Is being a Vegan unnatural?

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kogase

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Originally posted by: igowerf
Originally posted by: kogase
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but apparently eating a high protein diet and especially meat will negatively affect your body odor. I'm effectively a vegetarian, I rarely eat meat, but I can't objectively smell myself...

Eating a lot of soy products will give you a fair amount of gas too.

I wasn't talking about flatulance, but I guess that would be a problem. The trick is to not overdo your protein intake. One (a vegan/vegetarian) shouldn't obssess over soy, protein is readily found in a variety of foods and need not be attained entirely from soy.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Vegan's are fruits, borderline insane - and suffer from a mental condition
Vegetarian's are simply naive, usually only doing the "hip" thing. Akin to sheep

/end thread

Not really. It is not as simple as that and your points have no validity to them.

My uncle is a vegetarian who is accepting of others who do eat meat. He even goes to the store to buy fish, or chicken or whatever. He says he wants others to decide for themselves if they want to choose that lifestyle or not. He does not force his views upon others.

Also, a true vegetarian does not eat fish, eggs.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: igowerf
I've gone for a while without eating meat before. It's not so bad, although I did start to crave it after a couple days. That doesn't mean much though, since I start to crave vegetables if I don't eat those for a while either.

My grandmother is a Buddhist so we went to temples a lot when I was young and they served vegetarian dishes there. The food was flavorful and just seemed like regular Chinese food, except with a lot of tofu and soy products. Since I'm Chinese, I grew up eating a lot of similar food anyways and it never bothered me. I think vegetarianism/veganism is mostly a problem for Westerners because they aren't used to foods. Tofu and soy based foods are a regular part of my diet even though I eat plenty of steak and hamburgers too.

I work in Santa Monica where everyone is a yoga practicing, vegan hipster and I lived with a vegan for a year in college. I've never had veganism or even vegetarianism forced on me or preached to me (except once in high school when someone shoved PETA pamphlets into all of our lockers). In fact, the vegan that I lived with was one of the best roommates I ever had. She did her own thing and it never interfered with the rest of us. All of us hung out and went out a lot together too.

LOL these yoga "practicers" probably don't even know the meaning of yoga or what its actual goal is. But anyway, big ups.
 

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Yeah! Boooo to people trying to take care of themselves. Bunch a fsckers!

Meat eaters that whine and cry about it should grow some balls and eat ONLY meat. Show us your stones you bunch of bitchin cry babies. Go pour yourself a big fsckin glass of lard soda.
 

IEC

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I'll agree with you Western tofu is crap. Give me tofu cooked by any Korean/Chinese housewife and that's a completely different story :D

Asians know how to make/cook tofu properly, and I love it.

Edit: And yes, I do eat meat.
 

AbAbber2k

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I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Soy has a significant amount of fat in it, in fact it's one of the few (only?) legumes that does. I don't believe there is a single mineral/vitamin that cannot be attained through a "vegan" diet, and most people who go to the trouble of being vegan put a lot of research and effort into their lifestyle. I can't say the same for all vegetarians, but then vegetarian is a much broader term.
 

igowerf

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who become vegetarian because it's the "cool" thing to do. My vegan roommate is/was one of the healthiest people that I know. She's a dance teacher and did ballet, hip hop, etc regularly. She does a fair amount of research about what she eats though.
 

91TTZ

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1. If God didn't want people to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

2. My ancestors didn't fight their way to the top of the foodchain so I could eat plants.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Soy has a significant amount of fat in it, in fact it's one of the few (only?) legumes that does. I don't believe there is a single mineral/vitamin that cannot be attained through a "vegan" diet, and most people who go to the trouble of being vegan put a lot of research and effort into their lifestyle. I can't say the same for all vegetarians, but then vegetarian is a much broader term.

A typical man wouldn't want to consume large amounts of soy. Unless he likes the effeminate effects.



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kogase

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Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Soy has a significant amount of fat in it, in fact it's one of the few (only?) legumes that does. I don't believe there is a single mineral/vitamin that cannot be attained through a "vegan" diet, and most people who go to the trouble of being vegan put a lot of research and effort into their lifestyle. I can't say the same for all vegetarians, but then vegetarian is a much broader term.

A typical man wouldn't want to consume large amounts of soy. Unless he likes the effeminate effects.



http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_143soy
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author25.htm

It's a good thing you can get a significant amount of fat from nuts and seeds (flax being particularly healthy). Like I said, overconsumption of anything is bad, but a vegan who thinks things out won't have much of a problem.
 

