Darkstar757
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Screw that, I'm a vegetarian and ride bicycles thousands of miles a year in addition to sitting comfortably in front of the computer. My better half and I (also vegetarian) backpacked through Europe for 5+ weeks on our vegetarian diet, with both she and I finishing-up in excellent condition. Etc, etc. Being extremely active and being a vegetarian is easy.
Edit: I even tried being vegan this year for "40 days", and my cycling & running form proceeded on pace for this part of the season. So let me say then that I believe being active and vegan is also easy (trying to stay on topic, haha).
Also, having been veggie for what, 10-12 years now, I obviously do not have a B12 deficiency. There goes that myth.
GasX
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i·ro·nyOriginally posted by: athithi
Mwilding:
Let me get this straight - IF you wanted to be an ass, you would have written a self-righteous post of indignant drivel like the one I quoted above, right? Come to think of it, why did you want to be an ass in the first place?Let me guess, you didn't realize that your response was self-righteous (proclaiming yourself to not be an ass, implying that others opposed to your view were) and indignance (calling me a wanker), right? Effectively, you just called yourself an ass.
The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.
Let me guess the brand of bike you used to ride around the neighborhood on when you were a kid... Huffy?
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: Fraggable
Originally posted by: athithi
Virtually every single post in this thread before mine is about how vegetarianism is bad and meat-eating is good and yet each one of you is comlaining that vegetarianism is being thrust down your throats
Now I'm a vegetarian :Q
Here's a thought: The Bible says exactly what we're supposed to eat in the NT: anything!! (except maybe others..) In the OT they weren't supposed to eat 'unclean' meat, but that's all changed now. There's nothing morally wrong with eating meat IMO.
Everyone I've met that's a vegetarian gives the same reason as athithi. It disgusts them. That's understandable to me, I mean if I were a cook or butcher I would probly be a vegetarian too. I have an aunt who's a veterinarian and she'll never eat meat again because of what she sees every day. I frequently consider not eating meat nearly as often just because it generally results in a healthier lifestyle.
Ahhh! You had to go and bring the bible into this now didn't you! This thread was doomed before, but it's sure to go to hell now!......j/k!
I agree with your butcher comment. Most of us meat eaters don't think twice because we go out and get a finished product that we did not have to hunt, kill, clean, and cook. I think if we did have to do that you'd see less meat eaters.
Heh - my vegan traveling companion said the same thing to me once - that I would be a vegetarian also if I had to kill and butcher my own meat. I told him that I have plenty of times - both livestock & hunting wild game. It's a family tradition. He then suggested that I might be a psychopath
dis·in·gen·u·ous Audio pronunciation of "disingenuous" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dsn-jny-s)
adj.
1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: ?an ambitious, disingenuous, philistine, and hypocritical operator, who... exemplified... the most disagreeable traits of his time? (David Cannadine).
2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.
3. Usage Problem. Unaware or uninformed; naive.
irony
2. a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: ?Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated? (Richard Kain).
2. b. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
followed by:
incongruous
then followed by:
comprehension
Ok, now I get a guess - you fell off your bike and bumped your head on the concrete sidewalk!
EDIT: I guess you are pretending that your statement (that I quoted) was ironic. It was, indeed - except, not in the way you imagined it to be. You were ironically calling yourself an ass, which believe it or not is a very silly thing to do (no matter how true it may be).
franksta
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It's probably unnatural. When I was younger I reasoned that if we weren't supposed to eat meat our teeth would be different. Now having said that, I can't bring myself to kill an animal and feel like a huge hypocrite when I eat meat so I've been meat free for about a month and a half now.
GasX
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You are implying that being incongruent, disingenuous and ironical were never my aims. You, sir, begain the hoity-toity-ness with your original post about the majority of the former posts being defensively offensive about vegans due to some hidden and repressed guilt complex. If you look at the posts prior to yours, there is only one that could be construed as such an attack. So, your tirade was based upon a fanciful and falacious theory of persecution against your kind. Thus, my post you was born - as a wanker is someone who gets his panties in a bunch over an issue that either doesn't exist or has been blown out of proportion.
Your subsequent posts have done little to change my opinion.
Just dig up that thread where the OP posted pics of the pan seared ribeye. How anyone can be a vegetarian is beyond me but to each their own.
Cow flesh FTW
Cow flesh FTW
she couldn't resist my stories involved with animals being killed. she told me to stop preaching about killing animals because she is a PETA activist. i told her i'm doing for our first amendment which means freedom of speech. and i also told her it's my own experiences. she refused to listen every time i talk about animals.
but now, we are off since december. thank god and i will not want to go back.
edit: she takes everything too seriously.
Being healthy and a vegetarian is possible.
However, Vegan is a completely different thing. You can't consume any animal products at all. A lot of male vegetarians use Whey protein to get complete proteins for stuff like body building. It's one of the few complete proteins with every amino acid that you need that isn't meat.
Vegans can't consume animal products. So I don't know how they would manage to get protein for body building. Soy is pro-estrogen, and bad for testosterone. The proteins in produce/grains typically need combinations to get complete proteins. Eating beans and rice all the time sounds like a good idea if you like taking 5 shits every day.
