If 9/11 2.0 happens, would you say Torture is ok?

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Especially when it happens to US soldiers.

It is interesting that you bring this up. I know you are trying to incite anger in the person you replied to by suggesting this, however, a smarter person (such as myself) can see the good in this situation. You see, by torturing a US soldier, a nation (or group) further demonizes itself. This will allow us to commit more atrocities against them with less public backlash. Sure some fools will protest, but they will largely be ignored. Hate is a strong motivator in war, and the more the public hates the enemy, the better it is for the war effort. Everyone knows this.

Everyone knows that you are trying to incite people. Unfortunately, nobody knows precisely what you're trying to incite. You have an inscrutable agenda. Words and phrases just keep dribbling out and falling onto the floor baffling people. It's kind of weird to get your kicks doing this.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Everyone knows that you are trying to incite people. Unfortunately, nobody knows precisely what you're trying to incite. You have an inscrutable agenda. Words and phrases just keep dribbling out and falling onto the floor baffling people. It's kind of weird to get your kicks doing this.

I simply state facts and add my opinion on them. What people do with that is their buisness.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I say its ok regardless.

I used to travel with the 31's, in the outward fields.

84-8 and the travel got further and we were trapped between two groups of over 250 men total, we were 12.

You know what kept us a live? We were certain that they were wrong and we were right.

Well that and an air strike.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Argh, double post

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
My experience and education trumps your book reading. I have seen your posts and I can easily tell that you have no ability to think on your own. You simply regurgitate what you read, and you offer nothing of your own. In other words, you are a fool, and not just any fool, you are a fool who thinks he is not. A person such as yourself has no buisness making comments on war strategies.

Please fix you quotes in your quote above...I don't want anyone to think I am saying the BS that you are spouting.

Well, I guess we will all have to defer to your vast expertise in international relations and military strategy, then? I mean really, you just said you basically know everything, so that must be true, since this in the internet,right? Wrong.

You can't even post a coherent argument, let alone present evidence to prove it. So you are either a troll or a 12-year old (perhaps both). Anyway, I am done with this. You keep on with your fantasies, I sure you will enjoy them.[/quote]

 

[jonks]

Hey, another "wussy lefty liberal" religious right wing conservative (see how that makes no sense?) against torture.

http://religionblog.dallasnews...of-sbc-no-room-fo.html

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Especially when it happens to US soldiers.

It is interesting that you bring this up. I know you are trying to incite anger in the person you replied to by suggesting this, however, a smarter person (such as myself) can see the good in this situation. You see, by torturing a US soldier, a nation (or group) further demonizes itself. This will allow us to commit more atrocities against them with less public backlash. Sure some fools will protest, but they will largely be ignored. Hate is a strong motivator in war, and the more the public hates the enemy, the better it is for the war effort. Everyone knows this.

Hows aspergers treating you?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Inspired by all the Torture threads....

I'm wondering if all the people saying Torture is wrong, would still think that if say Terroritsts attacked and killed 10,000 Americans?

I'm not saying Torture is right or wrong, just a necessary evil when you are dealing with people who'd rather die than let you live.

What's to stop the government from torturing you if they think you cheated on your taxes?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I say its ok regardless.

Especially when it happens to US soldiers.

Im not a soldier, but nice try.

Torture is a fact of war. It can happen on both sides, and has its place.

 

[Carmen813]

Jesus was a terrorist, that's why the Jews tortured him. Am I right?!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Torture is a fact of war. It can happen on both sides, and has its place.

The Constitution of the United States of America places American armed forces under civilian control. The laws of the United States of America are explicit that torture is illegal.

Torture is a fact of war ONLY if those in command allow it. If they do, they violate the laws the laws of the nation they are sworn to defend.

Torture has NO place in the United States of America. The only way torture committed by American troops will remain a "fact of war" is if shit for brains assholes are willing to ignore or condone it when it happens.

If that's who you are and what you believe, you will contribute to cleaning up the environment if you FOAD!

 

[Ackmed]

Its been happening for generations. Its simply ignorant to believe its stopped now. It has its uses, when done properly.

