Is being a Vegan unnatural?

[athithi]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: athithi

Of course I understand the irony, and I wouldn't have said anything if your post had just been about that...but instead, you claim that meat eaters are somehow "guilty" because of their diets, thus BECOMING the militant vegetarian, and no better than the meat eaters you deride.
I grew up vegetarian, and I have nothing against them...but if you're going to talk about it, don't make stuff up!

Surely, you made it all the way through the last lines of my first post?

Meat-eaters that find a need to defend their diet by proclaiming that vegetarianism is unhealthy and stupid are indeed beset with some sort of guilt. Proactive finger-pointing typically originates from a need to validate an otherwise unsubstantiated belief. That is all I am accusing militant meat-eaters of doing - having doubts over their own diet and trying to justify it by finding greater fault in an alternative diet. I am not the one making up stuff here. I abhor meat-eating and yet am comfortable in my dietary habits to not claim meat-eating to be a symptom of stupidity.

That's my main point of contention. Guilt is NOT a factor in the majority of opinions.

For example, I hate people who drive SUVs as a status symbol, never using them to actually haul stuff or even carry more than one person. My feelings on this stem from its waste of resources, but more importantly, from the fact that many of them are only doing it because it's popular, not because they actually care one way or the other.
Do I feel guilty because I don't drive an SUV? Don't be absurd. That's the stupidest argument ever...but it's exactly what you're claiming.

The sad part is that your second sentence actually makes sense...people who really go to the extremes in defending their ideals often do so because it's not a cut-and-dry issue, and they don't have a sizable amount of objective proof to back them up. But where in the world does guilt factor into this?

Your example about the SUV is not apt in any way. What you are doing is not finger-pointing but rather expressing an educated and informed opinion. Finger-pointing would be if you drove an American SUV and accused someone driving a Japanese sedan of being unpatriotic (perhaps because you feel that driving an SUV is not as economical, safe or environment-friendly as a Japanese sedan and feel threatened that the Japanese sedan driver might call you out on this and you try to pre-empt that by calling the other guy unpatriotic).

Feeling guilt is not the same as being guilty - which is exactly why I stated that meat-eaters don't have to feel judged by vegetarians as doing something wrong.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: bhanson
I can digest my non-meat products quicker than meat which means more energy for me to do the things I really enjoy. (and less sleep is needed too.)

I'm not sure what you've getting at.

If anything, one of the big issues with the American diet is that things are digested too quickly. High GI carbs are a problem.

If you're gettinga t whey absorbing faster, then you may be correct.

If you're getting at eating meat, and meat alone will clog up your digestive system, then yes it will. But eating wild range beef/salmon/chicken along with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and nuts will do just fine in your digestive system. The meat will give you high quality, complete proteins without promoting estrogen, B vitamins, omega 3 fats, etc.

Saying all meat, or any meat in any diet is unhealthy is incorrect.

 

[Baked]

Red meat only.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: athithiI abhor meat-eating and yet am comfortable in my dietary habits to not claim meat-eating to be a symptom of stupidity.

And yet you post here falsely accusing of all who posted before you of such transgressions in order for you to get your digs in at the supposedly overcompensating guilt ridden meat-eaters.

"Falsely accusing" is such a strong term..."creatively interpreting", perhaps

 

[MisterJackson]

Props to me for creating a sensational thread!!!!! w00t!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: athithi
Your example about the SUV is not apt in any way. What you are doing is not finger-pointing but rather expressing an educated and informed opinion. Finger-pointing would be if you drove an American SUV and accused someone driving a Japanese sedan of being unpatriotic (perhaps because you feel that driving an SUV is not as economical, safe or environment-friendly as a Japanese sedan and feel threatened that the Japanese sedan driver might call you out on this and you try to pre-empt that by calling the other guy unpatriotic).

Feeling guilt is not the same as being guilty - which is exactly why I stated that meat-eaters don't have to feel judged by vegetarians as doing something wrong.

You still have yet to show ANY evidence that meat-eaters "feel guilty". Stop saying it if it's 100% made-up, mmkay?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: athithi
Meat-eaters that find a need to defend their diet by proclaiming that vegetarianism is unhealthy and stupid are indeed beset with some sort of guilt.

It's well documented that a vegetarian lifestyle leaves nutrient deficiencies. That's simply a fact.

Most people that eat meat don't feel guilty about it.

I don't. I believe God is OK with me eating meat and I try to be thankful for the food I am given.

Edit: do you feel guilty about prematurely ending the life of a plant so you can eat it?

