited.

I wish you had of gone to school.

:beer:

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Mahaguru
I was a virgin before I got married. Before I got married in college, I used to have girls beg me to have sex with them. I would get atleast 6-10 calls per week from girls who wanted to "hang out" or "watch a movie together because their roommate was gone", or some other similar excuse to just get me alone with them. I am talking about girls who were at least a 9, if not a 10. Ok well, some were 8s also, but just a few. A few times, I would have 2 of these girls call me just because they wanted me so bad. I would always say no, because my mind was clear and my conscious was alive. I was saving myself for the special someone I would marry, and I considered "hanging out" cheating on her. Even though I had never met her before, I knew I would meet her some day. And after all those years, I am glad I did it. Just to be clear though, most calls were on the weekends, with a few on weekdays.

But college days were rediculous. I was the envy of all my friends that girls would call me for "hanging out", rather than the opposite. This not only made my male friends envious, but also my female friends, some of whom flat out asked me to have sex with them because the attraction of other girls attracted them to me. Again, I would say no.

suuuuuuuure

Yeah that's the 'story' people that didn't really do anything in college like to tell. I like at reunions the guys that everyone knew didn't tap crap start talking about back in the day how many girls they were tapping.

Most guys outside celebrity like ones (President, Quarterback, actor, etc) will have at most 2-3 chicks that have just been gagging for it and they said no. I have been there, when I was younger and just starting to study biology + having my mom in OB/GYN nursing at the time, I would make out and stuff but I was afraid to have sex...that passed pretty quick around 17ish.

Looking back it's a bit embarrassing and I have ran in to a few of those chicks out and about. We were friendly, but I know in the back of their mind they were wondering 'when the fuck did he figure out a woman?'.

dude.

You wouldn't believe the chicas macking on me back in my sophomore year. Hell, I was a freshman and two of them asked me to the senior-fucking-prom! Can you believe that shit?!

Hell, I went anyway! You know, to make them happy. Then I told them, "nah, I don't do the beer thing."
Also, "You're cute and all, but even though this is prom night, and you're a hot-ass senior that's cooler than my left foot, I'm saving myself for something better! No offense, but my God/spiritual guru/gym teacher/great Gazoo/Twinkie told me that, 'Better things await me if I abstain and 'save myself,'' whatever that means.

...But you're cool though babe!! Yeah!! Right on!!"

yeah...High school ruled!!

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Casawi
I am not a virgin but I think it would have been a great experience to share with someone special. I've had sex with several girls, and now I met someone (who I think is the one) from Morocco where girls almost always save themselves for marriage. I feel that it is somewhat unfair, I don't deserve her as much...I don't really how to explain it, but I wish I was a virgin for her... but again that sex from 16-24 was great stuff man ...lol
Now I know I am not getting any until we're married, if we do.

Shakespeare hates your emo poetry.

WHo the F is Shakespeare.

The guy whose parents use his money to buy him a condo sight unseen in Morocco.

Alrighty...you call far too many people out for "spending their lives on AT" to make a comment such as this.











posterity is a bitch.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Perhaps you could give me a reference as to what you are talking about. And I never said the we are any more/less sinners after marriage.

Also I don't appreciate you flaming me-- I haven't said a single negative thing about any person in this thread, and I would appreciate the same respect.

-Kevin

I am sorry, but I have a huge problem with Christians (and any zealot) that spews the I am better than thou doctrine and they don't even know WTF they are regurgitating.

I personally feel a child should not be able to pick a religion or be influenced by one until they are 12/13.

The majority of the followers out there in any religion have Santa Claus syndrome.

I think sexuality in the Bible was skewed by wanting taxes/tithes/virgins/etc.


anyway...if you really want to understand the bible read the history of the day at the same time. Contrast and compare what was happening in history vs the 'story'. Think about the financial reach of each character vs the 'story'. Think about the rules given and then what each character did in the 'story'.

I have found there is tons of contradictions. Also I have come to a conclusion that the islamic, christian, jewish, buddist, etc faiths are all very intertwined and probably sprang out of egyptian beliefs...but such discussion is not suited for general forums as too many of the brainwashed just barf dogma.

Well point out to me where, I have ever spewed the "I am better than thou"? In fact, I believe I say throughout the thread that I am not perfect and that I make the same mistakes everyone else does.

Additionally, what makes you believe that I don't know what I am talking about? I have argued this thread and many others with supporting books (Other than the Bible), as well as scriptural evidence. I'm only boasting in what the Lord has shown me, but it seems to me that I know at least something.

I have found there is tons of contradictions. Also I have come to a conclusion that the islamic, christian, jewish, buddist, etc faiths are all very intertwined and probably sprang out of egyptian beliefs...but such discussion is not suited for general forums as too many of the brainwashed just barf dogma.