Funny how you say that from behind a pc screen. Internet tuff guys crack me up. And when someone speaks of what needs to be done in war, having done no more than sat on the couch.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Its been happening for generations.

Which is NOT an excuse to allow it to continue.

Its simply ignorant to believe its stopped now.

If you believe that, you are a fucking immoral, inhuman POS.

It has its uses, when done properly.

if you believe that, please volunteer to BE that time and place, and leave the rest of the world to real human beings.

Funny how you say that from behind a pc screen. Internet tuff guys crack me up. Mod or not, you're a tool.

I can be found if it means enough to you. Tell me you're coming, and you'll find one peace loving lib who's willing to celebrate the second amendment when circumstances demand it... ASSHOLE! :|

 

[anandmark]

The evidence is that 9/11 was an inside job.The mainstream media will not explain this to you.It requires that you look into it.If you don't want to take the time to go through all the material,as there is a lot of it,a painless way to find out about this is to go to youtube or google video and watch the numerous documentaries.

Maybe the best place to start is
"9/11:Blueprint for Truth" by Richard Gage.He is a member of the American Institute of Architects and gives a presentation to fellow architects and engineers and over 90% end up
agreeing with him that the planes could not have taken down the towers.

Physicist Stephen Jones has analyzed previously molten metal from the debris and
concluded that thermate was used to cut through the structure.

Consider the (basic) physics of the towers falling: they went straight down at freefall
speed(or very close to it).The only way this is possible is if all the resistance is removed.
What removed the resistance ? The structures were perfectly intact below the impact areas.

Also building 7 went down later in day.It was a steel structure that went straight down at freefall speed.It was not hit by plane.Checkout the videos of it going down.

I challenge all of you to take a look at this info and post your thoughts.Thanks for reading.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: anandmark
The evidence is that 9/11 was an inside job.The mainstream media will not explain this to you.It requires that you look into it.If you don't want to take the time to go through all the material,as there is a lot of it,a painless way to find out about this is to go to youtube or google video and watch the numerous documentaries.

Maybe the best place to start is
"9/11:Blueprint for Truth" by Richard Gage.He is a member of the American Institute of Architects and gives a presentation to fellow architects and engineers and over 90% end up
agreeing with him that the planes could not have taken down the towers.

Physicist Stephen Jones has analyzed previously molten metal from the debris and
concluded that thermate was used to cut through the structure.

Consider the (basic) physics of the towers falling: they went straight down at freefall
speed(or very close to it).The only way this is possible is if all the resistance is removed.
What removed the resistance ? The structures were perfectly intact below the impact areas.

Also building 7 went down later in day.It was a steel structure that went straight down at freefall speed.It was not hit by plane.Checkout the videos of it going down.

I challenge all of you to take a look at this info and post your thoughts.Thanks for reading.

Your tin foil hat is on too tight. Or is it too loose? I forget. Whatever way it is, it isn't just right.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: anandmark
-oh my fucking god, the end is near-

Are you a droid?

butter?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: anandmark

The evidence is that 9/11 was an inside job.

Sheesh!!! Not another 9-11 "inside job" conspiracy wingnut. Your "evidence" and a dollar bill aren't worth the price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store, even a roll of aluminum foil to make more beanies. :laugh:

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Its been happening for generations.

Which is NOT an excuse to allow it to continue.

Its simply ignorant to believe its stopped now.

If you believe that, you are a fucking immoral, inhuman POS.

It has its uses, when done properly.

if you believe that, please volunteer to BE that time and place, and leave the rest of the world to real human beings.

Funny how you say that from behind a pc screen. Internet tuff guys crack me up. Mod or not, you're a tool.

I can be found if it means enough to you. Tell me you're coming, and you'll find one peace loving lib who's willing to celebrate the second amendment when circumstances demand it... ASSHOLE! :|

Heh, I am sure somewhere in the consititution/law also says killing is illegal. Why don't you forbid your soldiers to fire at your enemy during a war? Wait, what's that you said, if you don't kill them they will kill you? Well, what about if you don't torture and try to get info out of your enemy your people will die too? Sorry dude, if my family's life, my life and my country's survival is at state, I rather have a fucking immoral inhuman POS to run the war for me rather then some sissy liberal who cannot even point their gun at their enemy. War is a nasty business, you either do your very best not to start one, or if you have one on your hand, it's all or nothing.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Heh, I am sure somewhere in the consititution/law also says killing is illegal. Why don't you forbid your soldiers to fire at your enemy during a war?

