Is being a Vegan unnatural?

[MisterJackson]

This Yoga practicing, soy and tofu eating (and extremely hot) young MILF came in my shop the other day. In talking to her I learned she does not eat meat. Her reason, we don't need it.

She does let her 7 year old son eat hamburger, steak, chicken, etc.. I thought it was comendable that she isn't forcing her views on her kid, but rather giving him some say so in it.

Anyway, I said "Well if you think about it, since the dawn of time man has been eating meat OUT OF NECCESITY. If it weren't necessary then our ancient ancestors would have just foraged for roots berries and the like only. Instead they not only ate animals, they followed the animals if they migrated since that was their main food source. That's how man first came to what's now North America, by following it's food."

So if we decide, as an individual, to not eat meat, are we not fighting millions of years of evolution?

What say you ATOT

Are you all about a big fat juicy steak? Or would you rather nibble on some roots or pretend tofu actually tastes good?

 

[kogase]

My dad is a vegetarian but never forced his views on me or my brother. He'd even buy meat if we asked for it. Even he admits that his vegetariansm is illogical, but since he started it when he was a teenager and has been doing it into his fourties he continues it anyway.

Veganism is unnatural, and it takes a great deal of effort to make it healthy. Not only that, but it's borderline impossible for a consumer (that is producer/consumer) to avoid using animal products entirely. They are just on some ridiculous guilt trip, wearing horse glasses and poopooing the "heathens". Fvck vegans.

 

[TraumaRN]

My best friend's whole family is vegan/vegetarian, and they will shove it down your throat, when he got engaged his mom and dad said if his fiancee wasnt vegetarian they couldnt marry. Kinda crazy. They insist man never used meat as a primary food source and if you bring up history concerning man following migrating animals they insist it's just scholars telling us that so we dont feel bad eating meat. I love him as a friend but I just never bring up the topic of food at his house.

 

[fitzov]

Man is disposed to many things naturally, but that doesn't mean I should kidnap my neighbor's daughter and molest her.

 

[AMDZen]

Vegan's are fruits, borderline insane - and suffer from a mental condition
Vegetarian's are simply naive, usually only doing the "hip" thing. Akin to sheep

/end thread

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
They insist man never used meat as a primary food source and if you bring up history concerning man following migrating animals they insist it's just scholars telling us that so we dont feel bad eating meat.

Now that's just STUPID.

Being a vegan is unnatural, but so's a lot of things we humans do. It would never work for me, and I really wish I knew of a study about the cumulative health benefits and risks of vegan/vegetarian/normal diets, assuming decent exercise. All you find on the web is propaganda, from one side or the other.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: fitzov
Man is disposed to many things naturally, but that doesn't mean I should kidnap my neighbor's daughter and molest her.

Okaaaayyyy......remind me not to buy a house in your neighborhood!

 

[lozina]

They have some good arguments though.. comparing humans to traditional carnivores...

we have mostly molars similar to herbivore creatures, we have alkaline saliva and weaker stomach acids than carnivors who have acid saliva and very strong stomach avids. Carnivores have shorter intestinal tracts which are smoother to allow meat to pass quickly while we have much longer intestinal tracts which is very craggy. Our closest relatives, the primates, rarely ever eat meat..

Having said that, I eat meat often. I don't care

 

[Dedpuhl]

We were made to eat and process meat.

 

[DnetMHZ]

"Save a cow, eat a vegetarian!"

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
This Yoga practicing, soy and tofu eating (and extremely hot) young MILF came in my shop the other day. In talking to her I learned she does not eat meat. Her reason, we don't need it.

She does let her 7 year old son eat hamburger, steak, chicken, etc.. I thought it was comendable that she isn't forcing her views on her kid, but rather giving him some say so in it.

Anyway, I said "Well if you think about it, since the dawn of time man has been eating meat OUT OF NECCESITY. If it weren't necessary then our ancient ancestors would have just foraged for roots berries and the like only. Instead they not only ate animals, they followed the animals if they migrated since that was their main food source. That's how man first came to what's now North America, by following it's food."

So if we decide, as an individual, to not eat meat, are we not fighting millions of years of evolution?

What say you ATOT

Are you all about a big fat juicy steak? Or would you rather nibble on some roots or pretend tofu actually tastes good?

Ok, I have to laugh at this... why would you care what a person chooses to eat or not?
You eat meat, she does not. Simple

You think she's hot, so make your move buddy... and stop worrying about the little stuff..:roll:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: lozina
They have some good arguments though.. comparing humans to traditional carnivores...

we have mostly molars similar to herbivore creatures, we have alkaline saliva and weaker stomach acids than carnivors who have acid saliva and very strong stomach avids. Carnivores have shorter intestinal tracts which are smoother to allow meat to pass quickly while we have much longer intestinal tracts which is very craggy. Our closest relatives, the primates, rarely ever eat meat..

