Is saving yourself for marriage usually because...

[Gamingphreek]

Look Alk, I am trying to hold a civil discussion here with you and it seems that you are looking for an argument or trying to make me fall at every step of the way. If you want to discuss this- FINE. If not, I would very much appreciate you not putting words in my mouth and bashing my beliefs.

Dead sea scrolls were not the complete text also it was never said they were an exact word to word translation. You also fail to understand old test. vs new test. You fail to understand all places where a man and woman's relationships were discussed and then the historical descriptions of who was actually with who.

The meanings from the passage are all the same. The translations may differ as connotations differ throughout time, but the books remain themselves in their entirety.

You tell me everything I fail at, yet you don't tell me how! HOW have I failed to understand the OT and NT text? HOW have I failed to understand relationships?? It is pretty clear throughout the Bible what it says on pre-marital sex. For instance:

Exodus 22:16-17, Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (Deals with sleeping together before and after marriage), Hebrews 13:4, 1 Timorthy 5:2. I don't think I need to go on. Each and every single one of the verses reinforces my point!

I was never trying to grow FAITH. For faith you don't need anything, that is the beauty of it and why religion was widespread so easily. I don't think you really understand this at all and are simply extending what was ingrained into as a child. You may as well be telling us you know Santa Claus exists.

My faith has grown since I was 12 years old: I understand Jesus sacrifice more. When I was confirmed (Lutheran Church) I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior by my own decision. When I went to college I, after looking down the road of parties, CHOSE to embrace Jesus in every aspect of my life. THAT is growing in faith, and you can't dispute that since I just gave examples on how my faith grew since I was a 12 year old.

Such an expert as yourself should understand the holidays coming from Pagan and other beliefs, right. Oh that's right, this is the part no one discusses and will not discuss. Like easter and esp the thing's that happened to Jesus. I mean even though Jesus' coming and events in his life should have been enough to remake certain holidays..."Let's just keep the ones 'they' already have as we need to get as much buy-in on this story"...

(And I am no expert, so I could be wrong)

Did you happen to miss this part? You keep putting words in my mouth to try and further your argument and it isn't working.

As for "no one discussing" -- I believe my last post JUST discussed this AND I said I am more than willing and happy to talk with you and see your views and how they differ here. Did I not make that clear?

Oh...there wasn't enough buy-in....let's just kill everyone that doesn't agree...people will accept our nice christian message easier that way. I mean we are just helping to save them after all.

That is quite a bold statement. If you are still dwelling on the crusades I don't know what to tell you. Yes, it was wrong, yes they murdered in God's name-- doesn't mean God endorsed it. If that was aimed at the crusades, are you then saying you are willing to judge an entire religion based on a series of bad decisions made CENTURIES ago?

Other than the crusades, I honestly don't know what you could be referring to. I believe I stated throughout my arguments in this thread that Jesus greatest commandment was to "love thy neighbor as thyself". If you someone isn't abiding in that then why do you base the religion off of someone who disregards the teachings?

Instead of spitting for slander ARGUE YOUR POINT! I am asking you to say what you need to say and BACK IT UP. I am happy and excited to hear your views on the subject, but you can't expect me to plow through paragraphs of insults and slander to get to an argument where you provide no evidence. I hope I have not offended you at all in this thread, so why do I not deserve the same respect I am giving you?

-Kevin

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm sure if I went to parties and what not I'm sure it wouldn't take too long. I am saving myself for that one special girl whom God has planned for me in my life-- and it is going to be worth the wait I'm sure

Yeah...good luck with that.

Worked out quite well for my brother. And two of my friends. And my cousins. And my parents too. And some other friends. And some other people I know. Need me to go on?

Are you Gamingphreek too?

Nope, but apparently he and I share similar views about these things.

ok...just a word to the wise...until you have been there and done it, you are just working on hearsay.

Unless of course your virgin ass was running the video.

I am sure those dudes could also run down every name and description of each chick they banged too.

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

Here's a clue for you, nobody gives a shit about your family's and friend's chastity.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
"saving myself for marriage" is something guys say when they can't get any poontang.

for chicks, it means they smell like fish down there, and the guy that marries them is in for a nasty surprise.

for both of the above, when they say God is "saving someone for them", it reminds me of "100 virgins waiting for me in heaven" in a different religion.

get it while its hot. that's my motto.

