If 9/11 2.0 happens, would you say Torture is ok?

[theflyingpig]

Torture is always ok. Just don't get caught. Everyone knows this.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Inspired by all the Torture threads....

I'm wondering if all the people saying Torture is wrong, would still think that if say Terroritsts attacked and killed 10,000 Americans?

I'm not saying Torture is right or wrong, just a necessary evil when you are dealing with people who'd rather die than let you live.

If terrorists want to die so much, why would they give up information from torture?

Entertainment value?

Entertainment value is watching the likes of you squirm like a worm on a fish hook.

Squirm away, just know that no one ever takes you seriously, well except Duwelon, winnar and the Klu Klux Klan.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Mackie2k

Topic Title: If 9/11 2.0 happens, would you say Torture is ok?

NO! As soon as we do, we've lost.

If we don't prosecute the criminals who ordered the last time, we've lost.

If you don't already know that, YOU are already a lost cause.

Any other dumbass questions?

I have no problems using torture on people that want to harm Americans but I don't consider water boarding torture.

 

[jpeyton]

If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

Our incompetence lies in the fact that we consider waterboarding torture.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Mackie2k

Topic Title: If 9/11 2.0 happens, would you say Torture is ok?

NO! As soon as we do, we've lost.

If we don't prosecute the criminals who ordered the last time, we've lost.

If you don't already know that, YOU are already a lost cause.

Any other dumbass questions?

I have no problems using torture on people that want to harm Americans but I don't consider water boarding torture.

The problem is that out the original 1150+ 93 has died without proper medical reporting, the overwhelming majority have been released without charges and the rest are held without being charged because they know that charges would bring up the legality of the compounds.

USSR and the US are not so far from eachother as you might think when it comes to this, the tactics are EXACTLY the same, if we call it work, it's not torture, if we pretend that they are guilty without even being charged, idiots like Budmantom will swallow the Government propaganda, line sink and hook.

Truth is that it's a concentration camp where people have been killed without reprecussions and tortured daily and then let go, not to mention the overwhelming majority who were there because their neighbour turned them in so they could take the land, all of which (except for the dead ones) have been released.

Calling Don Vito who's posts on this should be stickied, he's in the business, see.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

Our incompetence lies in the fact that we consider waterboarding torture.

I thought our incompetence lies in the fact that we screen for shampoo and perfume in airports as an effective security measure.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

Our incompetence lies in the fact that we consider waterboarding torture.

I thought our incompetence lies in the fact that we screen for shampoo and perfume in airports as an effective security measure.

That too.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Inspired by all the Torture threads....

I'm wondering if all the people saying Torture is wrong, would still think that if say Terroritsts attacked and killed 10,000 Americans?

I'm not saying Torture is right or wrong, just a necessary evil when you are dealing with people who'd rather die than let you live.

No. Torture is always wrong. I don't care what logical gymnastics you perform.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

Our incompetence lies in the fact that we consider waterboarding torture.

If you're going to be ironic, please be more specific, this was too general.

No sane human being believes that it's not torture, it causes physical pain.

You can try it in your own home, you won't last 10 seconds and i'm willing to make a bet on that.

Of course, it depends, are you going to do it like the Egyptians where some prisoners were secretly sent to, including American Citizens or are you going to do it the lame way?

I know you, don't i, you're Khalids man, aren't you?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Torture is always ok. Just don't get caught. Everyone knows this.

The 100th time you have posted the exact same nonsense, it seems like, and I can't recally you saying much of anything but the one same nonsensical statement.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If torture didn't stop 9/11 1.0 and 2.0, maybe we need to examine our own incompetence.

Our incompetence lies in the fact that we consider waterboarding torture.

I thought our incompetence lies in the fact that we screen for shampoo and perfume in airports as an effective security measure.

There is a reason for that, TATP (and no i won't give you the exact formula) is harmless when unmixed, but when you mix the two fluids, a shake of the bottle will blow a plane in half.

Don't look this up and blow yourself up with it, it's extremely volatile, not as volatile as nitric iodine but it's not far from it.