That's what cracks me up about everybody out there. My dad is a cynic, and so I grew up one as well. I take almost nothing seriously, usually not even myself, and I just find all these people who take their extremely petty beliefs so seriously funny, or sad. Or maybe both.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: athithi
Virtually every single post in this thread before mine is about how vegetarianism is bad and meat-eating is good and yet each one of you is comlaining that vegetarianism is being thrust down your throats
Haha, guilty. Nice. Do you feel guilty for being white? Male? American? Human at all? For driving a car? Making more than $15k a year? Should you? Neither do I, and I don't feel guilty for eating meat either. This is just a lame attempt to "fight back" against us meat-eaters by casting the problem on us.
I'm not complaining about militant veggies...I've met so few of them. What you fail to realize is that this is the internet, where people come across with more forceful opinions than they actually share in real life. So, a couple people come into this thread who've encountered militant vegans, and complain about it. Therefore, I suppose, making us all guilt-ridden shells of humans.
To me, the concept of cutting up an animal and gnawing on muscle, flesh, and tissue (who eats the other stuff?), after cooking them of course, is delicious and perfectly natural.
Jagec, do you understand the irony of a thread where meat-eaters complain about militant vegetarians while proclaiming how great meat-eating is and how stupid vegetarianism is? If you do not see the irony, that's ok too. That level of comprehension would be par for ATOT.
Of course I understand the irony, and I wouldn't have said anything if your post had just been about that...but instead, you claim that meat eaters are somehow "guilty" because of their diets, thus BECOMING the militant vegetarian, and no better than the meat eaters you deride.
I grew up vegetarian, and I have nothing against them...but if you're going to talk about it, don't make stuff up!
There must be a fortune to be made as a lion counselor, then.Originally posted by: Armitage
Heh - my vegan traveling companion said the same thing to me once - that I would be a vegetarian also if I had to kill and butcher my own meat. I told him that I have plenty of times - both livestock & hunting wild game. It's a family tradition. He then suggested that I might be a psychopath
It's that stupid idea that the person on the other side of the fence is "defective" that keeps these arguments alive. Meat eaters aren't a bunch of psychos, and veggies aren't a bunch of loonies. There's room in this world for more than ONE viewpoint!
Surely, you made it all the way through the last lines of my first post?
Meat-eaters that find a need to defend their diet by proclaiming that vegetarianism is unhealthy and stupid are indeed beset with some sort of guilt. Proactive finger-pointing typically originates from a need to validate an otherwise unsubstantiated belief. That is all I am accusing militant meat-eaters of doing - having doubts over their own diet and trying to justify it by finding greater fault in an alternative diet. I am not the one making up stuff here. I abhor meat-eating and yet am comfortable in my dietary habits to not claim meat-eating to be a symptom of stupidity.
preslove
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Originally posted by: jjones
ROFL
Perfect answer. :thumbsup:
Uhm, humans have been at the top of the food chain for a few thousand years. Most Biological Anthropologists think that pre-neanderthal's only scavenged meat. For most of human history the majority of the world's population has subsisted on staple grains, getting their protein from marginal sources, like eggs, and dairy products. This wasn't particularly healthy, but it was all agriculture could produce. Our meat centered diet only began with the agricultural revolution of the 18th and 19th centuries. Our diet is controlled by what society can produce, not what is "natural." We eat meat because it tastes good. It tastes good because it is fattening. Fat tastes good because back before agriculture fat kept you from starving to death in the lean times.
Schadenfreude
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When you type things like
You're missing the point of evolution.
/thread
or,
you're implying that evolution has a conscious intent or even some kind of tangible long-term goal.
You're missing the point of evolution.
/thread
That's my main point of contention. Guilt is NOT a factor in the majority of opinions.
For example, I hate people who drive SUVs as a status symbol, never using them to actually haul stuff or even carry more than one person. My feelings on this stem from its waste of resources, but more importantly, from the fact that many of them are only doing it because it's popular, not because they actually care one way or the other.
Do I feel guilty because I don't drive an SUV? Don't be absurd. That's the stupidest argument ever...but it's exactly what you're claiming.
The sad part is that your second sentence actually makes sense...people who really go to the extremes in defending their ideals often do so because it's not a cut-and-dry issue, and they don't have a sizable amount of objective proof to back them up. But where in the world does guilt factor into this?
I haven't read the entire thread....
It is possible to live without eating meat, obviously. However, most Vegans are deficient in some nutrients that are very difficult to replace without eating meat. On the flip side, most Vegans put more effort into eating healthy than your average American so they tend to be healthier, despite the deficiencies from lack of meat. Many people have many vitamin and nutrient deficiencies.
Like many things, it simply comes down to personal preference. I have no problems with Vegans or Vegetarians so long as they aren't trying to force me into their lifestyle. I like my chicken, turkey, and fish.
*eating a Chicken Teryaki sandwich from Subway while typing this*
It is possible to live without eating meat, obviously. However, most Vegans are deficient in some nutrients that are very difficult to replace without eating meat. On the flip side, most Vegans put more effort into eating healthy than your average American so they tend to be healthier, despite the deficiencies from lack of meat. Many people have many vitamin and nutrient deficiencies.
Like many things, it simply comes down to personal preference. I have no problems with Vegans or Vegetarians so long as they aren't trying to force me into their lifestyle. I like my chicken, turkey, and fish.
*eating a Chicken Teryaki sandwich from Subway while typing this*
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