91TTZ

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Fact: meat is delicious

Fact: the inventor of the hamburger was the greatest genius known to man or any other lifeform in the universe.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Legend

A typical man wouldn't want to consume large amounts of soy. Unless he likes the effeminate effects.



http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_143soy
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author25.htm


Well, let's face it- the typical soy-eating vegetarian guy is probably a bit effeminate to begin with.

What's disturbing is that they've been puting it in everything, like school lunches.

Back when I began protein supplementation, and I was more naive than I am now, I bought Soy. Apparently I'm allergic. I had something that felt like an ear infection after consuming it for several hours.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Soy has a significant amount of fat in it, in fact it's one of the few (only?) legumes that does. I don't believe there is a single mineral/vitamin that cannot be attained through a "vegan" diet, and most people who go to the trouble of being vegan put a lot of research and effort into their lifestyle. I can't say the same for all vegetarians, but then vegetarian is a much broader term.

A typical man wouldn't want to consume large amounts of soy. Unless he likes the effeminate effects.



http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_143soy
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author25.htm

It's a good thing you can get a significant amount of fat from nuts and seeds (flax being particularly healthy). Like I said, overconsumption of anything is bad, but a vegan who thinks things out won't have much of a problem.

I eat sunflower myself. I bought some flax, but it's raw, and it's loaded with fiber. Not an easy food to consume. How do you eat it?
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Legend

I eat sunflower myself. I bought some flax, but it's raw, and it's loaded with fiber. Not an easy food to consume. How do you eat it?

Hopefully between 2 porterhouses.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I feel sorry for people that make Tofu a staple in their diet. Meat > Tofu. That said, I don't have a problem with vegetarians/vegans, but I think most of them are horrible misinformed when it comes to nutrition.

Have fun with mineral and essential fat deficiencies. Not to mention osteoperosis.

Soy has a significant amount of fat in it, in fact it's one of the few (only?) legumes that does. I don't believe there is a single mineral/vitamin that cannot be attained through a "vegan" diet, and most people who go to the trouble of being vegan put a lot of research and effort into their lifestyle. I can't say the same for all vegetarians, but then vegetarian is a much broader term.

A typical man wouldn't want to consume large amounts of soy. Unless he likes the effeminate effects.



http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_143soy
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author25.htm

It's a good thing you can get a significant amount of fat from nuts and seeds (flax being particularly healthy). Like I said, overconsumption of anything is bad, but a vegan who thinks things out won't have much of a problem.

I eat sunflower myself. I bought some flax, but it's raw, and it's loaded with fiber. Not an easy food to consume. How do you eat it?

Grind it up. You can add it (two tablespoons is a recommend serving of ground flax) to oatmeal, or eat it like medicine with some water. It's very high in fat, so you can actually substitute flax for oil/shortening in muffins and other soda breads. You can also add it to yeast bread recipes, or knead it with some water and dry it out to make crackers. It has a somewhat pleasant taste, but is pretty hardy. I wouldn't go around eating it all day, but two tablespoons isn't a big deal every morning.
 
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i respect those who chose not to eat meat or dairy, etc, but i love meat, cheese, eggs... there is nothing like a big rare t-bone steak.
however, i do love veggies too.


I have heard both sides of the arguement, i don't think either party is wrong or right.
 

91TTZ

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I knew a guy that was a vegetarian.

He did it not because he loves animals, but because he hates plants.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Fact: meat is delicious

Fact: the inventor of the hamburger was the greatest genius known to man or any other lifeform in the universe.

YES!!!

:thumbsup::D
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Fact: meat is delicious

Fact: the inventor of the hamburger was the greatest genius known to man or any other lifeform in the universe.

YES!!!

:thumbsup::D


Made even better with a good slice of cheese. ;) :p
 

tranceport

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Originally posted by: Legend
Probably not typical of early man. We didn't have a wide selection of different produce back then. It was survival.

However, I always have to supress myself from arguing when someone says that it's healthier, and then talks about how fast food is so unhealthy. As if all meat is that quality. High quality, free range/diet enhanced meat along with plenty of fruits, veggies, whole grains, nuts, fish, etc is the optimal diet, and much better than vegan.


Just for example, eating a bunch of soy products is not good for male hormones...



I asked my wife, who is vegan, if the bolded statement was true. She says no. Cholestrol.



 

kogase

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Originally posted by: tranceport
I asked my wife, who is vegan, if the bolded statement was true. She says no. Cholestrol.

That's like asking a Judeo-Christian if God exists.