The TATP thing has already been caught once in a two piece shampoo bottle i believe.

Some things need only a couple of grams to cause severe damage and if you have 40+ grams, bye bye bluebird.

 

[Budmantom]

JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

Not yet.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

That's what happens when you try and engage that dried-out husk you call a brain.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Budmantom
JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

Not yet.

Ouch... stop you are hurting me.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Torture is always ok. Just don't get caught. Everyone knows this.

The 100th time you have posted the exact same nonsense, it seems like, and I can't recally you saying much of anything but the one same nonsensical statement.

I don't care. You are an arrogant fool who quotes himself in his own sig. You are pathetic.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Budmantom
JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

Not yet.

Ouch... stop you are hurting me.

Quit being a pussy. It's just a little waterboarding...

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Inspired by all the Torture threads....

I'm wondering if all the people saying Torture is wrong, would still think that if say Terroritsts attacked and killed 10,000 Americans?

I'm not saying Torture is right or wrong, just a necessary evil when you are dealing with people who'd rather die than let you live.

If we want to turn into our enemy, to behave like our enemy then i wouldn't fight for either side but combat both.

I'm willing to bet you that if you ask ANYONE here or anywhere else what drives you they will all reply the same.

It's because we are right and the enemy is wrong, now how the FUCK would you distinguish between right and wrong if we behave the same way?

I wouldn't have a problem killing every last one of the torturers on either side just because i would know i was right and they were wrong.

Without that, what the fuck would i be fighting for?

We fought for the right to live peacefully without building blowing up around us, sound simple enough for you?

YOU did?

No, son, little child of enormous advantages, what you did was born in the country you were born in where people before you have used torture, slavery and blowing up civilians as a means to an end.

All while wiping out the majority of the populace that was there.

Right now i'm in Afghanistan, tell me why i should fight the Taliban if we're going to act like they do? (well not that bad, considering what they do the Nazis gas showers were luxury).

HOW do you discern who are your enemy, lemme guess, it's all that are not exactly like you, right?

Are you fucked up in your mind on your own or were you abused as a child?

Give me a break on this right and wrong crap. You are telling me as a soldier, you are not gonna torture your enemy when that can give you valuable info which can save yours and your comrade's life? And you are not gonna do it when it can mean the difference between winning the war and losing the war? And as a soldier, you should know intel is one of the key factor in winning the war, and you are telling me you would rather be a nice guy then getting all the intel you can get?

Torture happens in any freaking war, people do it not because they are sadistic, but they do it to gain an upper hand to win the war. Yeah this war on terror is very different from the convention war, but it doesn't mean torture is not applicable or is wrong here. The problem is, like other aspect of a unconventional warfare, is that it's tougher to clearly identify the enemy. But that doesn't mean torture is wrong, it only mean people responsible for capturing and bring enemy combatant in for questioning need to do a better job to ensure they get the right person.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Give me a break on this right and wrong crap. You are telling me as a soldier, you are not gonna torture your enemy when that can give you valuable info which can save yours and your comrade's life? And you are not gonna do it when it can mean the difference between winning the war and losing the war? And as a soldier, you should know intel is one of the key factor in winning the war, and you are telling me you would rather be a nice guy then getting all the intel you can get?

Torture happens in any freaking war, people do it not because they are sadistic, but they do it to gain an upper hand to win the war. Yeah this war on terror is very different from the convention war, but it doesn't mean torture is not applicable or is wrong here. The problem is, like other aspect of a unconventional warfare, is that it's tougher to clearly identify the enemy. But that doesn't mean torture is wrong, it only mean people responsible for capturing and bring enemy combatant in for questioning need to do a better job to ensure they get the right person.

I've been saying this for years. In war, the enemy must know pain, suffering, and death. In that order. To win wars we must cast aside civility, and turn ourselves into killers, because that is the object of war. To slaughter the enemy. Why do you think Japan surrendered in WW2? It's because they were slaughtered by the thousands. The saw the imminent destruction of their entire culture. They were about to be erased from this earth. They were given the choice of life or death. They chose wisely. All of our enemies must be given this choice. They must come face to face with the destruction of everything they love. They must understand they have no chance of victory. Everyone knows this.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Inspired by all the Torture threads....