 

[Legend]

Why should we feel guilty about consuming livestock that has about the same intelligence as insects?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Legend
Why should we feel guilty about consuming livestock that has about the same intelligence as insects?

Wow, cows must be incredibly dumb where you live.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: athithi
Your example about the SUV is not apt in any way. What you are doing is not finger-pointing but rather expressing an educated and informed opinion. Finger-pointing would be if you drove an American SUV and accused someone driving a Japanese sedan of being unpatriotic (perhaps because you feel that driving an SUV is not as economical, safe or environment-friendly as a Japanese sedan and feel threatened that the Japanese sedan driver might call you out on this and you try to pre-empt that by calling the other guy unpatriotic).

Feeling guilt is not the same as being guilty - which is exactly why I stated that meat-eaters don't have to feel judged by vegetarians as doing something wrong.

You still have yet to show ANY evidence that meat-eaters "feel guilty". Stop saying it if it's 100% made-up, mmkay?

You are asking for evidence of "feeling"? You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? And you also seem to have a reluctance towards comprehension. Meat-eaters who think vegetarianism is stupid and unhealthy are expressing a sentiment that is typically associated with a psychological condition where the protagonist sees a need to defend an action or belief in such a manner as to construct an opponent even when there is none (e.g., unpatriotic Japanese sedan driver) - as happened in this thread. For some reason you insist on behaving like a scratched record and keep insisting that I said meat-eaters feel guilty about eating meat when in reality I am making the case for the exact opposite (that meat-eaters have nothing to feel guilty about).

I think you just ran out of arguments and are using a classic ploy of repeatedly posting non sequiturs to mask the vacuousness of your arguments. Sometimes, that actually works.

 

[Atomicus]

I will probably go vegetarian some day simply because raising animals for food in an ever-growing population situation isn't sustainable.

 

[Eli]

Yes, it is unnatural. If it weren't for our modern understanding of nutrition, it would not be possible.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Naturalistic Fallacy

Arguments both for and against the proposition "humans should be vegetarians" will inevitably commit this fallacy.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Duh.

 

[eakers]

I don't understand people who are vegetarians because of the moral implications of eating animals but eat fish/seafood.

HYPOCRITES!


edit: oh and vegetarians who eat factory farmed eggs, also hypocrites.

 

[JS80]

being vegan can guarentee early death

 

[Brainonska511]

"Save a plant, eat a cow"

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
"Save a plant, eat a cow"

What do cows eat?

 

[imported_Baloo]

First, man is not, "by design," an omivore. Anything "man"does is natural. A 100% carniverous diet is as natural as a vegetarian diet, which again is as natural as an omnivorous diet. If you must know what the more common leaning is in this regard, study primitive cultures. Primitve tribal people's diets are mostly vegetarien, with occasional offerings of meat. Except, of course, for Eskimos before modern civilization reached them. They would be the exception. In their case, vegitation was a rare treat, and only in summertime.

Edit. I thought to add, if you eat a 100% carnivorous diet, you will not live long. the same can't be said for the other two options.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
"Save a plant, eat a cow"

What do cows eat?

Artifical protein compote.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: eakers
I don't understand people who are vegetarians because of the moral implications of eating animals but eat fish/seafood.

HYPOCRITES!


edit: oh and vegetarians who eat factory farmed eggs, also hypocrites.

No different that the vegetarians who don't eat seafood but kill ants, spiders, snakes, termites, <insert pest animal here>. What code defines the moral penalty for the killing of life? Why is animal life more important than plant life? Why is human life held above all other life? It's all colored subjectivism and detachment.

 

[RallyMaster]

Meat is good. Vegetables and fruits are okay sometimes as well. Watermelons for the win.

 

[kogase]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but apparently eating a high protein diet and especially meat will negatively affect your body odor. I'm effectively a vegetarian, I rarely eat meat, but I can't objectively smell myself...

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: kogase
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but apparently eating a high protein diet and especially meat will negatively affect your body odor. I'm effectively a vegetarian, I rarely eat meat, but I can't objectively smell myself...

Eating a lot of soy products will give you a fair amount of gas too.

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: athithi
Meat-eaters that find a need to defend their diet by proclaiming that vegetarianism is unhealthy and stupid are indeed beset with some sort of guilt.

It's well documented that a vegetarian lifestyle leaves nutrient deficiencies. That's simply a fact.

I did it before and I'll do it again: I am a counterexample. Healthy, highly active vegetarian for over ten years. Tell me again what my nutrient deficencies are?