Because it's war, you stupid POS.

Sorry dude, if my family's life, my life and my country's survival is at state, I rather have a fucking immoral inhuman POS to run the war for me rather then some sissy liberal who cannot even point their gun at their enemy. War is a nasty business, you either do your very best not to start one, or if you have one on your hand, it's all or nothing.

That's fine. As soon as you start, we can round up all of you subhuman dogshit torturers and shove you in some secure facility while we take care of the business at hand.

We'll be far better off without you. We know what to expect from a bunch of murdering assholes charging from the front. What's worse and far more dangerous is having a bunch of lunatic murdering of assholes at your back wearing the same uniform.

If you're an American, you're a disgrace to the nation. If you're not, please keep it that way... ASSHOLE! :|

 

[bamacre]

Very sad that we sit here and debate whether or not torture is legal, or should or shouldn't be, instead of debating our foreign policy which put us in this mess in the first place. Again, we always resort to fighting symptoms rather than the disease.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rchiu

Heh, I am sure somewhere in the consititution/law also says killing is illegal. Why don't you forbid your soldiers to fire at your enemy during a war?

Because it's war, you stupid POS.

Sorry dude, if my family's life, my life and my country's survival is at state, I rather have a fucking immoral inhuman POS to run the war for me rather then some sissy liberal who cannot even point their gun at their enemy. War is a nasty business, you either do your very best not to start one, or if you have one on your hand, it's all or nothing.

That's fine. As soon as you start, we can round up all of you subhuman dogshit torturers and shove you in some secure facility while we take care of the business at hand.

We'll be far better off without you. We know what to expect from a bunch of murdering assholes charging from the front. What's worse and far more dangerous is having a bunch of lunatic murdering of assholes at your back wearing the same uniform.

If you're an American, you're a disgrace to the nation. If you're not, please keep it that way... ASSHOLE! :|

So it's okay for you to shoot and kill hundreds of thousands enemy with bullets, but it's not when you capture a senior enemy official, do everything including torture to get valuable info, execute a precise attack to finish enemy off with those info and shorten the war, saving life from both side? Oh so you don't wanna do it because it's dirty and not honorable, while only shooting your enemy in the field is? If that's the definition of being honorable, I would rather be an asshole that saves life and defend the country then some guy who only worry about his good name.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Very sad that we sit here and debate whether or not torture is legal, or should or shouldn't be, instead of debating our foreign policy which put us in this mess in the first place. Again, we always resort to fighting symptoms rather than the disease.

At least we're consistent.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: rchiu

I would rather be an asshole...

Looks like you've granted your own wish. You're living proof that it's useless to discuss basic issues of humanity with an intellectual turd or a moral midget.

FOAD, ASSHOLE!!! :|

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rchiu

I would rather be an asshole...

Looks like you've granted your own wish. You're living proof that it's useless to discuss basic issues of humanity with an intellectual turd or a moral midget.

FOAD, ASSHOLE!!! :|

Like I said, call me names like I give a damn. Bold it, upper case it, do whatever you wish. But by thinking you can win the war with al-qaeda who killed 3000+ innocent people in one day with humanity, you really showed your intellectual superiority.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rchiu

I would rather be an asshole...

Looks like you've granted your own wish. You're living proof that it's useless to discuss basic issues of humanity with an intellectual turd or a moral midget.

FOAD, ASSHOLE!!! :|

Like I said, call me names like I give a damn. Bold it, upper case it, do whatever you wish. But by thinking you can win the war with al-qaeda who killed 3000+ innocent people in one day with humanity, you really showed your intellectual superiority.

OK. Go for it. But when you're arrested for war crimes and whatever U.S. statutes you violate, I'll be proud to be the first to come forward to testify against you at your trial, and exhibit A will be your own jackass criminal statements in this thread.

EAT SHIT, FUCK OFF AND DIE, TRAITOR!