I'm wondering if all the people saying Torture is wrong, would still think that if say Terroritsts attacked and killed 10,000 Americans?

I'm not saying Torture is right or wrong, just a necessary evil when you are dealing with people who'd rather die than let you live.

If we want to turn into our enemy, to behave like our enemy then i wouldn't fight for either side but combat both.

I'm willing to bet you that if you ask ANYONE here or anywhere else what drives you they will all reply the same.

It's because we are right and the enemy is wrong, now how the FUCK would you distinguish between right and wrong if we behave the same way?

I wouldn't have a problem killing every last one of the torturers on either side just because i would know i was right and they were wrong.

Without that, what the fuck would i be fighting for?

We fought for the right to live peacefully without building blowing up around us, sound simple enough for you?

YOU did?

No, son, little child of enormous advantages, what you did was born in the country you were born in where people before you have used torture, slavery and blowing up civilians as a means to an end.

All while wiping out the majority of the populace that was there.

Right now i'm in Afghanistan, tell me why i should fight the Taliban if we're going to act like they do? (well not that bad, considering what they do the Nazis gas showers were luxury).

HOW do you discern who are your enemy, lemme guess, it's all that are not exactly like you, right?

Are you fucked up in your mind on your own or were you abused as a child?

Give me a break on this right and wrong crap. You are telling me as a soldier, you are not gonna torture your enemy when that can give you valuable info which can save yours and your comrade's life? And you are not gonna do it when it can mean the difference between winning the war and losing the war? And as a soldier, you should know intel is one of the key factor in winning the war, and you are telling me you would rather be a nice guy then getting all the intel you can get?

Torture happens in any freaking war, people do it not because they are sadistic, but they do it to gain an upper hand to win the war. Yeah this war on terror is very different from the convention war, but it doesn't mean torture is not applicable or is wrong here. The problem is, like other aspect of a unconventional warfare, is that it's tougher to clearly identify the enemy. But that doesn't mean torture is wrong, it only mean people responsible for capturing and bring enemy combatant in for questioning need to do a better job to ensure they get the right person.

This much is clear to me, you have never EVER even BEEN in a threatening situation.

I stand by my word, you may not like it but if i give up that, then what good am i?

In a war, torture will happen and the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF IT is because of sadistic people, don't believe me? Ask the Nazi guards who were convicted of it or the American guards that were convicted of it.

We get our intel on the ground, we have singlehandedly destroyed over 60 camps, the lame arsed twats who used torture have destroyed what? ZERO, you tell me if i'm wrong when i say that infiltration and special forces are better for this job that sadistic twats, because you don't torture anyone without being a sadist PERIOD.

Riddle me that you stupid piece of shit.

"intel" BULLSHEIT! The only intel we have ever gotten has been false, do you think it's strange that MI6 and CIA got this information from "unknown sources" that later proved to be false, come the FUCK on, even a retard like you can add two and two together. How about the Fallujah camp? You know the one that did not exist?

I THINK i know this shit better than you ever will in your pathetic little life of greyscales, in my life it's black or white, it's wrong or it's right, anyone who ever tries to climb in between is just fooling himself.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: rchiu

Give me a break on this right and wrong crap. You are telling me as a soldier, you are not gonna torture your enemy when that can give you valuable info which can save yours and your comrade's life? And you are not gonna do it when it can mean the difference between winning the war and losing the war? And as a soldier, you should know intel is one of the key factor in winning the war, and you are telling me you would rather be a nice guy then getting all the intel you can get?

Torture happens in any freaking war, people do it not because they are sadistic, but they do it to gain an upper hand to win the war. Yeah this war on terror is very different from the convention war, but it doesn't mean torture is not applicable or is wrong here. The problem is, like other aspect of a unconventional warfare, is that it's tougher to clearly identify the enemy. But that doesn't mean torture is wrong, it only mean people responsible for capturing and bring enemy combatant in for questioning need to do a better job to ensure they get the right person.