The Bible has been scrutinized by scholars and others for thousands of years and nobody has found contradictions or ways to prove it wrong yet. If you have found merely a single way it contradicts itself, I would be more than happy to hear it and discuss perhaps my take on it.

As for intertwined, the only intertwined part about these faiths is that they are all monotheistic and try to embody the same characteristics among their followers (Compassion, Dutifulness, etc...). There are so many ways that Christianity is so different from any of these other religions.

It's a touchy thing really...

They said the Old Covenant was eternal.

Perhaps the biggest supporter of that though is:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ?He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.? (Matthew 15:4-7)

?Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and ?For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

So to sum it up I guess...

"He who keepeth the whole law, but offend it in one point, is guilty of all (James 2:10)."

Well first off, there may be a better translation than curse. Attack is a better word. Additionally, Jesus wasn't telling, based on my studying of that verse the Pharisees they needed to kill their children. Their children weren't even brought up at all. In this case he was reprimanding them for tithing (Giving corban) as an excuse to ignore their parents.

As for the first 2 passages, perhaps, a better way to look at it is not that they are invalid rather that they are fulfilled. For sacrifices, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. He died to fulfill all of those laws for eternity.

As for the last verse you quotes; that is absolutely true. James 2:10 could not be any clearer. If you sin at all, even a simple lie, you are just as guilty, in God's eyes, as the man who has committed adultery. It is all sin in God's eyes; however, it is humans who put weight to the sin.

The beautiful thing about all of this is that even though we sin, God never keeps track. Just like the prodigals son, "we are lost but now we are found; dead but now alive". He welcomes us with open arms, the only thing we need to do, just as the son did, is ask.

-Kevin

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
To put it nicely, that whole post is utterly full of crap. You go to my parents, my grandparents, or friends, etc, and try and tell them that. It won't fly.

:roll:

You're talking as if I care that any of them don't want to admit they're in denial about the world.

If they want to remain ignorant, I could give a damn. Let 'em. I'm answering the OP's question.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: kinev
Because it's a pejorative term homosexuals use to describe heterosexuals. Basically, saying that all a heterosexual person is good for is breeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

Now, if I had said "my f*ggot friends", there would be an uproar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Interesting, I'd never heard that term used in that fashion before.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: kinev
Because it's a pejorative term homosexuals use to describe heterosexuals. Basically, saying that all a heterosexual person is good for is breeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

Now, if I had said "my f*ggot friends", there would be an uproar. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Interesting, I'd never heard that term used in that fashion before.

dudes missing the point. its not said in the same way. no one goes breeder bashing for instance.
bands of gays dont go out drunk to smash some breeder baits face in for kicks. and if he didn't notice, even his link mentions its used regardless of sexual orientation. for instance career gal/guy resentfully refers to their child toting friends as breeders.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm sure if I went to parties and what not I'm sure it wouldn't take too long. I am saving myself for that one special girl whom God has planned for me in my life-- and it is going to be worth the wait I'm sure

Yeah...good luck with that.

Worked out quite well for my brother. And two of my friends. And my cousins. And my parents too. And some other friends. And some other people I know. Need me to go on?

Are you Gamingphreek too?

Nope, but apparently he and I share similar views about these things.

ok...just a word to the wise...until you have been there and done it, you are just working on hearsay.

Unless of course your virgin ass was running the video.

I am sure those dudes could also run down every name and description of each chick they banged too.

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I had a guy friend who was saving himself for marriage... he was reasonably attractive (not my type, but I've seen him get hit-on in bars and I see the way some of my straight female friends look at him), but came from a religious (catholic) family.

I'm pretty sure he broke down when he was 28, though. I don't know for sure, because I don't talk about sex with my breeder friends, it's just weird and awkward on both sides of the conversation, but if I had to guess, I'm near positive that he hooked up with a mutual friend's sister.

I hadn't heard this one and got quite a kick out of it. It make perfect sense. I'm secure enough in my lifestyle to not be offended.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

Yeah because around Christmas dinner the topic of the night is who haven't we fucked right?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

Yeah because around Christmas dinner the topic of the night is who haven't we fucked right?

:roll:

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
relevant?

ROFL... where the hell did that come from?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well point out to me where, I have ever spewed the "I am better than thou"? In fact, I believe I say throughout the thread that I am not perfect and that I make the same mistakes everyone else does.

Additionally, what makes you believe that I don't know what I am talking about? I have argued this thread and many others with supporting books (Other than the Bible), as well as scriptural evidence. I'm only boasting in what the Lord has shown me, but it seems to me that I know at least something.

The Bible has been scrutinized by scholars and others for thousands of years and nobody has found contradictions or ways to prove it wrong yet. If you have found merely a single way it contradicts itself, I would be more than happy to hear it and discuss perhaps my take on it.