Awsome! :thumbsup:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm sure if I went to parties and what not I'm sure it wouldn't take too long. I am saving myself for that one special girl whom God has planned for me in my life-- and it is going to be worth the wait I'm sure

Yeah...good luck with that.

Worked out quite well for my brother. And two of my friends. And my cousins. And my parents too. And some other friends. And some other people I know. Need me to go on?

Are you Gamingphreek too?

Nope, but apparently he and I share similar views about these things.

ok...just a word to the wise...until you have been there and done it, you are just working on hearsay.

Unless of course your virgin ass was running the video.

I am sure those dudes could also run down every name and description of each chick they banged too.

Are you seriously challenging my family's and friends' chastity? :| Listen, I know them, you do not.

Here's a clue for you, nobody gives a shit about your family's and friend's chastity.

Well seeing as this thread title discusses that very topic, SOMEONE wants to know his opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it any less valuable.

 

[thehstrybean]

No. I'm 20 years old, never had sex. I've also never had a girlfriend and never been on a date. Do I care? No. I've got time. I'm going to grad school in a couple of years in VA and from there, I want my Ph.D. I'm willing to wait...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Instead of spitting for slander ARGUE YOUR POINT! I am asking you to say what you need to say and BACK IT UP. I am happy and excited to hear your views on the subject, but you can't expect me to plow through paragraphs of insults and slander to get to an argument where you provide no evidence. I hope I have not offended you at all in this thread, so why do I not deserve the same respect I am giving you?

-Kevin

OK i will make this simple just explain why someone as important as Jesus didn't get his own holidays.

Also you are crapping up a post that has nothing to do with this anyway. You simply do not understand what you are professing your life too.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
practicality? ie, guaranteeing that you won't have kids before you want to?

huh? marriage = kids right away?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Instead of spitting for slander ARGUE YOUR POINT! I am asking you to say what you need to say and BACK IT UP. I am happy and excited to hear your views on the subject, but you can't expect me to plow through paragraphs of insults and slander to get to an argument where you provide no evidence. I hope I have not offended you at all in this thread, so why do I not deserve the same respect I am giving you?

-Kevin

OK i will make this simple just explain why someone as important as Jesus didn't get his own holidays.

Also you are crapping up a post that has nothing to do with this anyway. You simply do not understand what you are professing your life too.

Jesus was a Jew when he came here to save us. Christianity takes on many Jewish holidays because you can't change what holidays are intertwined between the religions (Judaism is, for all intents and purposes Christianity without Jesus and with a few more books from the Apocrypha).

Easter is very closely linked to passover (Jesus last supper took place during passover) - Christians celebrate Easter.

Pentecost is also celebrated as one of the festivals in Judaism.

Christmas can be associated with many religious holidays; however it is widely known that Jesus was not born on that particular day. I don't believe ANYONE understands why it is on the 25. Christians do; however, acknowledge Jesus was born in Spring/Summer months. Discrepancies in the Calendar (Different Calendars are used to assign different Holidays) may have been part of the reason, but I simply don't know.

Lent I don't believe is a season which is shared anywhere else. It celebrates the time when the Devil tempted Jesus in the desert and Jesus overcame it.

Outside of that, I don't know what specific Holidays you are referring to. Some lesser holidays may share the same day, but I think (Again, I'm not sure, this isn't something I study as much) this is merely formality.

Is there something specific you wanted me to address when I responded that I missed?

I am very offended that after all of this you still say that I "have no idea what I am professing my life to". I have maintained a pure, genuine, and civil tone with you this entire time, yet you speak to me like I'm 10 years old. Have I don't something-- ANYTHING to offend you?? I just don't understand why you can't give to me the same respect I am giving to you-- yes the Bible says to do that, but that is also part of being a human!