I've been saying this for years. In war, the enemy must know pain, suffering, and death. In that order. To win wars we must cast aside civility, and turn ourselves into killers, because that is the object of war. To slaughter the enemy. Why do you think Japan surrendered in WW2? It's because they were slaughtered by the thousands. The saw the imminent destruction of their entire culture. They were about to be erased from this earth. They were given the choice of life or death. They chose wisely. All of our enemies must be given this choice. They must come face to face with the destruction of everything they love. They must understand they have no chance of victory. Everyone knows this.

This is misguided. The people who've made the decision to go to war aren't even in the battle. They are the ones who should be made to suffer. How are you going to inflict physical pain on them? By killing or torturing some soldiers - who will just be replaced?

I can't really disagree about japan in ww2 though. They were crazed with their belief that the emperor was god. Religion, once again, playing a fine role in the ongoing massacre of humans. Supposedly, we warned them we were going to wipe out a city and they didn't budge. There didn't seem to be any ambiguity like there is today in our conflicts.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Budmantom
JohnOfSheffield you are causing me physical pain.

Not yet.

Ouch... stop you are hurting me.

Eventually, you will get hurt, the time or the place isn't something i know of, but i know you will get hurt.

You see, eventually you'll have to fend for yourself in real life and that isn't something twats like you can do.

Eventually you will realise that if we take it to torture, we have justified our enemy. It's too late to turn back time now, why do you think 1100 Talibans have become well over 30K or Al Quaida supporters have gained to hundreds of thousands worldwide?

If you feed your enemy, it will grow.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

This is misguided. The people who've made the decision to go to war aren't even in the battle. They are the ones who should be made to suffer. How are you going to inflict physical pain on them? By killing or torturing some soldiers - who will just be replaced?

I can't really disagree about japan in ww2 though. They were crazed with their belief that the emperor was god. Religion, once again, playing a fine role in the ongoing massacre of humans. Supposedly, we warned them we were going to wipe out a city and they didn't budge. There didn't seem to be any ambiguity like there is today in our conflicts.

It's not misguided when you think about it. You just haven't cast aside your civility yet. You see, the war must be brought to the civilian population. Soldiers dying in war is expected. Most people can stomach this. It is when the civilian population is tortured and slaughtered that true progress is made. By taking the war to the civilians, you essentially break the enemies will to fight. When the mothers and fathers of the soldiers are being slaughtered, they will lose their minds with rage, and will become less effective fighters. Those who made the decision to go to war will be hated by the civilian population. This is a winning strategy. It is a pity that the US and the West cannot stomach it. Our enemies can. They just lack the military strength to follow through. They have the will to defeat us, but not the means. Everyone knows this.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: seemingly random

This is misguided. The people who've made the decision to go to war aren't even in the battle. They are the ones who should be made to suffer. How are you going to inflict physical pain on them? By killing or torturing some soldiers - who will just be replaced?

I can't really disagree about japan in ww2 though. They were crazed with their belief that the emperor was god. Religion, once again, playing a fine role in the ongoing massacre of humans. Supposedly, we warned them we were going to wipe out a city and they didn't budge. There didn't seem to be any ambiguity like there is today in our conflicts.

It's not misguided when you think about it. You just haven't cast aside your civility yet. You see, the war must be brought to the civilian population. Soldiers dying in war is expected. Most people can stomach this. It is when the civilian population is tortured and slaughtered that true progress is made. By taking the war to the civilians, you essentially break the enemies will to fight. When the mothers and fathers of the soldiers are being slaughtered, they will lose their minds with rage, and will become less effective fighters. Those who made the decision to go to war will be hated by the civilian population. This is a winning strategy. It is a pity that the US and the West cannot stomach it. Our enemies can. They just lack the military strength to follow through. They have the will to defeat us, but not the means. Everyone knows this.

Fine sentiments but I don't think this is the way it's worked throughout history. Most people are cowed by their leaders. Just look at how the herd reacted in the u.s. 2001 - 2005.

Not everyone knows this - or anything else you or I say.