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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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I am not sure that past experience on a monolithic CPU design with only 1 kind of core (which is my experience) is representative. My guess is that in the bios or even the scheduler in the processor for ARL, there may be much lower level control that could prohibit this trick from working.

FWIW, I have only used thread affinity to assign a single core to a high priority task (I/O) for a manufacturing test system. I have never attempted to isolate to a single core for a single thread before. Have you? If so, on what CPU?
I have a Meteor Lake Cpu manually assigning games on P cores and apparently it didn't made much difference vs Regular scheduling
 

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The 285K is always sold out at MC and Amazon. Is the volume extremely or are people buying these parts in significant numbers?
 

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So less then 500 huh? Interesting. Please substantiate or is this just opinion?

Yes: 265k sales on Amazon for the month were 500, and it is in stock (and has been, for weeks). Has ranking on Amazon. 285k - I haven't seen it in stock in last ~3 weeks, and it does not even have a sales rank.

Edit: Looks like 285k just showed up today, for the first time I am seeing it (from a scalper) and is shown as 2nd from the bottom in "Best Sellers"

 
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Yes: 265k sales on Amazon for the month were 500, and it is in stock (and has been, for weeks). Has ranking on Amazon. 285k - I haven't seen it in stock in last ~3 weeks, and it does not even have a sales rank.

Edit: Looks like 285k just showed up today, for the first time I am seeing it (from a scalper) and is shown as 2nd from the bottom in "Best Sellers"

But no numbers for the 285K? It is possible that people out to get Arrow Lake are more the enthusiast type that are looking for the top of the stack? I don't know, just wondering. I mean you're saying they haven't even sent out a tray (1000) of these CPU's, right? That seems ridiculously low.
 

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But no numbers for the 285K? It is possible that people out to get Arrow Lake are more the enthusiast type that are looking for the top of the stack? I don't know, just wondering. I mean you're saying they haven't even sent out a tray (1000) of these CPU's, right? That seems ridiculously low.

To put the unit sold in context the top 5 CPUs sold:
10k
10k
10k
10k
8k

This month includes Black Friday and Christmas shopping, and numbers are higher than a typical month. Typical month is 1/3 to 1/2 of these numbers.

The CPUs are (almost all) Boxed, Retail CPUs. I am not sure what quantities are in a typical box of these processors are shipped it, but I would say somewhere between 40 to 100 units per shipping box. That's what my guess is what Micro Center gets as shipment to retail stores, and updates its stock to "25+". I doubt Amazon gets these in much bigger boxes. Maybe just number of these boxes on a pallet.

I don't think there is any evidence pointing to anything higher than trivial number of 285k processors sold. Likely a fraction of 265k sales of 500 units.

Looking at number of units sold by CPU ranked 1 above 285k, and it was 100 units. CPU ranked 2 above 285k was 200 units.
 

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There are many rumors on X suggesting that the newly released Battlemage graphics card is sold out almost everywhere. This marks the first time Intel has had a decent dGPU launch.
That is a better product than ARL it is sold out due to demand whily 285K is sold out due to low stock
 

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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...s-dispel-rumors-regarding-poor-silicon-health

Intel Panther Lake samples with flagship 18A node have been powered on at eight customers — Co-CEOs dispel rumors regarding poor silicon health​


"powered on" is like the soooooper bare minimum and intel speech for "hey our chip does not explode guys". Just look at the timespan between powered on and mass production of meteor lake for instance. Meteor lake was "powered on" in april 2022 and came out in december 2023. So no intel I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!
 

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"powered on" is like the soooooper bare minimum and intel speech for "hey our chip does not explode guys". Just look at the timespan between powered on and mass production of meteor lake for instance. Meteor lake was "powered on" in april 2022 and came out in december 2023. So no intel I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!
Lunar lake took approx 1 year from power on to availability 2 Steppings
Meteor lake took 1.5-2 years with 3 steppings
Upto you which data point to take
Both of them were with Node Delays N3B was 6 month delayed and Intel 7nm(Intel 4) was delayed for a couple of years

BTW How did TSMC managed to get 6 month delay due to Intel ?🤣🤣
 
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Lunar lake took approx 1 year from power on to availability 2 Steppings
Meteor lake took 1.5-2 years with 3 steppings
And that was just Intel design problems, not the manufacturing process that they used (at least for compute), where as here the farm was bet on A18, unless they got Plan B to switch it to TSMC.