-Kevin

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Mahaguru
I was a virgin before I got married. Before I got married in college, I used to have girls beg me to have sex with them. I would get atleast 6-10 calls per week from girls who wanted to "hang out" or "watch a movie together because their roommate was gone", or some other similar excuse to just get me alone with them. I am talking about girls who were at least a 9, if not a 10. Ok well, some were 8s also, but just a few. A few times, I would have 2 of these girls call me just because they wanted me so bad. I would always say no, because my mind was clear and my conscious was alive. I was saving myself for the special someone I would marry, and I considered "hanging out" cheating on her. Even though I had never met her before, I knew I would meet her some day. And after all those years, I am glad I did it. Just to be clear though, most calls were on the weekends, with a few on weekdays.

But college days were rediculous. I was the envy of all my friends that girls would call me for "hanging out", rather than the opposite. This not only made my male friends envious, but also my female friends, some of whom flat out asked me to have sex with them because the attraction of other girls attracted them to me. Again, I would say no.

Good man. Plenty of young men have litterally ruined their lives because they end up with kids before they turned 20 or had a chance to live at all or choose a path in life.

Or gotten married way too soon because they had blue balls.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
-Kevin

I see you are just trolling, or really incoherent. It wasn't the jewish holidays that were 'taken' over.

Nice try.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
-Kevin

I see you are just trolling, or really incoherent. It wasn't the jewish holidays that were 'taken' over.

Nice try.

Passover = Jewish Holiday! Pentecost = 1 of 3 Jewish Festivals!

Once again, talk to me like a person older than 12 year olds. You keep saying how Christians are always playing the "Holier than thou" card, yet you are doing the EXACT thing you claim to hate!

-Kevin

Edit: Please note that I never said that the names and some traditions have pagan roots. Christmas and Easter are both holidays derived from pagan religion (The bunny is Pagan)-- despite this, the Bible demonstrates that these are merely formalities because neither Easter nor Christmas happen on the days they are celebrated at currently.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
"saving myself for marriage" is something guys say when they can't get any poontang.

for chicks, it means they smell like fish down there, and the guy that marries them is in for a nasty surprise.

for both of the above, when they say God is "saving someone for them", it reminds me of "100 virgins waiting for me in heaven" in a different religion.

get it while its hot. that's my motto.

For once, I think I agree with you, though I lack a motto of my own.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Passover = Jewish Holiday! Pentecost = 1 of 3 Jewish Festivals!

Once again, talk to me like a person older than 12 year olds. You keep saying how Christians are always playing the "Holier than thou" card, yet you are doing the EXACT thing you claim to hate!

-Kevin

Edit: Please note that I never said that the names and some traditions have pagan roots. Christmas and Easter are both holidays derived from pagan religion (The bunny is Pagan)-- despite this, the Bible demonstrates that these are merely formalities because neither Easter nor Christmas happen on the days they are celebrated at currently.

Your need to edit that demonstrates how duped you are.

So the christian's could not come up with enough reason to give Jesus his OWN holiday?

Pretty suspicious to me, but it's just been swept under the rug so long no one can even acknowledge it without changing the subject.

Once your foundation is built on a lie, I don't buy into things going forward from that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Passover = Jewish Holiday! Pentecost = 1 of 3 Jewish Festivals!

Once again, talk to me like a person older than 12 year olds. You keep saying how Christians are always playing the "Holier than thou" card, yet you are doing the EXACT thing you claim to hate!

-Kevin

Edit: Please note that I never said that the names and some traditions have pagan roots. Christmas and Easter are both holidays derived from pagan religion (The bunny is Pagan)-- despite this, the Bible demonstrates that these are merely formalities because neither Easter nor Christmas happen on the days they are celebrated at currently.

Your need to edit that demonstrates how duped you are.

So the christian's could not come up with enough reason to give Jesus his OWN holiday?

Pretty suspicious to me, but it's just been swept under the rug so long no one can even acknowledge it without changing the subject.

Once your foundation is built on a lie, I don't buy into things going forward from that.

They did its called Christmas. Easter is also Christian. The day they fall on just happens to coincide with pagan holidays. Outside of that I honestly don't know. I have looked and researched it but nobody seems to have a concrete answer on the subject.

There you are with another personal attack Alk. Seriously answer this question: "Why do you continue to insult me when I have done nothing at all to deserve it?"

-Kevin

 

[alkemyst]

Christmas was pagan. Also 'yule' as in yuletide is inherently pagan.

Are you sure you understand what you are defending? I am really not attacking you, just don't understand how you have been so duped yet claim to know so much on the bible.