Having said that, I eat meat often. I don't care

It's true that meat isn't meant to be the base of our diet...we're nowhere near strict carnivores...but we're clearly omnivores and not vegetarians.
here's an article about chimpanzee hunting behavior that's kind of interesting.

 

[GasX]

My ancestors both human and "pre-human" have spent hundreds of millions of years to get me to the top of the food chain. It would be grossly disrespectful of that legacy to start eating twigs and rocks under some delusion of righteousness....

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
My ancestors both human and "pre-human" have spent hundreds of millions of years to get me to the top of the food chain. It would be grossly disrespectful of that legacy to start eating twigs and rocks under some delusion of righteousness....

:thumbsup: :beer: :bulkbeef;

 

[cKGunslinger]

Eveything in moderation.


Plus, where the hell can you get a bulk cube (~alternator sized) of lettuce?

 

[igowerf]

I've gone for a while without eating meat before. It's not so bad, although I did start to crave it after a couple days. That doesn't mean much though, since I start to crave vegetables if I don't eat those for a while either.

My grandmother is a Buddhist so we went to temples a lot when I was young and they served vegetarian dishes there. The food was flavorful and just seemed like regular Chinese food, except with a lot of tofu and soy products. Since I'm Chinese, I grew up eating a lot of similar food anyways and it never bothered me. I think vegetarianism/veganism is mostly a problem for Westerners because they aren't used to foods. Tofu and soy based foods are a regular part of my diet even though I eat plenty of steak and hamburgers too.

I work in Santa Monica where everyone is a yoga practicing, vegan hipster and I lived with a vegan for a year in college. I've never had veganism or even vegetarianism forced on me or preached to me (except once in high school when someone shoved PETA pamphlets into all of our lockers). In fact, the vegan that I lived with was one of the best roommates I ever had. She did her own thing and it never interfered with the rest of us. All of us hung out and went out a lot together too.

 

[SaturnX]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Mwilding
My ancestors both human and "pre-human" have spent hundreds of millions of years to get me to the top of the food chain. It would be grossly disrespectful of that legacy to start eating twigs and rocks under some delusion of righteousness....

:thumbsup: :beer: :bulkbeef;

Is it alternator sized? :laugh:

 

[DivideBYZero]

Can you buy Tofu online? In Bulk?

 

[CKent]

We've evolved as omnivores and as such it's patently unhealthy to not eat meat. This is backed up by a large body of evidence. Speaking of large bodies though, most of us do eat more meat than we need / should

 

[Fraggable]

I eat meat but not because I love meat. If mcdonald's had a burger make of some kind of matter that tasted good and had good texture, i'd eat it.

I'm perfectly happy with a salad, I eat meat out of convenience.

 

[slatr]

It is pretty tough to get B12 with no meat.

Try searching on the effects of not getting b12.

 

[Armitage]

It's a PITA traveling overseas (or probably anywhere) with a vegan. Half the damn day is spent trying to find someplace that serves food they will eat.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Armitage
It's a PITA traveling overseas (or probably anywhere) with a vegan. Half the damn day is spent trying to find someplace that serves food they will eat.

It depends on where you travel. If you go to Asia (including India), it's very easy to find a place that will serve vegan foods. Besides, the most basic vegan meal is a salad. How hard is it to find a place that serves salad?

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Armitage
It's a PITA traveling overseas (or probably anywhere) with a vegan. Half the damn day is spent trying to find someplace that serves food they will eat.

It depends on where you travel. If you go to Asia (including India), it's very easy to find a place that will serve vegan foods. Besides, the most basic vegan meal is a salad. How hard is it to find a place that serves salad?

Yea, I suppose it would be easier in asia. This was S. America, and the guy was an over-the-top vegan. No dairy no eggs, etc. It was easy to find stuff with no meat, but it would often have cheese or eggs. And it's hard to stay healthy on a vegan diet - eating salad every day won't do it.

It was just a PITA - we all wanted to go try different things, new places. But had to accomodate this guy. Eventually he just had to go eat on his own. And the look on his face when we got roasted guinea pigs on a stick in the market was priceless

 

[interchange]

I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. I don't make a big deal about my diet or anyone else's. I recognize that I could eat healthier with a different diet, but it was a good and not difficult choice for me at the time I started it. It is certainly possible to have a robust vegan diet, but our ancestors would have had a very hard time accomplishing this.

One of the best arguments for eating less/no meat is simple ecology. Should you eat the grain? Or should you eat the cow that eats the grain? For each steak you eat, you could have 200 loaves of bread. Which is a more efficient use of that energy?