As for intertwined, the only intertwined part about these faiths is that they are all monotheistic and try to embody the same characteristics among their followers (Compassion, Dutifulness, etc...). There are so many ways that Christianity is so different from any of these other religions.

It's a touchy thing really...

They said the Old Covenant was eternal.

Perhaps the biggest supporter of that though is:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ?He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.? (Matthew 15:4-7)

?Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and ?For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

So to sum it up I guess...

"He who keepeth the whole law, but offend it in one point, is guilty of all (James 2:10)."

Well first off, there may be a better translation than curse. Attack is a better word. Additionally, Jesus wasn't telling, based on my studying of that verse the Pharisees they needed to kill their children. Their children weren't even brought up at all. In this case he was reprimanding them for tithing (Giving corban) as an excuse to ignore their parents.

As for the first 2 passages, perhaps, a better way to look at it is not that they are invalid rather that they are fulfilled. For sacrifices, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. He died to fulfill all of those laws for eternity.

As for the last verse you quotes; that is absolutely true. James 2:10 could not be any clearer. If you sin at all, even a simple lie, you are just as guilty, in God's eyes, as the man who has committed adultery. It is all sin in God's eyes; however, it is humans who put weight to the sin.

The beautiful thing about all of this is that even though we sin, God never keeps track. Just like the prodigals son, "we are lost but now we are found; dead but now alive". He welcomes us with open arms, the only thing we need to do, just as the son did, is ask.

-Kevin

First the biggest problem the bible and like works has is the telephone game was played in passing it along. Second it's well known certain rulers modified books under their rules.


Adultery for the most part has to do with someone messing around with a married person [pretty much exclusively referring to a man screwed his neighbor's wife], it was never really forbidden that a married man can't find single women. Some of the new testament has these contradictions though.

You are wrong that no one has found contradictions. The problem is the contradictions are not acknowledged. It's not going to do me a lot of good explaining this because ultimately you'd just pull the 'leap of faith' card and negate anything I say because "that's not what God said".

I grew up in a religious household...I learned to seriously question religion when it seemed no matter what branch of christians I witnessed, none really followed what the bible had said. As I looked at history at the same time I found much of what was described in the bible didn't make sense. I even took a New Testament course at the college level (non-religious) and learned even more of things that probably didn't really happen the way it was 'written'.

The easiest end game though is just asking a Christian how come almost all their holidays and holy days were relabeled from mostly pagan religions...

The debate really can just focus on that and through proxy negate everything else since the foundation was built on one of the biggest shell games in history.

 

[meltdown75]

"saving myself for marriage" is something guys say when they can't get any poontang.

for chicks, it means they smell like fish down there, and the guy that marries them is in for a nasty surprise.

for both of the above, when they say God is "saving someone for them", it reminds me of "100 virgins waiting for me in heaven" in a different religion.

get it while its hot. that's my motto.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
"saving myself for marriage" is something guys say when they can't get any poontang.

for chicks, it means they smell like fish down there, and the guy that marries them is in for a nasty surprise.

for both of the above, when they say God is "saving someone for them", it reminds me of "100 virgins waiting for me in heaven" in a different religion.

get it while its hot. that's my motto.

Actually it's

Guys: good liars

Girls: bad liars.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

Yeah because around Christmas dinner the topic of the night is who haven't we fucked right?

:roll:

so how do you know for sure?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: hiromizu
relevant?

ROFL... where the hell did that come from?

women dig me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well point out to me where, I have ever spewed the "I am better than thou"? In fact, I believe I say throughout the thread that I am not perfect and that I make the same mistakes everyone else does.

Additionally, what makes you believe that I don't know what I am talking about? I have argued this thread and many others with supporting books (Other than the Bible), as well as scriptural evidence. I'm only boasting in what the Lord has shown me, but it seems to me that I know at least something.

The Bible has been scrutinized by scholars and others for thousands of years and nobody has found contradictions or ways to prove it wrong yet. If you have found merely a single way it contradicts itself, I would be more than happy to hear it and discuss perhaps my take on it.

As for intertwined, the only intertwined part about these faiths is that they are all monotheistic and try to embody the same characteristics among their followers (Compassion, Dutifulness, etc...). There are so many ways that Christianity is so different from any of these other religions.

It's a touchy thing really...

They said the Old Covenant was eternal.

Perhaps the biggest supporter of that though is:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ?He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.? (Matthew 15:4-7)

?Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and ?For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

So to sum it up I guess...

"He who keepeth the whole law, but offend it in one point, is guilty of all (James 2:10)."

Well first off, there may be a better translation than curse. Attack is a better word. Additionally, Jesus wasn't telling, based on my studying of that verse the Pharisees they needed to kill their children. Their children weren't even brought up at all. In this case he was reprimanding them for tithing (Giving corban) as an excuse to ignore their parents.