 

[Banzai042]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Christmas was pagan. Also 'yule' as in yuletide is inherently pagan.

Are you sure you understand what you are defending? I am really not attacking you, just don't understand how you have been so duped yet claim to know so much on the bible.

Yes, the original yule celebration was a pagan holiday that IIRC was taken and adapted by the church to get pagans to convert to Christianity by retaining the same cultural traditions. This is, however, the end of the pagan connection to Christmas. Christmas is, to Christians, a celebration of the birth of Jesus, and nothing else. Anything beyond that such as the gift giving is merely a cultural adaptation of Christmas. I honestly fail to see why the fact that the church adapted a pagan holiday centuries ago should nullify the core reason for the holiday.

Also, in response to the question posed in the OP, I hardly think that physical apperance is the only reason someone would be a virgin, or would wait for marriage. In fact, for some of us it is completely because we choose to do so. My girlfriend and I have been together for more than 4 years, and are planning on getting married sometime in the next few years, however we have not had sex because we both believe in waiting until we are married (and none of this "oral/anal/whatever other generic rationalization doesn't count" junk). I don't see why some people seem to think that this is an issue, what my girlfriend and I do (or don't do) is between us and God (or call it just us if you don't believe in God).

 

[alkemyst]

easter is based totally on when the equinox happens. Not when Jesus 'rose'. Sort of odd.

Not nullifying why the holiday is celebrated today...just that the reason it became started off as something totally different. Like I said, it's the biggest 'telephone game' that's been played.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
easter is based totally on when the equinox happens. Not when Jesus 'rose'. Sort of odd.

Not nullifying why the holiday is celebrated today...just that the reason it became started off as something totally different. Like I said, it's the biggest 'telephone game' that's been played.

Haha yea-- I'm not sure why Easter is based off of that other than some guys got together and ruled that it should be.

The date, in my mind isn't the most important part of a holiday, the meaning behind it is.

-Kevin

 

[SlitheryDee]

Why the hell is so much importance placed on virginity anyway? Just get it over with and get on with life. Your state of being a virgin or not isn't a big deal in the grand scheme.

Edit: Oh and sex is not so all fired important either. It's a pleasant and healthy team exercise that sometimes makes a baby, that's all.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Why the hell is so much importance placed on virginity anyway? Just get it over with and get on with life. Your state of being a virgin or not isn't a big deal in the grand scheme.

See my post earlier in the thread.

I think it has to do with some ancient mating/dominance thing, where a male wants to feel like he's the only one who's mated with a specific female. Animals deal with such urges simply by fighting off possible rival males. We extrapolate up such behaviors, allowing for our increased mental capacity. We play mind games, trying to convince people that virginity is preferred by some divine being.

Same behavior, different tactic.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Why the hell is so much importance placed on virginity anyway? Just get it over with and get on with life. Your state of being a virgin or not isn't a big deal in the grand scheme.

See my post earlier in the thread.

I think it has to do with some ancient mating/dominance thing, where a male wants to feel like he's the only one who's mated with a specific female. Animals deal with such urges simply by fighting off possible rival males. We extrapolate up such behaviors, allowing for our increased mental capacity. We play mind games, trying to convince people that virginity is preferred by some divine being.

Same behavior, different tactic.

and it never applied to men. It had a lot to do though with women viewed as property / a possession rather than them getting a hurt about being with a non-virgin.

 

[ClarkJF]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Perhaps you could give me a reference as to what you are talking about. And I never said the we are any more/less sinners after marriage.

Also I don't appreciate you flaming me-- I haven't said a single negative thing about any person in this thread, and I would appreciate the same respect.

-Kevin

I am sorry, but I have a huge problem with Christians (and any zealot) that spews the I am better than thou doctrine and they don't even know WTF they are regurgitating.

I personally feel a child should not be able to pick a religion or be influenced by one until they are 12/13.

The majority of the followers out there in any religion have Santa Claus syndrome.

I think sexuality in the Bible was skewed by wanting taxes/tithes/virgins/etc.


anyway...if you really want to understand the bible read the history of the day at the same time. Contrast and compare what was happening in history vs the 'story'. Think about the financial reach of each character vs the 'story'. Think about the rules given and then what each character did in the 'story'.

I have found there is tons of contradictions. Also I have come to a conclusion that the islamic, christian, jewish, buddist, etc faiths are all very intertwined and probably sprang out of egyptian beliefs...but such discussion is not suited for general forums as too many of the brainwashed just barf dogma.

Well point out to me where, I have ever spewed the "I am better than thou"? In fact, I believe I say throughout the thread that I am not perfect and that I make the same mistakes everyone else does.

Additionally, what makes you believe that I don't know what I am talking about? I have argued this thread and many others with supporting books (Other than the Bible), as well as scriptural evidence. I'm only boasting in what the Lord has shown me, but it seems to me that I know at least something.

I have found there is tons of contradictions. Also I have come to a conclusion that the islamic, christian, jewish, buddist, etc faiths are all very intertwined and probably sprang out of egyptian beliefs...but such discussion is not suited for general forums as too many of the brainwashed just barf dogma.

The Bible has been scrutinized by scholars and others for thousands of years and nobody has found contradictions or ways to prove it wrong yet. If you have found merely a single way it contradicts itself, I would be more than happy to hear it and discuss perhaps my take on it.

As for intertwined, the only intertwined part about these faiths is that they are all monotheistic and try to embody the same characteristics among their followers (Compassion, Dutifulness, etc...). There are so many ways that Christianity is so different from any of these other religions.

It's a touchy thing really...

They said the Old Covenant was eternal.

Perhaps the biggest supporter of that though is:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ?He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.? (Matthew 15:4-7)

?Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and ?For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

So to sum it up I guess...

"He who keepeth the whole law, but offend it in one point, is guilty of all (James 2:10)."

Well first off, there may be a better translation than curse. Attack is a better word. Additionally, Jesus wasn't telling, based on my studying of that verse the Pharisees they needed to kill their children. Their children weren't even brought up at all. In this case he was reprimanding them for tithing (Giving corban) as an excuse to ignore their parents.

As for the first 2 passages, perhaps, a better way to look at it is not that they are invalid rather that they are fulfilled. For sacrifices, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. He died to fulfill all of those laws for eternity.

As for the last verse you quotes; that is absolutely true. James 2:10 could not be any clearer. If you sin at all, even a simple lie, you are just as guilty, in God's eyes, as the man who has committed adultery. It is all sin in God's eyes; however, it is humans who put weight to the sin.

The beautiful thing about all of this is that even though we sin, God never keeps track. Just like the prodigals son, "we are lost but now we are found; dead but now alive". He welcomes us with open arms, the only thing we need to do, just as the son did, is ask.

-Kevin

You are mostly correct but where you go wrong is the bible clearly states that there are sins worse than others, i.e. the bible clearly states that 'to not care for your family is worse than being a non-believer', there are plenty of sins that cause greater punishment, all sins just like all commandments are not created equal.

 

[ClarkJF]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Look Alk, I am trying to hold a civil discussion here with you and it seems that you are looking for an argument or trying to make me fall at every step of the way. If you want to discuss this- FINE. If not, I would very much appreciate you not putting words in my mouth and bashing my beliefs.

Dead sea scrolls were not the complete text also it was never said they were an exact word to word translation. You also fail to understand old test. vs new test. You fail to understand all places where a man and woman's relationships were discussed and then the historical descriptions of who was actually with who.

The meanings from the passage are all the same. The translations may differ as connotations differ throughout time, but the books remain themselves in their entirety.

You tell me everything I fail at, yet you don't tell me how! HOW have I failed to understand the OT and NT text? HOW have I failed to understand relationships?? It is pretty clear throughout the Bible what it says on pre-marital sex. For instance:

Exodus 22:16-17, Deuteronomy 22:13-21 (Deals with sleeping together before and after marriage), Hebrews 13:4, 1 Timorthy 5:2. I don't think I need to go on. Each and every single one of the verses reinforces my point!

I was never trying to grow FAITH. For faith you don't need anything, that is the beauty of it and why religion was widespread so easily. I don't think you really understand this at all and are simply extending what was ingrained into as a child. You may as well be telling us you know Santa Claus exists.