As for the first 2 passages, perhaps, a better way to look at it is not that they are invalid rather that they are fulfilled. For sacrifices, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. He died to fulfill all of those laws for eternity.

As for the last verse you quotes; that is absolutely true. James 2:10 could not be any clearer. If you sin at all, even a simple lie, you are just as guilty, in God's eyes, as the man who has committed adultery. It is all sin in God's eyes; however, it is humans who put weight to the sin.

The beautiful thing about all of this is that even though we sin, God never keeps track. Just like the prodigals son, "we are lost but now we are found; dead but now alive". He welcomes us with open arms, the only thing we need to do, just as the son did, is ask.

-Kevin

First the biggest problem the bible and like works has is the telephone game was played in passing it along. Second it's well known certain rulers modified books under their rules.


Adultery for the most part has to do with someone messing around with a married person [pretty much exclusively referring to a man screwed his neighbor's wife], it was never really forbidden that a married man can't find single women. Some of the new testament has these contradictions though.

You are wrong that no one has found contradictions. The problem is the contradictions are not acknowledged. It's not going to do me a lot of good explaining this because ultimately you'd just pull the 'leap of faith' card and negate anything I say because "that's not what God said".

I grew up in a religious household...I learned to seriously question religion when it seemed no matter what branch of christians I witnessed, none really followed what the bible had said. As I looked at history at the same time I found much of what was described in the bible didn't make sense. I even took a New Testament course at the college level (non-religious) and learned even more of things that probably didn't really happen the way it was 'written'.

The easiest end game though is just asking a Christian how come almost all their holidays and holy days were relabeled from mostly pagan religions...

The debate really can just focus on that and through proxy negate everything else since the foundation was built on one of the biggest shell games in history.

I don't mean to come off rude, but your first paragraph is completely incorrect. The dead sea scrolls are dated before 100AD. When translated, they provide the exact same text that is in our Bibles today. This proves that they have not been modified or tampered with over the years.

As for your second paragraph that is also incorrect. It is stated throughout the Bible that the covenant of marriage is the only way someone is allowed to have sexual relations with someone. For more proof, lust is something mentioned throughout the Bible (Ephesians and Corinthians are very strong in this). Lust is defined as the act of physically desiring something that is not theirs. Unless you are married, that woman (In a man's case) is not yours (And by yours I certainly do not mean property, ladies )

Going onto your third paragraph I don't know what to say. You constantly tell me what I am GOING to say so you don't have to back up your argument with evidence. If you want to discuss this topic, I am more than happy to discuss it with you. I love talking with people about their beliefs. But you need to back it up if desire to continue this discussion.

New Testament courses are certainly not the place to try and grow in your faith. Additionally, if the Christians you have met haven't followed the book that they believe in, then why do you consider them true Christians. Why do you base an entire religion on the acts of the people who don't embody it.

I pray that I haven't been lumped into that category by any of my actions in this thread. If you have noticed something I could hold myself accountable to moreso, by all means tell me. But throughout these threads I have been striving to present a pure Christian perspective. I seriously will not be offended if anyone has noticed something that I can improve upon and study-- I yearn to grow in my faith.

The Christian holidays are actually kind of tricky. From what I understand (And I am no expert, so I could be wrong), but they are celebrated on the same dates as pagan holidays; HOWEVER, the events we are celebrating occurred no where near those dates. For instance, we celebrate Christmas (Roman equivalent is Saturnalia), yet Jesus was born in the Spring and Summer months. I wouldn't quabble over dates we celebrate our holidays.

As for your last paragraph, I really am sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Alk, I realize you are passionate about what you believe (Which is fine), but, seriously, can you stop accusing others in here of being liars and cheats when they state their views on this subject when it differs from yours. It does nobody, including the forums and the thread any good.

-Kevin

 

[alkemyst]

Dead sea scrolls were not the complete text also it was never said they were an exact word to word translation. You also fail to understand old test. vs new test. You fail to understand all places where a man and woman's relationships were discussed and then the historical descriptions of who was actually with who.

I was never trying to grow FAITH. For faith you don't need anything, that is the beauty of it and why religion was widespread so easily. I don't think you really understand this at all and are simply extending what was ingrained into as a child. You may as well be telling us you know Santa Claus exists.

Such an expert as yourself should understand the holidays coming from Pagan and other beliefs, right. Oh that's right, this is the part no one discusses and will not discuss. Like easter and esp the thing's that happened to Jesus. I mean even though Jesus' coming and events in his life should have been enough to remake certain holidays..."Let's just keep the ones 'they' already have as we need to get as much buy-in on this story"...

Oh...there wasn't enough buy-in....let's just kill everyone that doesn't agree...people will accept our nice christian message easier that way. I mean we are just helping to save them after all.

 

[Fenixgoon]

practicality? ie, guaranteeing that you won't have kids before you want to?