My faith has grown since I was 12 years old: I understand Jesus sacrifice more. When I was confirmed (Lutheran Church) I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior by my own decision. When I went to college I, after looking down the road of parties, CHOSE to embrace Jesus in every aspect of my life. THAT is growing in faith, and you can't dispute that since I just gave examples on how my faith grew since I was a 12 year old.

Such an expert as yourself should understand the holidays coming from Pagan and other beliefs, right. Oh that's right, this is the part no one discusses and will not discuss. Like easter and esp the thing's that happened to Jesus. I mean even though Jesus' coming and events in his life should have been enough to remake certain holidays..."Let's just keep the ones 'they' already have as we need to get as much buy-in on this story"...

(And I am no expert, so I could be wrong)

Did you happen to miss this part? You keep putting words in my mouth to try and further your argument and it isn't working.

As for "no one discussing" -- I believe my last post JUST discussed this AND I said I am more than willing and happy to talk with you and see your views and how they differ here. Did I not make that clear?

Oh...there wasn't enough buy-in....let's just kill everyone that doesn't agree...people will accept our nice christian message easier that way. I mean we are just helping to save them after all.

That is quite a bold statement. If you are still dwelling on the crusades I don't know what to tell you. Yes, it was wrong, yes they murdered in God's name-- doesn't mean God endorsed it. If that was aimed at the crusades, are you then saying you are willing to judge an entire religion based on a series of bad decisions made CENTURIES ago?

Other than the crusades, I honestly don't know what you could be referring to. I believe I stated throughout my arguments in this thread that Jesus greatest commandment was to "love thy neighbor as thyself". If you someone isn't abiding in that then why do you base the religion off of someone who disregards the teachings?

Instead of spitting for slander ARGUE YOUR POINT! I am asking you to say what you need to say and BACK IT UP. I am happy and excited to hear your views on the subject, but you can't expect me to plow through paragraphs of insults and slander to get to an argument where you provide no evidence. I hope I have not offended you at all in this thread, so why do I not deserve the same respect I am giving you?

-Kevin

Mostly correct, but the bible clearly states the greatest commandment is to love the lord your god with all of your heart with love thy neighbor as yourself coming in second.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
TruePaige-- I have come up with part of my answer so I can go ahead and post that.

You actually hit on one of the huge differences between Judaism and Christianity. If you are a Christian you therefore believe in the New Testament and its teachings.

If you turn to Acts 10:9-16

Since Jesus died, God pretty much nullified part of the meaning of a lot of the laws in Leviticus (Mold laws are.... lengthy to say the least )

The literal meaning of the Leviticus verses is then nullified, but metaphorical meanings (God knows there are hundreds of them for any given verse) are still very much applicable.

I'm still reading on the other passages you brought up. I am actually not that good at citing scripture yet (I lead 2 Small Groups you think I would be good at this haha ) so it takes me longer than average

-Kevin

It's a touchy thing really...

They said the Old Covenant was eternal.

Perhaps the biggest supporter of that though is:

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ?He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.? (Matthew 15:4-7)

?Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and ?For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

So to sum it up I guess...

"He who keepeth the whole law, but offend it in one point, is guilty of all (James 2:10)."

And yet you convieniently ignore the message of Acts 15... in summary, the old testament was meant for the Jews only. The new testament for everyone.

The new does not invalidate the old, it fullfils it.


The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul? 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.



Im not going to go into a full bible debate with you because that isnt what this thread is about... However my point is that the message of sexual purity is still relevant to the christian today as it was to the jew back then.

 

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Why I think it is:
Possessive behavior of men. Around the world, men claim to love women, but they constantly oppress them so as to maintain a feeling of dominance, as mandated by testosterone. If a woman has not had sex with anyone else, that makes a man feel like he has some sort of ownership of her, and more specifically, like he has exclusive mating rights.

This kind of nonsense got worked into theology, so that it appeared that some powerful divine entity, instead of mere humans, was mandating this idea of virginity.
Now, thousands of years after such texts were penned, we still follow them. In some ways, progress comes quite slow for this species.

Part of it may have been male dominance. But a lot of religions wanted to establish disease free stable families. It was part of creating a stable culture and society. Get people to save themselves for marriage and you kill the spread of many diseases. Make marriage something that cannot be broken out of and people cannot spread whatever they have any further. The stricter the rules, the better in that respect.